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[Chiefsonny]

Just finished NWN OC.
I have the Diamond Edition which includes as you know
Shadows of Undrentide
Hordes of the Underdark
Kingmaker
ShadowGuard
Witches Wake.
Questions:
Is there any order I should play these in?
Are they all worth playing?
In the Diamond Edition are they all patched to the latest patch?
Can I bring my Fighter from the OC over to these addons?
Thanks in advance

PS Looking forward to playing NWN 2, heard some where it was a little better than 1.

[Tyndrel]

Hi Chiefsonny, SoU will need a new character but then you can take either character on into HotU. I wasn't too impressed with the others, at least one of them isn't finished, but the beauty of this game is that someone else will think they are wonderful. Get yourself over to NWVault where you will find over 1000 solo modules to drop into your module folder, then try the multi player (NwN's jewel in the crown) making this the best value game in the history of games!!!



As for your unrepeatable last sentence, go wash your mouth out with soap sir!

[Xenovant]

You should patch your game to the latest version (1.69), it should fix some errors in SOU and HOTU.



Order? SOU and HOTU after. The premium mods haven't any connection to the other modules.



Worth? SOU and HOTU... yes. I like Witch Wake, but it's unfinished >_< Kingmaker and Shadowguard... I don't like them.



As for playing NWN2... if you want a game with better graphics, go ahead, if you are looking for a better game, stay in NWN1

[Chiefsonny]

"As for your unrepeatable last sentence, go wash your mouth out with soap sir! "

Sorry

Since it's my first time with the NWN series, I know very little about 2. I remember reading that somewhere. Amazon I think?

I have NWN 2 and MotB expansion pack unopened sitting on my desk. Also my wife brought me DragonAge Origins for my birthday (this Sat) so I have it staring at me to. Was trying to decided which one to play first after I finish up with the NWN expansions.

Since I got NWN2 last year, was going to get that one out of the way.

By the way, I used Dove soap. Had a better taste.

[olivier leroux]

The NWN vs. NWN2 thing... It's been heatedly discussed many times before and it's a Pandora's box best left shut. The answer naturally will depend on whether you ask in the NWN community or the NWN2 community. In the end it's just a matter of opinion, both games have their merits and flaws. NWN2 did some things better but sadly also a few things worse.

One opinion that's a little less controversial and more widely accepted even among NWN community members is that NWN2 has the better Single Player campaign compared to NWN's OC and henchmen/party members are handled in a more interesting way, a bit similar to Baldur's Gate 2 (as for NWN's Add-Ons though, HotU is a great campaign, too).

If you just stick to officially released Single Player content, who knows, there's a chance you might like NWN2 better. But you haven't really played NWN unless you've taken a look at the best free custom campaigns or Multiplayer.

Modifié par olivier leroux, 25 novembre 2010 - 03:16 .

[olivier leroux]

* Double post deleted, curse these uncomfortable forum mechanics! *

Modifié par olivier leroux, 25 novembre 2010 - 03:13 .

[Vansen Elamber]

The thing about NWN2 that I can not say about NWN is the fact that I completed the OC in NWN2 two times and never have I finished the OC in NWN. Also the expansion Mask of the Betrayer, for me, was one of the my all time best RPG's I absolutely LOVED it!



I guess I could also say that I absolutely loved HOTU as well as I am playing it again right now...

[jmlzemaggo]

Chiefsonny wrote...
Also my wife brought me DragonAge Origins for my birthday...

Funny. So did mine.
Then I found out she was having an affair... 

[Trentoster]

HotU was when we finally got our heads together on how to make good NWN content. I still feel guilty about the original NWN campaign. We had some good ideas, we just didn't finish the technology in time to really do a good job on them.

Sadly, I've never even played NWN2. I'd have to say after seven years working on NWN I just couldn't look at another interpretation of our concept.

[Muric]

@Xenovant
technically  kingmaker, witches wake and shadowguard were all unfinished, as they all just suddenly cut-off before any resolution comes. Kingmaker was the only one that had something resembling and end to it.   
@Chiefsonny
i agree with Xenovant, NWN 2 is graphically better..beyond that it's only improvement was the ability to take control of your henchmen.
   NWN 2's OC is utterly boring, by comparison to NWN 1. I hear Mask of the Betrayer was better though.  From what i've read, in order to get the "good ending" in NWN 2's OC you have to romance someone less then . . .tolerable.  i've only gotten a little less then half way done with the campaign before quitting. a ton of the mages spells are exactly the same every level, which sucks.  In order to actually romance Elanee, you'd have to leave every other henchmen in Neverwinter, or they'll just leave you without backup, basically they all hate her that much.  the evil aligned ranger( i forget his name, bishop was it?) i don't know how to really get that romance going . . .nor at this point do i care to.  after getting updates it corrupted the original save, and i've just gotten horribly bored with it shortly after getting to neverwinter from the swamps.
basically for me to finish NWN 2..obsidian would have to pay me $50, and then sit here with a gun to my head to make sure i didn't just take the money and skip out on them.

[jmlzemaggo]

Trentoster wrote...

HotU was when we finally got our heads together on how to make good NWN content. I still feel guilty about the original NWN campaign. We had some good ideas, we just didn't finish the technology in time to really do a good job on them.
Sadly, I've never even played NWN2. I'd have to say after seven years working on NWN I just couldn't look at another interpretation of our concept.

Hey! You're one of those ? I wanted to thank you.
You didn't make it as perfect as you wished? That's surprising for a human being!
Failure is the only full success available.
Good job.

[Elhanan]

Trentoster wrote...

HotU was when we finally got our heads together on how to make good NWN content. I still feel guilty about the original NWN campaign. We had some good ideas, we just didn't finish the technology in time to really do a good job on them.
Sadly, I've never even played NWN2. I'd have to say after seven years working on NWN I just couldn't look at another interpretation of our concept.

*waves to the Hulk*

HotU is indeed excellent! But the shining star of NWN1 for me was not any of the solo mods, but the included  tools which made m/p gaming not only possible, but highly enjoyable.

Best wishes!

[HipMaestro]

Trentoster wrote...

HotU was when we finally got our heads together on how to make good NWN content. I still feel guilty about the original NWN campaign. We had some good ideas, we just didn't finish the technology in time to really do a good job on them.

Well, you have at least one staunch fan of the OC.  No.  Make that at least 4 because my nephews are constantly bugging me to play it with them as a MP LAN, something that is basically impossible with HotU.

What seems to go unnoticed is that it is the only one of the 3 Bio campaigns that is totally gliche-free (if one follows the rules, that is) and doesn't require a 2gig hak to run it.  And that counts for a lot in my book.  I love the expansiveness of the OC design and its focus on class balancing.  Hindsight is always 20-20, especially when under the gun of getting content released for public consumption, marketing and all that. Community content has an essentially open-ended release schedule (unless otherwise self-imposed!) so the pressures are quite different.

You guys did a great job all-around IMO.  Thank you!

Modifié par HipMaestro, 01 décembre 2010 - 02:30 .

[Xenovant]

@Muric

I didn't know that kingmaker and shadowguard are unfinished, the truth is that I have only played them a little because I didn't like the story I have played all the premium mods but I have finished only 3: witch's wake, pirates of the sword coast and wyvern's crown of cormyr (a shame that the story of wyverns is unfinished too)



@Trentoster: ". I'd have to say after seven years working on NWN I just couldn't look at another interpretation of our concept."



Hey! We share the same thoughts xDD

[BelgarathMTH]

@ the OP:



I'd ignore everything in your list there and start downloading from the vault. Get Savant's Saga of Aielund, and Fantus' Lords of Darkness. Adam Miller's Shadowlords-Dreamcatcher series is also very good.



My two cents on the other discussion: Count my vote for liking the NWN OC. I replay it frequently, usually once or twice a year at least. I think the story is good, contrary to what seems to be the majority opinion. I'd say more about exactly what I like about the story, but this is no-spoilers. The OC gets two thumbs up from me.

[Shia Luck]

Chiefsonny wrote...
I have NWN 2 and MotB expansion pack unopened sitting on my desk. Also my wife brought me DragonAge Origins for my birthday (this Sat) so I have it staring at me to. Was trying to decided which one to play first after I finish up with the NWN expansions.

Happy Birthday

Despite DA being a great game, I'd try a few of the wonderful nwn community modules before trying it. (Tho different controls makes it a small hell to switch between the two... YMMV.)

Chiefsonny wrote...
By the way, I used Dove soap. Had a better taste.

Dove is silk

Trentoster wrote...

HotU was when we finally got our heads together on how to make good NWN content. I still feel guilty about the original NWN campaign. We had some good ideas, we just didn't finish the technology in time to really do a good job on them.

Nothing is perfect, and this way it worked. If you hadn't finished the technology and brought out a better story in a totally unplayable game then... we all wouldn't love you quite so much.

[NWN DM]

Chiefsonny wrote...

Just finished NWN OC.
I have the Diamond Edition which includes as you know
Shadows of Undrentide
Hordes of the Underdark
Kingmaker
ShadowGuard
Witches Wake.
Questions:
Is there any order I should play these in?
Are they all worth playing?
In the Diamond Edition are they all patched to the latest patch?
Can I bring my Fighter from the OC over to these addons?
Thanks in advance

PS Looking forward to playing NWN 2, heard some where it was a little better than 1.

a) Get yourself into MP.  That's where the game shines.

 Make up your own mind about NWN2.  The bashing here is well ingrained and you are unlikely to get a fair representation (my opinion obviously).

[jmlzemaggo]

 I also believe the true NWN lives online. That's why I never went there.       

[Mac-Biodiesel]

Chiefsonny wrote...

Just finished NWN OC.
I have the Diamond Edition which includes as you know
Shadows of Undrentide
Hordes of the Underdark
Kingmaker
ShadowGuard
Witches Wake.
Questions:
Is there any order I should play these in?
Are they all worth playing?
In the Diamond Edition are they all patched to the latest patch?
Can I bring my Fighter from the OC over to these addons?
Thanks in advance

PS Looking forward to playing NWN 2, heard some where it was a little better than 1.

I definitely recommend you play through SotU (Shadows....) and HotU (Hordes...), at least for the experience.  They are good stories, and they also make references to the OC which you might appreciate.

After that, I highly recommend you download and install the latest CEP version to open yourself up to world of quality custom content.

I also HIGHLY recommend you play through the Aielund Saga.  The author weaves a great story, plus he gives just about every class a chance to shine.  classes that are perhaps weaker in the OC get the benefit of special quests and items (e.g. monks, rangers, druids, bards).  BTW, I know that page says it requires CEP v2.1, but I found 2.2 to work fine, so 2.3 probably does, too.

I wouldn't even bother with NWN2.  I haven't tried it myself, and have no desire to since NWN1 keeps me happy.  

[FlowerGolem]

Count me with the people who liked the NWN OC even better than the expansions ! But I definitely recommend playing the expansions before trying custom content.

Don't bother with NWN2, it's crap. Maybe the story is good, but the game is slow and buggy and you must fight the game user interface (especially the camera) to play. I bought NWN2 and couldn't play more than an hour because of that.

Modifié par FlowerGolem, 02 décembre 2010 - 09:53 .

[Talia Kirana]

I liked the OC too. Had a ton of fun with it.

[NWN DM]

FlowerGolem wrote...

Don't bother with NWN2, it's crap. ... but the game is slow and buggy and you must fight the game user interface (especially the camera) to play. I bought NWN2 and couldn't play more than an hour because of that.

Yeah, unpatched and back in 2006, this was accurate.

In December 2010, it isn't the case.

[FlowerGolem]

I tried few months ago, with the last patch for NWN2, v1.23 with hotfix. Still horrible to my opinion.

[NWN DM]

Are you aware that the controls can toggle between the three camera modes by using the '*' key on your numeric keypad?

Or that you can manually change what the camera modes react to, and make it just like the NWN camera mode?

Modifié par NWN DM, 03 décembre 2010 - 08:41 .

[Muric]

Xenovant wrote...

@Muric
I didn't know that kingmaker and shadowguard are unfinished, the truth is that I have only played them a little because I didn't like the story I have played all the premium mods but I have finished only 3: witch's wake, pirates of the sword coast and wyvern's crown of cormyr (a shame that the story of wyverns is unfinished too)

of the premium modules, i've only played witches wake, kingmaker, and shadowguard.  honestly i didn't care much for Kingmaker, witches wake...was in my opinion little better.   Kingmaker ends with you being crowned after you kill your "brother", the masked man.
   Shadowguard had started a good story, it just stops at, what i guess what would be considered the climax.  Basically the crimson prophet orders his minions to kill everyone in the city(after killing your father), and you and the shadowguard recruiters fight your way back to the ship where the module ends with you and the others boarding the ship.  there is no formal induction into the shadowguard or anything it just stops.  all three were packaged with NWN diamond edition. 
  For the love of all that is unholy,  they shouldn't be allowed to slap togather 3 short quests and call it a complete premium module.   especially when it's abundantly clear it's no where near finished.   I mean come on... i shelled out a second $30 partly, because i wanted a backup copy of the game along with those 3 mods in the expansion.  basically...i felt a little cheated.

@FlowerGolem
did they at least make it stable, or clean up the graphics? that alone would have been an improvement.  hated having to reload the game 8 times just so i could get menus i could read <_<

Modifié par Muric, 04 décembre 2010 - 08:16 .