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[Pushover1985]

ok, so Fergus is sent ahead with the majority of troops north to Ostagar in the evening. The same night the Human Noble escapes from Highever castle. Now, I'm guessing a bunch of troops marching together would be a lot slower than two men on their own so why couldn't they catch up with Fergus way before Ostagar? Especially when they are only hours ahead?

[VampireCommando]

Shhhhhh your not supposed to notice the plot hole. But on a serious note, maybe they covered alot more ground than you thought and the HN and duncan had to rest before catching up with them, there for keeping there journeies a parrell to one and other.

[Wulfram]

Fergus and his lot had horses?



HN and Duncan had to avoid Howe patrols?

[Pushover1985]

It still seems odd. Once they got out of the vicinity of the castle they shouldn't have had to dodge Howe's men. And I'm sure I rememeber Bryce mentioning the men would be marching to Ostagar. I tihnk it would be unusual for every single soldier to have a horse.

[Sarah1281]

I don't think that it's realistic that Fergus' men actually left at night no matter that you're sent to bed before Oren is. They probably have several hours on you.

[Sith Grey Warden]

They probably were delayed significantly by Howe's patrols. Howe did, after all, have all the time in the world to set up the ambush. In fact, the HN did not survive without Duncan despite still having the larder escape route.



The way I see it, Howe likely stationed small patrols along all the roads in the vicinity of the castle. These men made sure to vanish for Fergus and his troops when they passed by so nothing would seem out of the ordinary, but would be there to block the use of the roads by Duncan and the Warden. Thus, they had to travel off the roads, likely through the woods. Without a map of said woods, it is entirely possible they even got lost a few times.



It might be a tad farfetched, but it's not entirely unrealistic.

[Liliandra Nadiar]

Don't question the plot holes. Each of the origins has plot holes in either the timeline or common sense issues. Just nod, smile and enjoy the game.

[Pushover1985]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I don't think that it's realistic that Fergus' men actually left at night no matter that you're sent to bed before Oren is. They probably have several hours on you.

Every guard you pass says 'Good evening, my lord.'

[Sarah1281]

In fact, the HN did not survive without Duncan despite still having the larder escape route.

We don't know that.

[Sarah1281]

Pushover1985 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I don't think that it's realistic that Fergus' men actually left at night no matter that you're sent to bed before Oren is. They probably have several hours on you.

Every guard you pass says 'Good evening, my lord.'

Why would ANYONE who isn't trying to hide start travelling by night? 

[Pushover1985]

Liliandra Nadiar wrote...

Don't question the plot holes. Each of the origins has plot holes in either the timeline or common sense issues. Just nod, smile and enjoy the game.

I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything. The love I have for this game borders on obsession. It just hit me that Fergus and the human noble didn't leave the castle very far apart on my current and millionth play through.

Modifié par Pushover1985, 26 novembre 2010 - 10:26 .

[Pushover1985]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Pushover1985 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I don't think that it's realistic that Fergus' men actually left at night no matter that you're sent to bed before Oren is. They probably have several hours on you.

Every guard you pass says 'Good evening, my lord.'

Why would ANYONE who isn't trying to hide start travelling by night? 

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. You are sent to bed even before fergus leaves. It is either nightfall or almost nightfall when Fergus leaves.

[Sarah1281]

Pushover1985 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Pushover1985 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I don't think that it's realistic that Fergus' men actually left at night no matter that you're sent to bed before Oren is. They probably have several hours on you.

Every guard you pass says 'Good evening, my lord.'

Why would ANYONE who isn't trying to hide start travelling by night? 

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. You are sent to bed even before fergus leaves. It is either nightfall or almost nightfall when Fergus leaves.

...Yeah, I'm not wrong. I am not claiming that it is not nighttime. I am saying it makes no ****ing sense that it is nighttime.

If you'll notice, I said "I don't think that it's realistic that..." and "Why would anyone..." not "It's so not nighttime no matter what the game tells you." 

And I feel my question is perfectly valid. Why in the world would the troops have all left at nighttime? 

[Addai]

As others have said, you probably needed to take a roundabout way out of Highever in order to escape Howe's pickets. I imagine they were watching all the roads.

[Pushover1985]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Pushover1985 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Pushover1985 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I don't think that it's realistic that Fergus' men actually left at night no matter that you're sent to bed before Oren is. They probably have several hours on you.

Every guard you pass says 'Good evening, my lord.'

Why would ANYONE who isn't trying to hide start travelling by night? 

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. You are sent to bed even before fergus leaves. It is either nightfall or almost nightfall when Fergus leaves.

...Yeah, I'm not wrong. I am not claiming that it is not nighttime. I am saying it makes no ****ing sense that it is nighttime.

If you'll notice, I said "I don't think that it's realistic that..." and "Why would anyone..." not "It's so not nighttime no matter what the game tells you." 

And I feel my question is perfectly valid. Why in the world would the troops have all left at nighttime? 

Ooooooooooooh, I'm sorry. I misunderstood! D'oh...

[bleetman]

Pushover1985 wrote...
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. You are sent to bed even before fergus leaves. It is either nightfall or almost nightfall when Fergus leaves.

Thing is, you can just about make out the sun if you look at the sky



Unless we're assuming the day/night cycle is just plain faster than ours, there's a few hours until sunset at least. That, and Howe isn't going to assault the castle until Highever's men are a good long distance away. I generally assumed they had a good 7~ hour lead on the HN character.

Modifié par bleetman, 26 novembre 2010 - 10:46 .

[DPSSOC]

It's important to remember we have no idea what time it is when Howe's men attack, nor do we know how long the escape took (disparity between gametime and actual time). So if Fergus' men left just before or at sunset and you're not getting out of the castle until just before sunrise (as an example) they essentially have an entire day's march on you.



Add to that your Warden (and probably Duncan) did not escape unscathed so you're either going to have to stop and bandage up or you're going to be moving slowly. Then you consider that you'd have to sneak away from at least the area immediately surrounding Highever.



So it's entirely possible that Fergus beat you to Ostagar and I think raises the question of how Howe didn't beat you there.

[Giggles_Manically]

Simple the Highever troops were sponsored by Nike and they had all the good shows leaving none for the HN.

Everyone knows that Nikes make you 25% faster.



Simple.

[Sarah1281]

Glaucon wrote...

Altering troop dispositions during night-time is, and has always been, standard practice. They are harder to locate and when located they are difficult to reconnoitre adequately.

*edit to clarify*

But to what end? They expected their enemy to only be at Ostagar. They weren't on the run from any non-darkspawn opponents. They didn't NEED to be difficult to locate.

[Sarah1281]

But there is no point AT ALL. The darkspawn are nowhere near Highever so why would they start off from the other side of the country hiding from creatures no one expects outside of the Wilds and who no one thinks are intelligent enough to spy on them?

[leggywillow]

Sarah1281 wrote...

And I feel my question is perfectly valid. Why in the world would the troops have all left at nighttime? 

The answer is obvious: They left at night because Fergus and his troops are all vampires!  And the HN and Duncan can't catch up to them because they travelled as a flock of bats!  It all makes perfect sense.

Modifié par leggywillow, 27 novembre 2010 - 01:05 .

[bleetman]

That, or Duncan had to stop briefly to relieve himself, the effort of unbuckling/re-attatching his belts taking up most of the day.

Modifié par bleetman, 27 novembre 2010 - 01:41 .