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[Metaneira]

I understand that, in game, darker skin tones in humans are assumed to be of Rivaini descent.  Which is fine; it's nice to have an in-game explanation for Duncan's coloring, for example.  Yet one of the problems I encountered when starting my first human noble character in DAO was that I started with a black woman only to discover my parents and brother were these pasty white people.  It's clear that I'm not adopted -- I'm the last of the Cousland line -- so I ended up re-rolling a white character to make the opening story more realistic.  It was disappointing that I was given the option to play a black character (something I've done ever since Ultima first allowed it), but the story was so compelling that I adjusted my character to fit the narrative.  Even if I didn't, however, my family is only featured in the very beginning and end of my tale, so I could have ignored it for the majority of my gameplay experience.

However, from what I know about Dragon Age 2, it looks like Hawke's siblings will play a prominent role in the story -- even as player companions.  I'm wondering why this was.  Perhaps the decision to limit the race of the player character to white a conscious decision, based on player data.  Bioware collected data on Mass Effect 2 that shows only 18% of players pick a femShep.  Maybe it was a simple oversight.  I would love to play a black Hawke, just as I made a black Revan and black Shepard, but my desire for a cohesive narrative will likely win out.  Even if I tried to roleplay that Hawke's parents adopted a stray Rivani child, there would likely be conflicting dialogue from Bethany or Carver that suggests a biological relationship.  It would heavily detract rom the immersive experience I've come to esteem in Bioware RPGs.

Bioware has had such a strong track record of providing traditionally marginalized groups of gamers a way to participate in a fantasy world that reflects who they are in real life.  It saddens me that Dragon Age 2 will limit that for people who want their player character to fit in with the universe seamlessly.

I understand that this can be a contentious issue, and I hope that the forum-dwellers here can approach it with respect and maturity. 

[Sigil_Beguiler123]

The choices you make about what your Hawke looks like effects what your siblings look like, such as skin colour.

[Eveangaline]

They have said they're going to change the skin tone of your family based on your choices.

[In Exile]

Your race isn't limited to white. The skin colour of Hawke's family changes based on yours.

[Metaneira]

Oh! I didn't see anything about that. That's amazing! Does anyone have a link to where that is stated?

[Eveangaline]

It's in the 'what we know' thread, gives this interview as it's source http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/9383190

just before 22 minutes in, he's asked "if I play a black Hawke, will Bethany be black" and he says yes.

Modifié par Eveangaline, 27 novembre 2010 - 11:07 .

[HopHazzard]

Dalira Montanti wrote...

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

The choices you make about what your Hawke looks like effects what your siblings look like, such as skin colour.

so for example if we made hawkes skin bright green the siblings would have green skin?

I doubt bright green will be an option, but that is how the mechanic has been explained to us.

[Eveangaline]

Dalira Montanti wrote...

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

The choices you make about what your Hawke looks like effects what your siblings look like, such as skin colour.

so for example if we made hawkes skin bright green the siblings would have green skin?

....The name is Hawke, not Hulk.

[dr_ow]

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

The choices you make about what your Hawke looks like effects what your siblings look like, such as skin colour.

Has it been said whether this applies to other features as well? I don't think it would make sense for Hawke to have, say, blond hair if all his relatives have black hair, for instance.

[Nerivant]

dr_ow wrote...

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

The choices you make about what your Hawke looks like effects what your siblings look like, such as skin colour.

I don't think it would make sense for Hawke to have, say, blond hair if all his relatives have black hair, for instance.

Genetics are a magical animal.

Like a unicorn.

[John Epler]

The system they used to avoid the uncomfortable 'so our milkman was Rivaini' situation that arose in the Human Noble origin of DA:O is actually pretty robust. I've seen it affect all sorts of things in addition to just skin colour.

[Sigil_Beguiler123]

Oooo, neat. I wasn't sure if it did more then just skin colour. That would be a neat bunch of screenshots. A bunch of different Hawke's then showing what his/her family looks like.

[Johnny Chaos]

i liked being black and having 2 white parents. i just pretended bryce and eleanor had an open marriage

[dr_ow]

Johnny Chaos wrote...

i liked being black and having 2 white parents. i just pretended bryce and eleanor had an open marriage

...Ah.

[upsettingshorts]

Johnny Chaos wrote...

i liked being black and having 2 white parents. i just pretended bryce and eleanor had an open marriage

Kinda throws the whole bloodline thing out the window though, and considering the rest of Ferelden seems to think that's extremely important, it sort of breaks the storyline.  Not in too many substantial ways unless - for example - you're male and proposing to marry Anora and she cites your Cousland blood as a positive trait, but it violates the story's internal consistency.  As I understand it, the only way for the Warden to believably have Cousland blood is to be his father's son (or daughter), as Bryce Cousland is the pater familias.

When I wanted to make a black human Warden, I just rolled a mage.  No pesky incongruities there.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 novembre 2010 - 07:10 .

[JoltDealer]

Like everyone else has said, DA2 is supposed to have a system that changes the skin color of your family to whatever yours is.

[NamiraWilhelm]

JohnEpler wrote...

The system they used to avoid the uncomfortable 'so our milkman was Rivaini' situation that arose in the Human Noble origin of DA:O is actually pretty robust. I've seen it affect all sorts of things in addition to just skin colour.

Hahaha, omg... love it

[Wulfram]

JohnEpler wrote...

The system they used to avoid the uncomfortable 'so our milkman was Rivaini' situation that arose in the Human Noble origin of DA:O is actually pretty robust. I've seen it affect all sorts of things in addition to just skin colour.

So if I give my character a huge nose, will Bethany get one too?

[MuseMajora]

Wulfram wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

The system they used to avoid the uncomfortable 'so our milkman was Rivaini' situation that arose in the Human Noble origin of DA:O is actually pretty robust. I've seen it affect all sorts of things in addition to just skin colour.

So if I give my character a huge nose, will Bethany get one too?

Now you're just being picky. XD

Though I guess it would look odd seeing a black/Asian character with white features.

Modifié par MuseMajora, 28 novembre 2010 - 07:38 .

[Wulfram]

MuseMajora wrote...

Now you're just being picky. XD

More I just like the idea of poor Bethany being forced to try and match the hideous being I made in the character creator.

[Qset]

JohnEpler wrote...

The system they used to avoid the uncomfortable 'so our milkman was Rivaini' situation that arose in the Human Noble origin of DA:O is actually pretty robust. I've seen it affect all sorts of things in addition to just skin colour.

now that sounds great Not only will my female and male Hawkes look different but so will Bethany, Carver and Mum. Looking forward to playing with that.

[NamiraWilhelm]

Wulfram wrote...

MuseMajora wrote...

Now you're just being picky. XD

More I just like the idea of poor Bethany being forced to try and match the hideous being I made in the character creator.

You've a great point there. A Joseph Merrick style Hawke it is.

[Johnny Chaos]

asian bethany will be hawt

[Gabey5]

i will be intesting to see the combinations