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[AlanC9]

Aermas wrote...
If they have completely separate the visual armor from the mechanical armor then what's the point of wearing armor, we should all fight naked.

Um.... what are you talking about? Nobody from Bio ever said armor won't do anything.

[Maria Caliban]

AlanC9 wrote...

Aermas wrote...
If they have completely separate the visual armor from the mechanical armor then what's the point of wearing armor, we should all fight naked.

Um.... what are you talking about? Nobody from Bio ever said armor won't do anything.

He's been doing this for three pages now and several people have pointed out it makes no sense.

[AlanC9]

Thanks, Maria. I thought maybe I'd missed something. What's that old adage about crazy people -- sometimes when you talk to them you think you're the one who's crazy?

Come to think of it, we had a dev post explaining how DA2 armor will work -- percentage reduction rather than subtracting the armor rating from the damage done.

Modifié par AlanC9, 03 décembre 2010 - 05:00 .

[Elishiva]

I've done it in my game with my female pc and alistair out bythemsves and Iliked it o.k.I thought the fighting style went faster and some fights didn't last as long I've even leveled up a few times doing this . I esspecually like taking Alistair and LadyHawke back to camp this way so they can go to sleep. your friend Elishiva

[Aermas]

That is the Armor Statistic, not the visual armor that the characters will wear

[Crimson Invictus]

Maria Caliban wrote...
He's been doing this for three pages now and several people have pointed out it makes no sense.

I must admit that I thought that had been occuring since the start of the thread.

[Leonia]

It's been occurring really since Aermas started posting and getting real-world armour and virtual armour mechanics confused. Even I don't know which is which any more.

[RedRoo]

Whenever you see something that doesn't make sense, a wizard did it.



Thank you, Lucy Lawless.

[AlanC9]

I'll keep taking him seriously for now, though

Aermas wrote...

That is the Armor Statistic, not the visual armor that the characters will wear

Right. And in DAO combat was also governed by the armor statistic, not the visual armor. Every RPG in history has had combat governed by the statistics, not the visual armor. Hell, every computer game has worked this way.

What is your point?

[Crimson Invictus]

RedRoo wrote...
 a wizard did it.
 

In DA a Flemeth did it.

[Leonia]

If Flemeth did it then maybe that means Liana did it *notices avatar*



Liana is a wizard!

[Aermas]

AlanC9 wrote...

I'll keep taking him seriously for now, though

Aermas wrote...

That is the Armor Statistic, not the visual armor that the characters will wear

Right. And in DAO combat was also governed by the armor statistic, not the visual armor. Every RPG in history has had combat governed by the statistics, not the visual armor. Hell, every computer game has worked this way.

What is your point?

Now someone fighting naked gets the same Armor Stat as an armored combatant.

[Maria Caliban]

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
He's been doing this for three pages now and several people have pointed out it makes no sense.

I must admit that I thought that had been occuring since the start of the thread.

I hadn't paid attention.

[Leonia]

They're not naked! That term keeps confusing me. I keep expecting a bunch of smexy men covered in nothing by nutella and battling with pillows. Please just call them armoured. Because they ARE wearing armour.

[Crimson Invictus]

leonia42 wrote...
Liana is a wizard!

Am I going to be blamed for dragon cults now?

Maria Caliban wrote...
I hadn't paid attention.

It wasn't a rebuke, simply my impression, and why I haven't been paying attention either.

Modifié par Liana Nighthawk, 03 décembre 2010 - 05:27 .

[Sigil_Beguiler123]

Aermas wrote...

Think of it as AC versus DR in D&D
Dodging is not Armor, if you dodge the attack you take no damage.
Armor should reduce the amount of damage.


If they have completely separate the visual armor from the mechanical armor then what's the point of wearing armor, we should all fight naked.

At least in normal D&D 3.5 (which if I remember you correctly saying in past posts in this thread was the D&D you played). That with normal characters there is no Damage Reduction, that is usually for something special. AC is armour + dexterity + 10 +special stuff. Someone could wear no armour but have high dexterity and have a better AC score then someone with tons of heavy armour. Or a mix of both. In my current game my rogue has a higher AC then our tank because of her ridiculous dex score.

Which I would say is a fine example of what I and others have mentioned in the past. That it comes down to narrative. That the person with the higher AC because of dexterity is because of dodging, etc. not from being able to shrug off a blow like someone with high AC thanks to armour.

Modifié par Sigil_Beguiler123, 03 décembre 2010 - 05:29 .

[Nerivant]

Aermas wrote...
Now someone fighting naked gets the same Armor Stat as an armored combatant.

Say it with me now...

Magic.

[Aermas]

A scarf is not armor, a peasant smock is not armor, a robe is not armor. I am sorry to confuse you.

[Piecake]

Does anyone else picture Aermas sitting down at his computer wearing full plate mail and lovingly stroking his collection of medieval swords?



Id just like to repeat again that this whole debate is absurd since his argument is based on an assumption. Apparently he thinks that means logic and facts though

[Aermas]

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Think of it as AC versus DR in D&D
Dodging is not Armor, if you dodge the attack you take no damage.
Armor should reduce the amount of damage.


If they have completely separate the visual armor from the mechanical armor then what's the point of wearing armor, we should all fight naked.

At least in normal D&D 3.5 (which if I remember you correctly saying in past posts in this thread was the D&D you played). That with normal characters there is no Damage Reduction, that is usually for something special. AC is armour + dexterity + 10 +special stuff. Someone could wear no armour but have high dexterity and have a better AC score then someone with tons of heavy armour. Or a mix of both. In my current game my rogue has a higher AC then our tank because of her ridiculous dex score.

I used D&D as most everyone is familiar with it, & specifically referenced Damage Reduction compared to Armor class. What if the Armored character has the same dex? If we are eliminating all variables save whether they are wearing armor or not. A closer representation is Warhammer Fantasy RPG, armor is used as DR to negate incoming damage.

[Sigil_Beguiler123]

I mainly wanted just clarification, since DR is almost never seen in my D&D 3.5 games so wanted to make sure wasn't mistaking what you said.

[Aermas]

Piecake wrote...

Does anyone else picture Aermas sitting down at his computer wearing full plate mail and lovingly stroking his collection of medieval swords?

Id just like to repeat again that this whole debate is absurd since his argument is based on an assumption. Apparently he thinks that means logic and facts though

I am within hands reach of two weapons, a katana with a cobra pommel & a plain Hand & a Half sword I do not wear the plate as in is hard to sit in.

[Matchy Pointy]

Aermas wrote...

Piecake wrote...

Does anyone else picture Aermas sitting down at his computer wearing full plate mail and lovingly stroking his collection of medieval swords?

Id just like to repeat again that this whole debate is absurd since his argument is based on an assumption. Apparently he thinks that means logic and facts though

I am within hands reach of two weapons, a katana with a cobra pommel & a plain Hand & a Half sword I do not wear the plate as in is hard to sit in.

Yet armour does not limit movement in any way... (just pointig it out).

[AlanC9]

Aermas wrote...
Now someone fighting naked gets the same Armor Stat as an armored combatant.

Who told you that? The last thing I heard was that armor works in percentages now, but it's still there.

[Aermas]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

Aermas wrote...

Piecake wrote...

Does anyone else picture Aermas sitting down at his computer wearing full plate mail and lovingly stroking his collection of medieval swords?

Id just like to repeat again that this whole debate is absurd since his argument is based on an assumption. Apparently he thinks that means logic and facts though

I am within hands reach of two weapons, a katana with a cobra pommel & a plain Hand & a Half sword I do not wear the plate as in is hard to sit in.

Yet armour does not limit movement in any way... (just pointig it out).

The padding & thinkness of the metal scoot me forward in my chair, & the armored boots raise my feet up just enough for my roll out keyboard rest to get caught. on the knee protection