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[naledgeborn]

He's an opportunistic b**tch. No way around it. He tries to ride a whiny bastard's (no offense Alistarian's) coattails into power. On my first King-consort play through I did everything in the Landsmeet against instinct and had unchanged Alistair execute Gen. Loghain. Even after I saved his sorry ass village and made sure each one of his incompetent militia survived, stopped the abomination of his son from reigning terror on his lands, and quested for a mythical artifact which involved slaughtering a cabal of cultists and slaying a High Dragon, the ungrateful bastard was too proud to show up at my wife-to-be's coronation, who was already queen to begin with. I'll tell you, if Dragon Age Origins has a character that should be despised it's him. All the subtlety in the world can't hide this.

[BHRamsay]

Hating on Eamon for not letting him get his way is like Hating on Anora for betraying you when it looks like you are going to sell her out or betray her -- Everyone is out for themselves and faulting someone for being bitter at not getting what they want seems unfair.



Did I just give a backhanded defense of Anora...Hell must have frozen over

[CruserBoii]

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Well, if you hate him that much, you can always abandon Redcliffe and let the demon stay with Connor. That will show him.

[Sarah1281]

Actually, I think Eamon probably is at the coronation since Anora's goodbye line involves Eamon calling her and why would she say that if he wasn't even there?



And this line:

Eamon: Myself, I will be returning to Redcliffe. There is much to rebuild there... and Anora certainly has no need of me.

That the toolset claims you can get if Anora is solo queen makes his lack of a presence there seem like a bug just like Shale isn't there on the console.

[naledgeborn]

Are you serious? I mean let's weigh things out a bit. Saving Redcliffe, making him Alistair's Chancellor. Risking your life to save his against nigh-impossible odds, making him Alistair's Chancellor. Possibly saving his entire family, making him Alistair's Chancellor. I think regardless of how you play he still owes you his life, self-serving or no. And he's still too good to be at the coronation? I don't buy it. It speaks volumes of him that he couldn't even keep his castle under control, imagine an entire nation. This guy is a bum. If you read his codex at Lothering it's said that even the inept King Cailan thought very little of him. And in Anora's defense what does she owe you? You don't actually believe Loghain was going to let his daughter become a martyr, do you?

[naledgeborn]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Actually, I think Eamon probably is at the coronation since Anora's goodbye line involves Eamon calling her and why would she say that if he wasn't even there?

And this line:
Eamon: Myself, I will be returning to Redcliffe. There is much to rebuild there... and Anora certainly has no need of me.
That the toolset claims you can get if Anora is solo queen makes his lack of a presence there seem like a bug just like Shale isn't there on the console.

I did not know this... but I'm also a console player.... for the moment<_<

[BHRamsay]

....And what does Eamon owe you?



Saving him was more or less a self serving act. YOU needed his help and YOU did what you had to to get his help.



Anora uses you and Eamon (risking your life in the process ) to save her life and make a play for power and you seem fine with that.



If you pull an end run and grab Anora for yourself, It's pretty much the same thing. YOU saw something you needed and you grabbed it and damn the consequences.



So if its OK that Anora used you and Eamon and it was OK that you used the chaos to plant yourself on the throne, why is it bad that Eamon gets his back up or tries to do the same thing that everyone else is doing?



Whats OK for you and Anora must be at least permissible for Eamon right?

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Actually, I think Eamon probably is at the coronation since Anora's goodbye line involves Eamon calling her and why would she say that if he wasn't even there?

And this line:
Eamon: Myself, I will be returning to Redcliffe. There is much to rebuild there... and Anora certainly has no need of me.
That the toolset claims you can get if Anora is solo queen makes his lack of a presence there seem like a bug just like Shale isn't there on the console.

It may be a bug indeed, although I think it fits with Eamon's character to not show up if he doesn't get his wish of having Alistair as king.

Perhaps they decided to scrap his appearance at the last minute.

[Wulfram]

Eamon is on the roof of Fort Drakon, so I don't care where else he turns up.

[Sarah1281]

....And what does Eamon owe you?

Saving him was more or less a self serving act. YOU needed his help and YOU did what you had to to get his help.

He owes you the life of his wife and/or son. If you do the Tower, he especially owes you.

By the way, does anyone know why there are lines that are supposed to fire if both Isolde AND Connor are dead? Obviously, the game doesn't make this possible but how would that be possible? Would this be if you used the Jowan's ritual and yet failed to defeat the demon and so had to cut Connor down? If you take too long to bring back the Circle and Connor kills him mother and goes on a rampage?

Modifié par Sarah1281, 28 novembre 2010 - 07:41 .

[Zjarcal]

@Sarah:



I've never tried losing to the demon in the Fade, but I suppose if you did the ritual and lost there's a chance the mage in the fade goes back to the real world and you're forced to kill Connor.



My guess though is that it was something that was cut, but the possibility of killing them both does seem very real.

[CalJones]

I always cheer when Archy bites Eamon and shakes him around like a ragdoll, but I'm always disappointed he gets spat out, even though I know it happens every time.

[Wedger]

CalJones wrote...

I always cheer when Archy bites Eamon and shakes him around like a ragdoll, but I'm always disappointed he gets spat out, even though I know it happens every time.

Me too!  I always hold the forces back just in case this time... this time is different.  But noooo.  Eamon is immortal. 

Eamon lost me when he said "I would not propose such a thing if we had an alternative. But the unthinkable has occurred." referring to his supporting Alistair for the throne.  I mean - what a terrible thing to tell someone.

Modifié par Wedger, 28 novembre 2010 - 09:25 .

[Sarah1281]

I think "the unthinkable has happened" was actually a reference to Cailan dying without an heir and Loghain appearing to be mad with power as he seized the regency and brought the country to civil war.

[Moondoggie]

My first playthrough i was really anti Loghain and put Alistair on the throne but playing it again and again i began to notice how Arl Eamon uses Alistair to put a puppet king on the throne and take control through the backdoor. He acts like he has good intentions but i am not so sure anymore so on my latest playthrough i went with Anora and spared Loghain. Anora wanted to execute Alistair and i agreeed with her and it's funny how quick Eamon forgets Alistair and sucks up to Anora. He didn't even protest Alistairs execution.

[Wedger]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I think "the unthinkable has happened" was actually a reference to Cailan dying without an heir and Loghain appearing to be mad with power as he seized the regency and brought the country to civil war.

I disagree.


Teagan:  "Are you referring to Alistair, Brother? Are you certain?"

Eamon: "I would not propose such a thing if we had an alternative. But the unthinkable has occurred."

My Warden always wants to slap Eamon when he says that. 

Modifié par Wedger, 28 novembre 2010 - 09:27 .

[Sarah1281]

Wedger wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I think "the unthinkable has happened" was actually a reference to Cailan dying without an heir and Loghain appearing to be mad with power as he seized the regency and brought the country to civil war.

I disagree.


Teagan:  "Are you referring to Alistair, Brother? Are you certain?"

Eamon: "I would not propose such a thing if we had an alternative. But the unthinkable has occurred."

My Warden always wants to slap Eamon when he says that. 

"Such a thing" is a reference to how distasteful he finds putting a bastard on the throne is. "The unthinkable" is the situation leading up to Eamon needing Alistair to call the Landsmeet.

[Face of Evil]

Wedger wrote...

Eamon lost me when he said "I would not propose such a thing if we had an alternative. But the unthinkable has occurred." referring to his supporting Alistair for the throne.  I mean - what a terrible thing to tell someone.

I don't really take that as an insult. I see that more of a reference to Alistair's unwillingness to take the throne and "the unthinkable" as Cailan's death and Loghain's coup.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 28 novembre 2010 - 09:33 .

[Wedger]

Sarah - perhaps. But I always hear it as a slam. Alistair doesn't mention that he is unwilling until after these statements. He's standing around pretty clueless up 'til then.

[sylvanaerie]

CalJones wrote...

I always cheer when Archy bites Eamon and shakes him around like a ragdoll, but I'm always disappointed he gets spat out, even though I know it happens every time.

hehe I actually had Archi kill Eamon once.  He just seemed to focus on the old fart till his health bar depleted.  I kept hoping he wouldn't show up at the end but *shrug* there he was.  My PC sends him packing back to Redcliffe when I make Alistair king cause I don't need him around Denerim interfering. 

[naledgeborn]

Now I'm more than pleased I started this thread. I didn't even know he fought with the Redcliffe forces (I'm assuming). Does anyone have a pic of Urthmiel chomping on him? How many troops do you have to lose for him to show up. Maybe I'll have Morrigan CoC him to death. If I knew how, I'd go as far as making this my AV.