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[Sarah1281]

I don't think we hear of Isolde's connections as Arl Eamon's wife, other than her race,

Well, her family was important enough that they were the Orlesian rulers of Redcliffe or so claimed Isolde's codex (I'm not sure if the books contradict this information) so she probably has noble blood.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Hanz54321 wrote...

There's magical birth control in this game? And Wynne discusses it?

OK - that's where I draw the line at silly things writers put into video games.

It's relevant to this discussion . . . I just can't believe they actually made it a point to put that into the game and left so many other things out. Hilarious.

I don't believe Wynne ever specifies *magical* birth control. It's implied there are preventative methods within the Circle, but I got the impression that was just because the Templars/Chantry doesn't want mages to breed uncontrollably. To be fair, the Towers don't have unlimited resources to care for numerous generations of children, who may or may not be mages.

Birth control just sounds like something that's used/available in the Tower, at least to me. It need not be magical, just present. Because Wynne doesn't specify, however, it could indeed be magical.

@Sarah - Interesting...I don't think I'd ever actually read Isolde's Codex entry before XD I think I even like her a bit more, having done so. But while Isolde does appear to have been noble according to this, it more looks like Eamon married her in spite of her bloodline rather than because of it.

[nos_astra]

Hanz54321 wrote...

There's magical birth control in this game? And Wynne discusses it?

OK - that's where I draw the line at silly things writers put into video games.

Wynne mentions that mages there are means to prevent conception. It is not specified how this is done. I for my part assume that whatever it is, it might be available to the monarch.

[nos_astra]

Sarah1281 wrote...
Well, her family was important enough that they were the Orlesian rulers of Redcliffe or so claimed Isolde's codex (I'm not sure if the books contradict this information) so she probably has noble blood.

The book contradicts this only insofar as Isolde must have been really young when she married Eamon and refused to leave Ferelden.

Modifié par klarabella, 09 décembre 2010 - 04:03 .

[Ryzaki]

...Wait magical birth control is ridiculous? Really?

[KnightofPhoenix]

I am pretty sure it has something to do with Lyrium. Never has a ressource been so useful. But let's hope there is no side effects....

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 décembre 2010 - 04:00 .

[nos_astra]

Templars become addicted and it slowly turns their brains into goo. Maybe Lyrium does the same to mages. ^^

Modifié par klarabella, 09 décembre 2010 - 04:05 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Lyrium has some pretty major side effects, no matter who uses it for what, unless you are a dwarf. It is mentioned that it does have diminishing returns the more you use it, so I'd imagine mages count as well. Though perhaps their connection to the Fade might somehow diminish the negative side-effects when compared to what happens to templars.

[LupusYondergirl]

Hanz: It wasn't in relation to the PC getting pregnant. It was a comment between Wynne and Alistair.

* Alistair: So you... mentioned you had a son? What happened to him?
* Wynne: I honestly don't know, Alistair. He was... taken from me. Such births are seldom, as there are ways to prevent it, but it does happen. And any child born to a Circle mage belongs to the Chantry.

So it's not like an in detail conversation about the prevention of births, just an offhanded comment. And since it is Wynne, and you don't know if "such births" means births between mages, or just unwanted births in general, it's impossible to say if she's talking about herbs or, say, a barrier spell. Or even some kind of abortion, for that matter.

But... there is also this bit between Shale and Zevran if his romance is active.

* Shale: I have noticed that the painted elf seeks the attention of the Grey Warden.
* Zevran: He certainly does.
* Shale: (Snorts) I watched many such couplings during the time I spent immobile in Honnleath. Or should I say I was forced to watch. You do know that this usually ends in reproduction. I have seen it many times, indeed.
* Zevran: Oh? That is not such a terrible thought. Creating a new life can be a great deal of fun.

I'm not sure if we could assume unintended pregnancies are common from that. Or just that the sort of people who will go at it in the town square under a statue aren't the most cautious individuals.

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 09 décembre 2010 - 07:15 .

[ejoslin]

Ah, birth control. the practical, non-romantic side of sex, which of course women have practiced for millenia. Since gray wardens have decreased fertility, not such an issue, but Morrigan manages to get pregnant if she and the warden have ever had sex, so not completely decreased.



but pregnancy and labor and birth -- not so sexy.



I'm more inclined to think that mages would be better educated, especially in herb lore, so would know more about prevention than people in a small village.



the Zev fangirl in me squees when that conversation happens, however

[Addai]

Hanz54321 wrote...
I think it's ridiculous in the fact that a birth control discussion even took place in a fantasy RPG.  Illegitimate noble births, sure.  Giving births to a demon-child, check.  Sex with other party members, can't have a good story without sex and romance.

But magic lyrium lined condoms for your protection and her pleasure . . . just not something I think is even remotely interesting in medieval fantasy story.  I think it is ridiculous as in, "You gotta be kidding me.  This is story content?"

Next thing you know we will be playing, "Dragon Age 3: She's Just Not That In to You."

It's funny to me.

Makes for a fun forum discussion though.

Others have covered this too, but preventing/ limiting/ timing births is something that women have done throughout the ages and they didn't need a little pink pill or lyrium to do it.  Technology has made us stupid in that we have become reliant on it.  Fereldans are obviously smarter.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 décembre 2010 - 08:06 .

[Sarah1281]

It's not like the birth control thing is a huge part of the game. It is one throw-away line that's absolutely relevant to Wynne's banter with Alistair about her son. They don't even explain what it is. I don't see why it's such a big deal that Wynne mentions it.

[CalJones]

Addai67 wrote...
Others have covered this too, but preventing/ limiting/ timing births is something that women have done throughout the ages and they didn't need a little pink pill or lyrium to do it.  Technology has made us stupid in that we have become reliant on it.  Fereldans are obviously smarter.

aka don't shoot in the penalty box, or just use the backdoor.

[ArawnNox]

CalJones wrote...
aka don't shoot in the penalty box, or just use the backdoor.

I just had a horrifying thought. What if it's not that Anora is having fertility issues, but that she and Cailen are "doing it wrong."?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

ArawnNox wrote...

CalJones wrote...
aka don't shoot in the penalty box, or just use the backdoor.

I just had a horrifying thought. What if it's not that Anora is having fertility issues, but that she and Cailen are "doing it wrong."?

With Cailan's apparant intelligence, that's a distinct possibility......

[Sarah1281]

Even that isn't a foolproof method to preventing pregnancy.

[ArawnNox]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Even that isn't a foolproof method to preventing pregnancy.

Wait.... what?

[Sarah1281]

ArawnNox wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Even that isn't a foolproof method to preventing pregnancy.

Wait.... what?

Unlikely but possible.

[ArawnNox]

Sarah1281 wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Even that isn't a foolproof method to preventing pregnancy.

Wait.... what?

Unlikely but possible.

I see. I'll refrain from further comments because they'll likely end in me getting banned. >.>

So, back on topic.
My take on things is that Eamon (and probably most of the other Banns) feels that bloodline is far more important than any line of succession. Heck, I'm willing to beleive that Ferelden has no laws governing succession, because it's been ruled by a single family line and doesn't seem to have had political marraiges outside the country.
It's mostly conjecture on my part, but thats the impression I get from the political climate inferred by the books and the game.

[Esbatty]

CalJones wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Others have covered this too, but preventing/ limiting/ timing births is something that women have done throughout the ages and they didn't need a little pink pill or lyrium to do it.  Technology has made us stupid in that we have become reliant on it.  Fereldans are obviously smarter.

aka don't shoot in the penalty box, or just use the backdoor.

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