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[Leonia]

As much as I dislike Isolde, I do think she is looking out for her child's welfare from the beginning and isn't solely trying to "save face" for herself. She wouldn't be nearly as emotional or hysterical if that weren't the truth, she's clearly a mother that genuinely cares about her child, so much so that she is willing to endanger everyone else's lives because she cannot see them as important as her precious Conner's life.

[Leonia]

Oh I don't think they justify her.. but you make it sound like she was looking out for herself and using her protection of Conner as a cover for her real intentions. Maybe I just misread it.

[Bayz]

leonia42 wrote...

As much as I dislike Isolde, I do think she is looking out for her child's welfare from the beginning and isn't solely trying to "save face" for herself. She wouldn't be nearly as emotional or hysterical if that weren't the truth, she's clearly a mother that genuinely cares about her child, so much so that she is willing to endanger everyone else's lives because she cannot see them as important as her precious Conner's life.

That's why I loved to make her kill her own child in my mage's playthrough (where I voluntarily dedided not to tell her the other way). One of the most precious moments of gaming I ever had.

Modifié par Bayz, 21 décembre 2010 - 06:24 .

[forestmaiden86]

hmmm,

These comments have really made me re-evaluate Eamon's character.... I had always seen him as a quiet spoken man who was controlled by his evil conniving b**** of a wife (who I took much pleasure in killing her). I always saw him as caring more for Alistair than he let on... Teagan did hope that Alistair lived for Eamon's sake (if you don't take Alistair to Redcliffe on first visit) and I always felt a little sorry for him.... I think I'll watching him more critically during my next play through.

[Sarah1281]

I always figured that Teagan hoped that Alistair lived because Teagan is a good person and actually gives a damn about Alistair.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I always figured that Teagan hoped that Alistair lived because Teagan is a good person and actually gives a damn about Alistair.

Yes, probably the only Guerrin to do so. His codex states that Teagan is quite unassuming politically, and has no ambitions in that sphere, content to let his brother Eamon play that game while he chills in his estate. And in game, given his accusations in Landsmeet, and his actions and behavior when you arrive in Redcliffe, his overall character tends to make me think he really does genuinely care more about people than politics.

[Thiefy]

I like Eamon. Yeah he has his interests in the throne but his interest is the Therein bloodline and preserving it, not his own grasp for power. If his main concern was controlling the throne through Alistair he would've been against Alistair's marriage to PC or Anora, moreso Anora, but he is fine with either so long as the bloodline continues.

[CalJones]

He's not that fine with the marriage to Anora - if you talk to him back at Castle Redcliffe (post-Landsmeet) he'll say it wasn't his first choice. I'm not sure what he says to a Cousland since I've never done the Princess CousCous thing, but if he knew about the Warden sterility, I don't think he'd be happy at all.

[Thiefy]

CalJones wrote...

He's not that fine with the marriage to Anora - if you talk to him back at Castle Redcliffe (post-Landsmeet) he'll say it wasn't his first choice. I'm not sure what he says to a Cousland since I've never done the Princess CousCous thing, but if he knew about the Warden sterility, I don't think he'd be happy at all.

He doesn't openly discourage it though when he has the chance and when it would be the most fortuios for him. Infact he actually says that it would give Alistair more credibility and support.

He actually doesn't say anything if you go the princess route either, but then again, you kind of just surprise everyone with that announcement at the Landsmeet.

[Sarah1281]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

CalJones wrote...

He's not that fine with the marriage to Anora - if you talk to him back at Castle Redcliffe (post-Landsmeet) he'll say it wasn't his first choice. I'm not sure what he says to a Cousland since I've never done the Princess CousCous thing, but if he knew about the Warden sterility, I don't think he'd be happy at all.

He doesn't openly discourage it though when he has the chance and when it would be the most fortuios for him. Infact he actually says that it would give Alistair more credibility and support.

He actually doesn't say anything if you go the princess route either, but then again, you kind of just surprise everyone with that announcement at the Landsmeet.

He does say afterwards in a very disapproving tone that the marriage to Anora would not have been his first choice (and given that he thinks she's barren, that's hardly surprising) but he 'supposes' he should thank you. As for the second, Alistair will need to marry SOMEBODY to produce an heir and why not someone that appears to be on his side? Besides, since the Landsmeet only approved you+Alistair, he doesn't know if trying to get you out of the picture will lead to the Landsmeet rejecting solo Alistair.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I wonder what Eamon would say if he ever found out that Alistair is gonna be shooting blanks himself. Since supposedly, his whole premise for the letters to Cailan, as well as putting Alistair forward as king are based on his belief that the Therin line continuing is very important for Ferelden's future.



Even if Alistair marries a non-Warden, there is still only a slim chance of him actually producing a kid.

[Reika]

Oh, I'm sure he'll be sending hatemail to Alistair also depending on how things go. And if its to a hardened Alistair, Eamon may be in for a rude surprise.

[Sarah1281]

I think that Eamon would probably be content with the fact that at least Anora isn't on the throne since he seems to hate her. (I mean, if Alistair is sterile then Alistair is sterile. There's no more Theirins waiting in the wings - probably - and so there's only so much that CAN be done)

[LupusYondergirl]

Personally, given her "Cailan had his women" line, I always wondered if the problem was him and not Anora anyways. Otherwise why aren't there legions of glorious little bastards crawling around? He doesn't strike me as a man prone to caution. *ahem*

[Reika]

Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't dig up some other Theirin bastard at some point. Since it was implied that Cailan slept around, he may have had luck (without realizing it). Or Maric may not have kept it in his pants as well as the books may have implied.

[Sarah1281]

I hope they don't, actually. It just sounds a little too convenient.

[Reika]

Agreed. But you never know, considering some of the other stuff put out for DAO.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Reika wrote...

Oh, I'm sure he'll be sending hatemail to Alistair also depending on how things go. And if its to a hardened Alistair, Eamon may be in for a rude surprise.

Possibly. Though like I said, I tend to think Eamon is more interested in Alistair as potential puppet, vs Alistair as last Therin. I'm sure he does care about the bloodline, but more important to him is being able to run the country, or at least influence it, through a properly pliable king.

[Reika]

Skadi - Yeah, I've always seen Eamon that way myself. Especially with how Alistair had been raised and Eamon's comments about "proper guidance".



But I always like to think that a hardened Alistair would break away from Eamon's influence, especially with the epilogue slide at the fact that he surprises many people by studying how to govern properly.

[Gabey5]

You need him. You are nothing. 2 marked wardens running around ferelden. He is very popular and gives you legitimacy and a forum to confront logain. Your whining about saving his life??? YOU NEED HIM. that is all

[Sarah1281]

Well, that doesn't mean you have to like him. In fact, the fact that you need him might increase the resentment.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Reika wrote...

Skadi - Yeah, I've always seen Eamon that way myself. Especially with how Alistair had been raised and Eamon's comments about "proper guidance".

But I always like to think that a hardened Alistair would break away from Eamon's influence, especially with the epilogue slide at the fact that he surprises many people by studying how to govern properly.

Possible yes, though still, unless the Warden becomes Chancellor, Eamon still weasels his way in. Eamon's scheming in the end, however, is 1/3 of the reason I don't put Alistair on the throne. If I did, it would only be paired with Anora, or with my Warden serving in the capacity as Chancellor.

But it would be nice if we could see something in game showing the gradual slip of Eamon's grasp on Alistair, and Eamon's ulcers developing as a result of Alistair repeatedly doing the opposite of what Eamon thinks best.