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[Ryzaki]

Phoenix_Jackson wrote...

I didn't even know about "thread necromancy" (old fart here). But aubepin was just doing the right thing. Heard some facts about DA, searched through the threads, found a good one, and asked a question about it. This thread is a good read too.

I'm gay and I've been entertained by this thread. But I wouldn't have discovered it should it not have been "necromanced"

Not really. The right thing to do would've been make a new thread.

[aubepin]

Thank you all guys for your messages, I was wondering if that forum would still be alive.

If I get it right, I with ps3 dragon age awakening, can have a gay romance with Alistair, but <equal love> who appears to be a mod for pc would show some more hot scene... ?

Is that what you are telling me?



I've been seeing very sexy surprising scene on youtube with the main charactere and Alistair.



I don't really need them to turn hardcore.

The fact that gay romance, even gay kisses are shown here would be SOooooooo delightful.



I am 34.

And believe me it is a great step forward to have gays accepted in rpg word. I am deeply touched.

[Phoenix_Jackson]

Ryzaki wrote...

Phoenix_Jackson wrote...

I didn't even know about "thread necromancy" (old fart here). But aubepin was just doing the right thing. Heard some facts about DA, searched through the threads, found a good one, and asked a question about it. This thread is a good read too.

I'm gay and I've been entertained by this thread. But I wouldn't have discovered it should it not have been "necromanced"

Not really. The right thing to do would've been make a new thread.

Accidentally reading an entertaining post would not have come to pass if he had it your way.  But it's a matter of opinion, unless there are rules of ethics in this forum that I don't know of.

... anyway...

The romances you see on youtube regarding a male warden and Alistair came from the PC version that had the "equal love" mod.  PS3 versions can NOT be modded as such.  Therefore, you can NOT romance Alistair with a male warden on PS3.  But there are some characters (other than Alistair and some) whom you can romance without gender discrimination, regardless of version.

Modifié par Phoenix_Jackson, 11 décembre 2010 - 05:11 .

[BelgarathMTH]

Phoenix_Jackson wrote...

I didn't even know about "thread necromancy" (old fart here). But aubepin was just doing the right thing. Heard some facts about DA, searched through the threads, found a good one, and asked a question about it. This thread is a good read too.

I'm gay and I've been entertained by this thread. But I wouldn't have discovered it should it not have been "necromanced"

I basically agree with you, Phoenix. I was just taught that you're supposed to start a new thread if you want to talk about something and the last thread that discussed it is more than a few months old. I guess the netiquette rules aren't clearly defined.

Who knows, maybe some of the original posters will come back around, since the topic seems to be generating renewed interest.

I am also gay, and I deeply appreciate the chance to play a gay character in a Bioware game and have some stuff written for that. Alistair's romance works surprisingly well as a gay romance, although a few of the lines don't make sense and have to be rewritten in the imagination. One of the possible plot endings doesn't quite ring true since it involves a certain social institution that I doubt Ferelden is ready for.

(I wish this topic were in the spoilers forum, because it needs to be - could a moderator please move it?)

I always use Shadowkeeper to create gay characters in Baldur's Gate by messing with the gender settings, and I get the same kind of need to do some rewrites in my head. But it sure beats having every woman in the game coming on to me, and my having only the choice to be mean to them or else have them fall in love with me just because I'm nice to them. I want the option to say "I'm flattered, and I care about you deeply, but I only feel "that way" about other men."

And in NWN2, I always have to give Elanee the "friends" talk, and I'm never satisfied with my dialogue choices, because my character does love her like a sister by then, and I would explain to her much more openly why we couldn't be romantic with each other.

So, add my accolades to Bioware for including an actual gay male romance in DAO. I think the writer really understands gay men, because straight people think our relationships are the same as if one of us is like a woman, or acts like a woman, or wants to be a woman, which isn't true. The writer of the gay romance in DAO understands that a romance between two men has its own unique pyschological dynamics that involve completely masculine issues and biology.

Now if I only liked Zev a little more! He's the type of guy I'd have a fling with, and then he'd get bored with me and dump me because I'm too serious about life and about my duties, and I'm not funny or fun-loving enough for him. Alistair is the kind of guy I need to be with.

He cares about his duty like me, and he's open about his insecurities like me. I think we'd work very well together. And the whole thing about being "blood brothers" in the grey wardens who fall in love with each other is a classic gay love fantasy.

[Ryzaki]

Phoenix_Jackson wrote...

Accidentally reading an entertaining post would not have come to pass if he had it your way.  But it's a matter of opinion, unless there are rules of ethics in this forum that I don't know of.

... anyway...

The romances you see on youtube regarding a male warden and Alistair came from the PC version that had the "equal love" mod.  PS3 versions can NOT be modded as such.  Therefore, you can NOT romance Alistair with a male warden on PS3.  But there are some characters (other than Alistair and some) whom you can romance without gender discrimination, regardless of version.

Yes usually one doesn't necro a year old thread. It's pretty standard in most forums.

[Kevin Lynch]

Don't be worrying your heads about resurrecting this thread. Just carry on discussion or not as the case may be. Thanks.

[BelgarathMTH]

Kevin, is there any chance you could move this thread to Spoilers so we could discuss the romances more freely?

[ejoslin]

BelgarathMTH wrote...


Now if I only liked Zev a little more! He's the type of guy I'd have a fling with, and then he'd get bored with me and dump me because I'm too serious about life and about my duties, and I'm not funny or fun-loving enough for him. Alistair is the kind of guy I need to be with.

Zevran will surprise you.  His romance does NOT finish like this. At all.

[ArawnNox]

ejoslin wrote...

BelgarathMTH wrote...


Now if I only liked Zev a little more! He's the type of guy I'd have a fling with, and then he'd get bored with me and dump me because I'm too serious about life and about my duties, and I'm not funny or fun-loving enough for him. Alistair is the kind of guy I need to be with.

Zevran will surprise you.  His romance does NOT finish like this. At all.

This.
Ejoslin and I were just discussing this in another thread.

Edit: Infact, I think I'll port that conversation over here, since it's more relevent to this thread.
I romanced Zeveran because I kept hearing about how deep and good his romance was. After the game, I wasn't all that impressed. Come to find out, I totally missed the crowning moment of that romance. *sadface*

Modifié par ArawnNox, 12 décembre 2010 - 01:13 .

[asaiasai]

As a straight individual i still heartily approve gay folks have every right to be as miserable as the rest of us married schmucks lolz. I found Wade and Herren just adorable, artists are always just a bit different and Wade's Dragon Bone Plate pure art not to mention that all of my warden warriors transfer to Awakenings wearing it and even in the face of the new stuff it still manages to be a relevant item. Do not even get me started on the weapons he makes for me in Awakenings what he and Herren do is of no consequence with that kind of talent you just get out of his way and let him be who he is and consider yourself fortunate that he chooses to call you friend.





Asai

[BelgarathMTH]

ejoslin wrote...

BelgarathMTH wrote...


Now if I only liked Zev a little more! He's the type of guy I'd have a fling with, and then he'd get bored with me and dump me because I'm too serious about life and about my duties, and I'm not funny or fun-loving enough for him. Alistair is the kind of guy I need to be with.

Zevran will surprise you.  His romance does NOT finish like this. At all.

Well, I actually did finish or almost finish the Zev romance on my last playthrough, so I know he softens up a bit eventually, but I had to do a lot of uncomfortable joking around and choosing the wise-crack responses to get him there, just because I knew he wouldn't like me if I didn't make him think I could be funny.

So, basically, I couldn't be myself with Zev, because of the expected rejection if I was. With Alistair, on the other hand, I could completely trust him and relax and know that he would appreciate and love the real me.

That's why I felt so incredibly guilty about how I played it - I did something that I was guilty of in my youth more than once: I slept with Alistair, convinced him and myself that we were a couple, then succumbed to Zev's pretty face and flirty personality and slept with him. I think Alistair would have forgiven me, but I wanted to see where the thing with Zev would go, so I let Alistair down, and he hardened, and I couldn't go back at that point.

This time, I will NOT let Zev tempt me, darn it! I WILL stay faithful to the nice guy who's good for me instead of going for the flashy guy who's bad for me!

I think that the ability to provoke such emotional responses and investment in the character relationships is the mark of a truly special game.

[ejoslin]

BelgarathMTH wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

BelgarathMTH wrote...


Now if I only liked Zev a little more! He's the type of guy I'd have a fling with, and then he'd get bored with me and dump me because I'm too serious about life and about my duties, and I'm not funny or fun-loving enough for him. Alistair is the kind of guy I need to be with.

Zevran will surprise you.  His romance does NOT finish like this. At all.

Well, I actually did finish or almost finish the Zev romance on my last playthrough, so I know he softens up a bit eventually, but I had to do a lot of uncomfortable joking around and choosing the wise-crack responses to get him there, just because I knew he wouldn't like me if I didn't make him think I could be funny.

So, basically, I couldn't be myself with Zev, because of the expected rejection if I was. With Alistair, on the other hand, I could completely trust him and relax and know that he would appreciate and love the real me.

That's why I felt so incredibly guilty about how I played it - I did something that I was guilty of in my youth more than once: I slept with Alistair, convinced him and myself that we were a couple, then succumbed to Zev's pretty face and flirty personality and slept with him. I think Alistair would have forgiven me, but I wanted to see where the thing with Zev would go, so I let Alistair down, and he hardened, and I couldn't go back at that point.

This time, I will NOT let Zev tempt me, darn it! I WILL stay faithful to the nice guy who's good for me instead of going for the flashy guy who's bad for me!

I think that the ability to provoke such emotional responses and investment in the character relationships is the mark of a truly special game.

but but but...  you really DON'T have to joke around and wisecrack.  Zevran is incredibly easy to get along with -- the easiest of all the love interests, actually. 

For Zevran, actually, what you have to do is be decent.  You don't have to go along with the "yay yay murder" (though that will give higher approval) but at the same time, if you tell him how despicable he is, he won't like that either (makes sense, really).  

He makes jokes to gloss over uncomfortable subjects, but really, if you make him feel welcome, his approval will still go up.  And if you're going to the tent, sexytime makes up for those misunderstandings (though i've had playthroughs where they never went to the tent as well).

And at the end, he's completely serious about his feelings.  He tries to avoid it, tries to hide from it, and eventually, if cornered, will lay himself wide open.  And he will stick with you no matter what the cost to himself. 

gah, i'm squeeing all over another thread, aren't I 

Modifié par ejoslin, 12 décembre 2010 - 05:58 .

[BelgarathMTH]

Ejoslin, no, you're not squeeing. We're talking about all gay elements of DAO. Your input is welcome, and I love talking about my two favorite men in the game.



Maybe I could get away with being myself a little more with Zev. The thing is, he's got that whole assasin thing going, and think about how we met - the little bugger was trying his darndest to kill me, and he almost succeeded! I guess the danger is part of his allure.



I just have trouble with all that murder! I cringed when he told me the story of how he seduced one of his marks, slept with her, was proud of how he made her feel good about herself, then coldly carried out his "assignment". Brrr.



I guess another part of his allure is that the PC can fantasize that his or her love can redeem Zev from his sordid murderous past.



I still think there is a classical polarity between Zev and Alistair of the flashy, dangerous guy with a ruthless past and the good, decent, noble guy who is safe. My heart belongs with the noble guy, but sometimes my body has, um, other ideas.



So, I don't mean any disrespect to Zev. I certainly find him attractive. I just don't think he's the best partner for my personality type. I've been with guys like him in real life, and it just never ends well.

[caradoc2000]

BelgarathMTH wrote...

I still think there is a classical polarity between Zev and Alistair of the flashy, dangerous guy with a ruthless past and the good, decent, noble guy who is safe.

You'd probably prefer someone like Sky in Jade Empire then. He is like a light-side version of Zevran - he was originally intended to be evil, but that was changed during development.

[ejoslin]

The interesting thing is with Zev, I don't think it's love that gets him over his past. It's that he finally meets someone who values him for who he is -- this can happen with either a friend or lover.



I do think his story is one of redemption -- he goes from valuing nothing but himself (and not even valuing that when you finally meet him) to being proud and amazed that he is part of saving the world, that he is finally doing something of value, though being involved in this does cost him his freedom from the crows.



Zevran's and Alistair's love stories go in opposite directions for sure. You have Alistair desperately wanting to feel close to someone and fall in love, though he doesn't think of all the implications involved with that; when he finally does fall in love, he has to face it, and he does put some distance there between him and the warden. With Zevran, falling in love is the last thing he wants to do and he fights it with every bit of his being, yet even at the beginning, before the tent can even be brought up, he does ask about the future, and whether the two of you will be friends, lovers, fwb, or perhaps fairly committed. Part of keeping Alistair's relationship going (IF you make him king and are not a hn) is to convince him that sex and love can be separate. Of course, with Zevran, at least with the warden, sex is such an expression of love that he can't even go to the tent until he has a commitment.



I really like both love stories a lot. The one thing you get with either of them is a man who, in his own way, loves and will lay down his life for the one he loves. Alistair's has prettier words, Zevran's is more surprising.

[guitarbard]

Eunomiac wrote...

Until I can manhandle Alistair, Bioware is dead to me.

Old, OLD post, I know, but there's an Equal Love mod that I have installed so my FemPC could (wo)manhandle Morrigan.

But yeah, the gay aspect is awesome.

[ArawnNox]

AndrastesGrace wrote...

Eunomiac wrote...

Until I can manhandle Alistair, Bioware is dead to me.

Old, OLD post, I know, but there's an Equal Love mod that I have installed so my FemPC could (wo)manhandle Morrigan.

But yeah, the gay aspect is awesome.

I'd do this if it werent for the fact that I'd get driven crazy by the pronouns.

[Zjarcal]

ArawnNox wrote...

AndrastesGrace wrote...

Eunomiac wrote...

Until I can manhandle Alistair, Bioware is dead to me.

Old, OLD post, I know, but there's an Equal Love mod that I have installed so my FemPC could (wo)manhandle Morrigan.

But yeah, the gay aspect is awesome.

I'd do this if it werent for the fact that I'd get driven crazy by the pronouns.

Or becoming his "queen".

[BelgarathMTH]

All it takes to deal with the pronouns problem is a quick imagination that can rewrite almost instantly.
"Okay, that's for straight people, in my story he really said....." Happens at the speed of thought, which is greater and even more powerful than the speed of light.
As for becoming Alistair's "queen", come on, as a gay man, how could one not feel joyful delight at such a delicious pun!

=]

[BelgarathMTH]

Well, I've gotten up to the point in my game where I've slept with Alistair, and gotten Zev into my party, and I'm already tempted again to go with Zev instead of Ali.

The same cute shyness and goofy humor that attract me to Alistair start to wear on me as the game goes on. (and on, and on.... this game is huge!)

Also, I really like that Zev is actually written as a gay romance. The relationship with Alistair for a male character is very close but just not quite true to life.

Plus, I already know (SPOILER.............) that things are probably not going to end well with Ali, whereas with Zev, I have a chance at something more permanent.

So, Ejos, I guess maybe you're right.

BTW - I highly recommend the new "Fabio" Zev morphs over at the Nexus, especially the ones with facial hair. You can either have the morph clean-shaven for a drop-dead gorgeous dark-haired model look, or use the unshaven versions, which make him look a lot more rogueish, masculine, and handsome, at least to me. I never could quite get into him as a long-haired exotic-looking femme blonde with tatoos all over his face.

Modifié par BelgarathMTH, 18 décembre 2010 - 04:54 .