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[andar91]

Xewaka wrote...

andar91 wrote...

Maybe we'll have to kill the sheep in DA2.

So we skin it and eat it? Cool!

It's an old joke made about DA:O's marketing as a dark fantasy.  I believe it originated from Maria Caliban, but LdyShayna (a mod) used it in her signature.

[Rawgrim]

Maybe Varric is just a contact, rather than a companion. Abit lime Aemon in the first game. That thought struck me when I first watched the trailer. If he is a companion, its obvious that he survives til the end of the game. No matter what. Wich isn`t really the norm, in the previous game. Most of the companions can be "dropped" and in some cases also killed. It kind of fits quite well that he isn`t a companion at all, really.

[Crimson Invictus]

Atakuma wrote...
Board the windows!

I'd suggest letting them in, retreating up the stairs, and then careful use of a molotov.

Just watch out for the spitters.

[Tinxa]

Juneya wrote...

Tinxa wrote...

They also did a Mhairi companion video and that didn't work out

Mhairi was a little obvious though.

"Hey guys! Meet your new companion, potato sack. She's kind of pretty, right? Her dream is to become a grey warden! She comes from a nice family, too."

First thought was ser jory, did you just grow breasts?

Aveline, however, has some angst, an interesting situation, and an unusual appearance. I doubt that she isn't a recruitable companion as opposed to a temporary.

EDIT: holy batman, I should rephrase that before I confuse people.
"My bet is that Aveline won't be a temporary. I think she'll be a recruitable companion, like Leliana."

It wasn't obvious to everyone  lot of people went "YAY Mhairi, finally a female warrior. We'll be best of friends in awakening"
And to me Aveline doesn't really look all that interesting. She's sort of average looking, someone you meet on the road in Lothering, just an extra character to help you fight darkspawn... she just seems a little vanilla to me.

[David Gaider]

Tinxa wrote...
she just seems a little vanilla to me.

Heh. I remember people saying the same thing when Alistair was first shown.

"Oh, he looks just like a regular warrior. There's nothing special about him at all. YAWN."

[Nerivant]

David Gaider wrote...

Tinxa wrote...
she just seems a little vanilla to me.

Heh. I remember people saying the same thing when Alistair was first shown.

"Oh, he looks just like a regular warrior. There's nothing special about him at all. YAWN."

Why bring Alistair into this? He's the most boring, one-dimensional character ever. Like Fighter, but without the random insights of supreme stupidity.

[xyzmkrysvr]

There has to be at LEAST one more male companion (hopefully he will also be the s/s LI...)

I hope it's Nathaniel *wistful sigh*



In DAO, there were two LIs for heterosexual male players, two LIs for heterosexual female players and two bisexual companions that could be romanced by gay/lesbian gamers.



I think DA2 will give us the same number of possible LIs (if not more)



In DA2, male PCs *might* be able to romance Aveline (Isabella is a safe bet) and female characters *might* be able to romance Varric (although I'm honestly not sure why they'd want to...)

I think it's safe to assume Isabella is a bisexual LI, judging from her behavior in DAO.



So the female/gay gamers need a (bisexual) male companion!



...Unless Aveline and Varric *aren't* LIs... in which case, we still need (at least) three more companions!

[Jon Jern_]

Ehh, I don't think I want half of my party consisting of my family.

[Rawgrim]

Jon Jern wrote...

Ehh, I don't think I want half of my party consisting of my family.

I would have to agree with that one.

[XX55XX]

Jon Jern wrote...

Ehh, I don't think I want half of my party consisting of my family.

True, but yet, if you think about it, BioWare has yet to do something like that in their games... I'd say, bring it on! So what if half of our companions are family? Familial bonds are something that are rarely ever explored in video games.

[David Gaider]

Nerivant wrote...
Why bring Alistair into this? He's the most boring, one-dimensional character ever. Like Fighter, but without the random insights of supreme stupidity.

Methinks the man doth protest too much.

A character being rabidly disliked is, to me, just as successful as one that is enormously popular-- which Alistair is, actually. My comment was that a lot of people look only at the surface, whereas a great many of our characters are enjoyable more because of their personality and their plot than how unique their appearance is.

They're not going to be universally appealing. Tell me which character could be and I'll let you write the next one-- it doesn't happen. Aveline will be liked by some, disliked by others. Some will think she's pretty, some will think she's ugly. That's nothing new.

[Ryzaki]

xyzmkrysvr wrote...

...Unless Aveline and Varric *aren't* LIs... in which case, we still need (at least) three more companions!

I lol'd so hard at your signature.

Though frankly I'd be pleased with a male romanceable mage. Who is nothing like Jowan.

[Apollo Starflare]

Maria Caliban wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

There are still characters (some of them party members) that we have yet to announce, who you haven't seen the slightest hint of yet. And some of the ones we have announced probably don't fulfill the role some of you seem to assume they do.

Food for thought.

What he means here is "Varric is not a love interest."

Oh no you didn't!

David Gaider clearly meant that Isabela is secretly a man and thus m/m relationship is confirmed.

On a more serious note: Interesting, I'll throw wild speculation at through the window that someone isn't a perm-companion. Can't see how we are wrong about Cass, if she had travelled with Hawke (even for a time) it would be reflected in the opening dialogue. Varric... Well sure we are being wishful with his potential romancability, but we have always been open with that fact, and other than that it all seems confirmed. Isabela? Definitely a full time companion (or Bioware crazy) but it could be aimed at her potential LI status I guess? Presuming a kiss = romance is actually a bit premature, especially considering what we know about Isabela.

But yeah, speculation is useless, Gaider is the Tease Master!

[Maria Caliban]

xyzmkrysvr wrote...

In DAO, there were two LIs for heterosexual male players, two LIs for heterosexual female players and two bisexual companions that could be romanced by gay/lesbian gamers.

I think DA2 will give us the same number of possible LIs (if not more)

More than four? Yes, Mass Effect 2 gave us five, but those characters aren't as fleshed out as those in DA:O (and I hope DA 2).

When it comes to resources, four love interests is already a lot.

[xyzmkrysvr]

Ryzaki wrote...

Though frankly I'd be pleased with a male romanceable mage. Who is nothing like Jowan.

I thought Anders was absolutely adorable (especially after he named that kitten Ser-Pounce-A-Lot)
And Finn (from the Witch Hunt DLC) was equally adorable what with his love of books and fear of germs/dirt. 
Alas, neither of them were romanceable (even by female gamers)! 

And while I'd be thrilled with a male romanceable mage who is also the s/s LI, at this point I'd honestly settle with ANY s/s LI...! 

[Nerivant]

David Gaider wrote...

Nerivant wrote...
Why bring Alistair into this? He's the most boring, one-dimensional character ever. Like Fighter, but without the random insights of supreme stupidity.

Methinks the man doth protest too much.

A character being rabidly disliked is, to me, just as successful as one that is enormously popular-- which Alistair is, actually. My comment was that a lot of people look only at the surface, whereas a great many of our characters are enjoyable more because of their personality and their plot than how unique their appearance is.

They're not going to be universally appealing. Tell me which character could be and I'll let you write the next one-- it doesn't happen. Aveline will be liked by some, disliked by others. Some will think she's pretty, some will think she's ugly. That's nothing new.

I probably should have tacked a smiling face onto my sarcasm, or something.

[tmp7704]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Yes, Mass Effect 2 gave us five, but those characters aren't as fleshed out as those in DA:O (and I hope DA 2).

It's because all that metallic carapace on Turians means there's less of flesh to speak of.
Well, that and their calibration OCD...

[Silentmode]

Maria Caliban wrote...
More than four? Yes, Mass Effect 2 gave us five, but those characters aren't as fleshed out as those in DA:O (and I hope DA 2).
When it comes to resources, four love interests is already a lot.

I'm seeing a pattern here...
KotOR-2
(didn't play Jade Empire)
ME1-3
DAO-4
ME2-6
DA2-?

[Apollo Starflare]

Silentmode wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
More than four? Yes, Mass Effect 2 gave us five, but those characters aren't as fleshed out as those in DA:O (and I hope DA 2).
When it comes to resources, four love interests is already a lot.

I'm seeing a pattern here...
KotOR-2
(didn't play Jade Empire)
ME1-3
DAO-4
ME2-6
DA2-?

It's official. This time we romance everyone, including our own sister.



I'll agree with Maria here, I liked the variety ME2 offered but I'll take a smaller amount of LI's with more depth to their romance over that any day.

[Rawgrim]

Baldur`s Gate 2 had 4 romances. 3 females, 1 male.

[nijnij]

David Gaider wrote...

Nerivant wrote...
Why bring Alistair into this? He's the most boring, one-dimensional character ever. Like Fighter, but without the random insights of supreme stupidity.

Methinks the man doth protest too much.

A character being rabidly disliked is, to me, just as successful as one that is enormously popular-- which Alistair is, actually. My comment was that a lot of people look only at the surface, whereas a great many of our characters are enjoyable more because of their personality and their plot than how unique their appearance is.

They're not going to be universally appealing. Tell me which character could be and I'll let you write the next one-- it doesn't happen. Aveline will be liked by some, disliked by others. Some will think she's pretty, some will think she's ugly. That's nothing new.

I wouldn't say he's one-dimensional. I started up not liking him much at all when Duncan killed Jory ; the fact that Alistair goes on to business as if nothing had happened just made me feel very alone all of a sudden, and my hope was that I could take advantage of the battle's confusion to escape from all these lunatics, go somewhere and be a rogue mage. Then he started moaning about Duncan's death while pretty much everyone was dead, asked me to come along on a big mission as if we had been budies forever, insisted on adopting Dog while refusing to take care of him ; I mean, really, I lost most of my respect for the guy ; just figured I'd use him as a human shield until we're out of the Wilds then I could go on a road trip with that cool witch Morrigan who seemed so much more interesting. So yeah, I didn't like him, but not liking him made me like the game ; I really thought it created narrative tension. When he moaned about Duncan again, it immediately made me befriend Sten, because I thought "I'm among strangers and psychos anyway". On a recent playthrough, I even told him Duncan "had it coming" and lost massive approval ; but to my surprise, you get to apologise a few days later. I really liked that.

To me, he starts to be really interesting when you learn about his bloodline and see how he refuses to accept it, meet his sister, etc. On the one hand, you've got the templar and grey warden, full of himself and being a clown, while on the other hand, you see his insecurity, which is what leads him to hide behind cheap humor and big armors and seek a father figure. So I definitely wouldn't say one-dimensional. I did think that about Morrigan for a big portion of the game until the Dark Ritual ; many of her lines start to make sense (there is still much to be done, etc. ; the voice actress did a fine job adding those nuances to Morrigan's otherwise self-assured tone), and you can get her to almost cry at Denerim's gates.

Sorry for the long post, it's just that I've always been an adventure gamer primarily ; my only goal when playing RPGs was to be able play a character that looked like me in a fantasy land and wear cool armor, and I was surprised to discover such character depth in an RPG. That's why I'm now waiting for DA2 !

Modifié par nijnij, 29 novembre 2010 - 03:26 .

[crimzontearz]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Silentmode wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
More than four? Yes, Mass Effect 2 gave us five, but those characters aren't as fleshed out as those in DA:O (and I hope DA 2).
When it comes to resources, four love interests is already a lot.

I'm seeing a pattern here...
KotOR-2
(didn't play Jade Empire)
ME1-3
DAO-4
ME2-6
DA2-?

It's official. This time we romance everyone, including our own sister.

SCORE 

[Drasanil]

So when are we going to get a look at an Elven party member?

We have Varric (who's awesome) and three human females. The fact we're stuck playing a human PC is already fairly gratting, and the apparent lack of party diversity isn't really helping things either.

[Crimson Invictus]

Drasanil wrote...

So when are we going to get a look at an Elven party member?

I can't decide if the correct response to this is down with pants or up with skirts.

[Drasanil]

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

Drasanil wrote...

So when are we going to get a look at an Elven party member?

I can't decide if the correct response to this is down with pants or up with skirts.

Does it matter? It's not like it's gay when it's with an elf