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[Karlosian]

Bought Awakening recently... Liked the additions and story... Loved every bit, was even thinking of buying the extra packs about Lelieana and Morrigan... until I ran into the "famous" Silverite Mine bug.

Spent a good 5 hours exploring every inch of the Forest and the Mine, the game religiously saves during the mine to ensure all your autosaves are roast by the time you run into this bug. Then ran into this bug... Lost all of my main character's gear... I do have a save from about a day's worth of play time prior to the entire Forest and some other area before that... But, given this bug has been around for NINE months, I expect better.

So, Bioware, I am boycotting the Dragon Age series and all packs until you guys fix this. I am a software developer... That you guys can't fix this is a shame and a sham. I've invested over $100 in a piece of software that has less support and patching that shareware? Please reconsider. Thanks.

[Master Shiori]

Or, you could do the same thing as everyone else here and use a workaround: Strip your character of any gear he might be wearing and enter naked. That way you won't lose anything.



Much quicker and easier than waiting for a patch.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The OP's point is that the devs should care more about their product and consumers than they apparently do.



But boycotting won't make a difference save for one fewer person to complain.

[Esbatty]

So far in all my plathrough I've never lost my gear. I always found the damn Darkspawn thats equipped with my stuff. The only time I lost any gear was when a certain partymember went batsh*t on me and I had kill them and all I got back was the chest piece of the armor and not the helmet or greaves or gloves.

[edeheusch]

Master Shiori wrote...

Or, you could do the same thing as everyone else here and use a workaround: Strip your character of any gear he might be wearing and enter naked. That way you won't lose anything.

Much quicker and easier than waiting for a patch.

As explained by the OP, all his autosaves were roast by the time he ran into this bug!
It is the main problem with this bug, to avoid it you need to know that it exist and keep a save before to enter the mines otherwise you can only reload an older save (if you have one!).
The worst is that the real bug was not even acknowledged as unresolved in the last patchnotes.

To answer to the OP, I don't think that a boycott would change anything, but because of the insufficient mean provided by Bioware* to resolve this sort of bugs, I will most probably not buy DA2.

*PS: I don’t care if it is Bioware's or EA's fault, the facts are that now Bioware belongs to EA so I don't expect any improvement for their next games.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Esbatty wrote...

So far in all my plathrough I've never lost my gear. I always found the damn Darkspawn thats equipped with my stuff. The only time I lost any gear was when a certain partymember went batsh*t on me and I had kill them and all I got back was the chest piece of the armor and not the helmet or greaves or gloves.

The Silverite Mine bug has something to do with the stats of your PC's equipment, or so I'm told. If your clone can't equip any of it, it's all gone. First time I played the DLC it was fine, but I wasn't wearing any of the new armour or weapons. My two other playthroughs I lost my gear both times and had to reload/run in nekkid to circumvent it. But I knew the bug existed by that point, so I'd made a hard save before entering the mine.

[AmstradHero]

Supposedly they couldn't issue a patch to fix the issue on consoles, and they won't issue a PC patch without being able to deliver it on consoles.

Of course, you could always get more than your money's worth by playing community made mods for absolutely no cost. Plus modders generally are very keen to get patches out to rectify any bugs encountered by players. Just a suggestion. :-)

[ladydesire]

edeheusch wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Or, you could do the same thing as everyone else here and use a workaround: Strip your character of any gear he might be wearing and enter naked. That way you won't lose anything.

Much quicker and easier than waiting for a patch.

As explained by the OP, all his autosaves were roast by the time he ran into this bug!
It is the main problem with this bug, to avoid it you need to know that it exist and keep a save before to enter the mines otherwise you can only reload an older save (if you have one!).
The worst is that the real bug was not even acknowledged as unresolved in the last patchnotes.

One: it's not Bioware's fault if people choose to ignore the sound advice of "save often, and in different slots".

Two: It most certain is acknowledged in the patch notes, along with the problem with the armor and sword not displaying properly.

To answer to the OP, I don't think that a boycott would change anything, but because of the insufficient mean provided by Bioware* to resolve this sort of bugs, I will most probably not buy DA2.

*PS: I don’t care if it is Bioware's or EA's fault, the facts are that now Bioware belongs to EA so I don't expect any improvement for their next games.

When patch sizes are dictated by game console manufacturers, it's hardly Bioware's fault if they are restricted by those limits as long as they release multi-platform games; as someone pointed out, they probably could have fixed it for the PC, but how would that help those playing on console?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

AmstradHero wrote...

Supposedly they couldn't issue a patch to fix the issue on consoles, and they won't issue a PC patch without being able to deliver it on consoles.

This I don't understand. :/ Political correctness in the computer game world, but stupid all the same.

[Yara C.]

FYI:
Awakening Silverite Mines Bugfix on Nexus
Readme.txt: "If you've saved AFTER the bug has occurred then this will not remedy the situation."

Modifié par Yara Cousland, 29 novembre 2010 - 12:16 .

[edeheusch]

ladydesire wrote...

When patch sizes are dictated by game console manufacturers, it's hardly Bioware's fault if they are restricted by those limits as long as they release multi-platform games; as someone pointed out, they probably could have fixed it for the PC, but how would that help those playing on console?

I did not buy the console version of DAO and I do not even own a console. The fact that Bioware (or EA) choose to develop the game on multiple platform to be able to sell it to more customers (and then earn more money) is absolutely not an excuse for providing less support (to any version of the game) than should have been provided if it wasn’t multiplatform.

And when Bioware guys spoke about the bug that they “were not able to fix” in patch 1.04, they never spoke about the fact that you could lose your items in the mines. The only reference to the silverite mine was when they explained that a bug could happen if the player manages to enter the mine without Velanna.  

Modifié par edeheusch, 29 novembre 2010 - 12:48 .

[Arthur Cousland]

One point to make is that this bug should have never remained after testing. How could they have not run into this bug? No patches would have been needed if this issue was fixed before release.



I'm hesitant to buy DA2 until I see what kinds of bugs exist and how quickly they get patched. Even after 1.04, there are many bugs that have existed since release and have yet to be fixed. I'd like to see Bioware actually take their time with DA2 to make sure that things are done right, and the game doesn't feel like Awakening with a rushed feel and gets released full of bugs that should have never made it past testing. DA2 has had a fast development and I'm not sure what to think of it until release. Hopefully it turns out to be worthy successor to Origins. Until then, I'm taking a wait-and-see approach.

[Zy-El]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...
Supposedly they couldn't issue a patch to fix the issue on consoles, and they won't issue a PC patch without being able to deliver it on consoles.

This I don't understand. :/ Political correctness in the computer game world, but stupid all the same.

The all-or-none patching policy has nothing to do with "political correctness".  Bioware is contractually obligated to release patches to all platforms or none at all.  This is a binding agreement between Bioware, Micro$oft and $ony.  It is a pre-condition that Bioware had to abide by in order that Micro$oft and $ony would allow Dragon Age onto their platforms.  Bioware had to also jump through a number of QA hurdles before even being allowed to patch Dragon Age on those platforms.  As a result, every patch version cost them through the teeth.

Bioware could have just made DA for the PC and patched the game however and whenever they pleased.  But being able to distribute the game onto gaming consoles and increasing the market share was too tempting.  Greed won out!! 

[Karlosian]

I think this whole "can't pach the PC game till the console games are patched" is a red herring and a non-issue. They could have fixed the game to NOT induce the bug and they could have done that instantly (some random person wrote a mod to do it). They could have worked on fixing saved games later. I hope the implication is not that in 9 months, they cannot figure out a way to patch the consoles... They have released two patches since, fixing WAY more trivial stuff than this.



The main problem I have with this is that I have the Collector's Edition and all the packs and special trinkets here and there... What else is hosed for me? Do I need to read a walktrhough with full spoilers and ruin the game for myself just to "be safe"? If I download more content... What else will be hosed? Will I discover 95% through the next pack I install that I hosed myself at the very start because I had a special helmet or some other trinket? Isn't the reason most people pay the little extra for the Collector's Edition and the side adventures with special rewards to get the little extra privilege in the game? Not to get hosed in the game?

[Trams]

Yara Cousland wrote...

FYI:
Awakening Silverite Mines Bugfix on Nexus
Readme.txt: "If you've saved AFTER the bug has occurred then this will not remedy the situation."

If you want to fix it after you could always use something like the "add any item" mod. Like the name suggest it can be used to add any item to the inventory, for instance ones lost to this bug.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Zy-El wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...
Supposedly they couldn't issue a patch to fix the issue on consoles, and they won't issue a PC patch without being able to deliver it on consoles.

This I don't understand. :/ Political correctness in the computer game world, but stupid all the same.

The all-or-none patching policy has nothing to do with "political correctness".  Bioware is contractually obligated to release patches to all platforms or none at all.  This is a binding agreement between Bioware, Micro$oft and $ony.  It is a pre-condition that Bioware had to abide by in order that Micro$oft and $ony would allow Dragon Age onto their platforms.  Bioware had to also jump through a number of QA hurdles before even being allowed to patch Dragon Age on those platforms.  As a result, every patch version cost them through the teeth.

Bioware could have just made DA for the PC and patched the game however and whenever they pleased.  But being able to distribute the game onto gaming consoles and increasing the market share was too tempting.  Greed won out!! 

Wow, thanks for explaining that. o_O Nuts. What delights we have to look forward to in DA2

[Sir Lemons]

I must say that DA:O is by far the best RPG I´ve ever played, but I´m rather confused with all these bugs. In DA:O for example, almost half of the ´´bonuses´´ you get from weapons and armor, such as + % healing, + / - hostility and such are not implemented into the game, and I really can´t see why. And after buying awakening I was chocked by the amount of game breaking bugs in it, even though I still love the games. I´m used to playing games from Valve / Blizzard, and to be honest if a bug appears in one of their games, it´s usualy fixed in a matter of days.

[Dean_the_Young]

Karlosian wrote...

Bought Awakening recently... Liked the additions and story... Loved every bit, was even thinking of buying the extra packs about Lelieana and Morrigan... until I ran into the "famous" Silverite Mine bug.

Spent a good 5 hours exploring every inch of the Forest and the Mine, the game religiously saves during the mine to ensure all your autosaves are roast by the time you run into this bug. Then ran into this bug... Lost all of my main character's gear... I do have a save from about a day's worth of play time prior to the entire Forest and some other area before that... But, given this bug has been around for NINE months, I expect better.

So, Bioware, I am boycotting the Dragon Age series and all packs until you guys fix this. I am a software developer... That you guys can't fix this is a shame and a sham. I've invested over $100 in a piece of software that has less support and patching that shareware? Please reconsider. Thanks.

Since you've already paid... well, 'sucker' if they're malevolent, 'so sad, I'm crying, really' if they aren't.

[Funkjoker]

Sir Lemons wrote...

and to be honest if a bug appears in one of their games, it´s usualy fixed in a matter of days.

Welcome to the patch policy of EA and BioWare. We don't get any information, requests are ignored and nobody knows if there will be patch for DAO/DAA again.

[tesoljedi]

My Xbox 360 awakenings keeps crashing inside Kal'Sharok, right after you find the dead dwarf. Has this happened to anyone else? Any suggestions?



If I delete the extra content, perhaps, and reinstall it, will that fix it? And will I have to pay for awakenings again?



This sucks.

[TJPags]

To the OP:  The bug does indeed suck.  Personally, I've never experienced it (no idea why) but I've been hit with others, and I agree, it's deplorable that such a simple bug that's so game-breaking could have made it past QA testing.  The whole "we can't patch it because of the size of the fix" thing is also something I view as BS.  We're not talking about a minor cosmetic issue, we're talking about a game-breaking bug.  A way should be found to fix it, even if they have to expand the size of the patch that MS or Sony allow.

That said, it's not going to be fixed.  It's been, as you say, close to a year.  They haven't done it yet.  At this point, they're more concerned with DA2 then with fixing an existing game.

However, 'boycotting' only goes so far.  Refuse to buy other DLC or to buy DA2, I get.  But if you mean to refuse to play the game you already have, well, that hurts nobody but you.

To everyone in this thread who seems to be criticizing the OP for his reaction to this issue:  Are you kidding me?  So what if this is a known issue?  The OP didn't know about it.  The OP got screwed by it.  Lots of people got screwed by it.  Simply saying that "this is a known issue", and that "there is a simple work-around" is crap, IMO.  This isn't a problem created by mods, or some user-created issue through exploits or cheats.  It's a bug created not by any mods, but permitted by the game itself, following all it's rules, and it's pretty damn big.  It's existence shouldn't be excused or down played in any way.  It should never exist on the shipped game in the first place.

So stop villifying people who are upset by this bug, and stop excusing Bioware for it.  It should be unacceptable, and Bioware should be clearly made aware that people find it unaccepable.

Also, releasing games on multiple platforms is not evil.  It's business.  And it's good business.  And if the multiple platform contracts tell Bioware that they have to fix bugs for all platforms or none, I find that commendable.  BUT, when there is an issue like this, and it's the size of the allowable patch that prevents a fix, THAT requirement needs to be over-ridden.  Because THAT is simply good business, as well.

tesoljedi wrote...

My Xbox 360 awakenings keeps crashing inside Kal'Sharok, right after you find the dead dwarf. Has this happened to anyone else? Any suggestions?

If I delete the extra content, perhaps, and reinstall it, will that fix it? And will I have to pay for awakenings again?

This sucks.

I've never seen this before.  I assume it's happened multiple times?  What extra content do you mean?  DLC's?  Which ones?

I really have no suggestion at this point, except the old standby, try to clear your cache and see if it happens again.  Sorry.

[Dark Lilith]

wow a boycott.well good luck,I just did the work around

[BlazingSpeed]

Also, releasing games on multiple platforms is not evil.

I could help but laugh at that one,

[psychoadvocate]

I experienced the bug, yet I was able to get all of my armor and weapons back. Only thing I could not do was reenter the mines after I recruited Veleena.

[smutsig]

well im totally f'ed i give up on this game first i had problems with the dlcs and now this and on top of that i cant get the console to work although i know im doing everything correctly so i cant use the add any item mod and i dont have any save before the mines.......