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[taetertot]

I agree with some of the posters who have pointed out, the glitch is very easy to avoid. All in all, given how great this game is, it really does not seem like the sort of thing where you'd stop buying Bioware games. Don't get me wrong, I get plenty of rage, and there's no end to the list of companies I stopped buying from. But Bioware isn't one of them.

[Kurt M.]

I seriously don't understand what are betatesters for, or what they do in their work time (because they obviously DON'T work). I guess they dedicate themselves just to "play the game". If that alone makes somebody a betatester, I've been one myself for two decades

I mean, I still can't understand how a lot of skills/talents/spells don't work correctly (some of them even extremely easy to detect, like the Haste bug...do they even bother to spend 5 miserable minutes on every skill to ensure it works as intended?), or how terrible bugs can be spared from the final game (Vigilance bug, the Silverite Mines' one (had to replay that level 2 times, thanks by the way), the fact that you cannot complete certain Joining subquests if the last "Joinable" char that you recruit requires talking to the Seneschal Varel in order to begin their ceremony (that has happened to me with Sigrun right now, and now I can't begin her Joining. I think it's the same for Velanna, too), and tons of other annoying bugs that I don't remember right now.

Bioware, an advice...please fire the DA / DA:A betatesters and replace them with competent people. That way, maybe fans could avoid having to create things like a bugfix pack with 30+ fixed skills.

Modifié par Gladiador2, 18 décembre 2010 - 12:18 .

[neodreamweaver]

Think I might join on that boycott.

its not nice to have an entire gaming day ruined by a Major bug, would of been lovely to have known about it in advance without having to restart awakening from the beginning.

[ladydesire]

Gladiador2: many of those "fixes" are personal preference ones, as several of the items don't work as people want them to; I'c prefer that they were classified as "tweaks" by the mod author for that reason.



neodreamweaver: Are you one of those people that doesn't like to save often? That's the only reason to start over if you get hit by a bug like the Silverite Mines bug.

[USArmyParatrooper]

I experienced this bug recently and let me tell you, of ALL the bugs this should have certainly been a priority. I was screwed. Up to that point I quick-saved frequently not knowing that quick saves only save the last. What I was left with is a quick save and a bunch of autosaves, all of which took placed AFTER the bug had occurred. All of my equipment - countless hours of going out on missions, saving up gold and finding the right rune stones all gone in a flash. I ended up having to re-import my character and start over.

Modifié par USArmyParatrooper, 27 décembre 2010 - 02:00 .

[Sir Lemons]

These bugs are a pain, yes, but at least sometimes you can escape them by luck. The thing that actualy bothers me the most is that more than 50% of all the item bonuses in the game doesn't work. From what I've gathered almost non of the .+ / - healing %, weaken nearby darkspawn and so on actualy work. And this isn't just for Awakening, it's for all DLC's and DA:O. How could this possibly have been overlooked?

[13Dannyboy13]

Sir Lemons wrote...

These bugs are a pain, yes, but at least sometimes you can escape them by luck. The thing that actualy bothers me the most is that more than 50% of all the item bonuses in the game doesn't work. From what I've gathered almost non of the .+ / - healing %, weaken nearby darkspawn and so on actualy work. And this isn't just for Awakening, it's for all DLC's and DA:O. How could this possibly have been overlooked?

How? Lack of, or poor testing most likely, coupled with the fact that most of the effort was being put into rushing out new games like ME3 and DA2, which going to be out in a few months.  The support for this game just wasn't there from day one, it took ten months to get a real patch for consoles and in that time were multiple dlc which had many bugs as well. I have to agree with you about a lot of the effects not working as well, the healing% never worked at all from what I saw, or if it did the amount was so tiny that is was unnoticable. It just seems to me that the effort to actually get this game working properly wasn't there. That is why I'm waiting till DA2 has been out for a while before I decide to buy it or not, either way I'll rent it first.

[Sir Lemons]

I agree, and in most other cases I would simply give up and go elsewhere, but this game is just so outrageously good. I love the story, the characters, every last piece of it. And that's why I find it so fantasticly annoying when it doesn't work properly, since it really ruins a great game. But I guess we'll just have to hope for Bioware to come around I guess, but from what I've gathered from these forums, the developers rarely listen nor talks to the community.

[Last Darkness]

Hows the boycott working out, making any progress yet?

[Angband21]

Gladiador2 wrote...

I seriously don't understand what are betatesters for, or what they do in their work time (because they obviously DON'T work). I guess they dedicate themselves just to "play the game". If that alone makes somebody a betatester, I've been one myself for two decades

I mean, I still can't understand how a lot of skills/talents/spells don't work correctly (some of them even extremely easy to detect, like the Haste bug...do they even bother to spend 5 miserable minutes on every skill to ensure it works as intended?), or how terrible bugs can be spared from the final game (Vigilance bug, the Silverite Mines' one (had to replay that level 2 times, thanks by the way), the fact that you cannot complete certain Joining subquests if the last "Joinable" char that you recruit requires talking to the Seneschal Varel in order to begin their ceremony (that has happened to me with Sigrun right now, and now I can't begin her Joining. I think it's the same for Velanna, too), and tons of other annoying bugs that I don't remember right now.

Bioware, an advice...please fire the DA / DA:A betatesters and replace them with competent people. That way, maybe fans could avoid having to create things like a bugfix pack with 30+ fixed skills.

We are the beta testers! Keeps costs down for Beware/EA if you sell the product and have the customers Beta Test it, and then have tell them fix it with the ToolKit or just work around the problem.

Anyone who thinks that this is a EA driven problem should look back at Shadows over Amn and recall how many user created fixes were required for certain elements of that game.  Romances that died or got stuck( fixed by user created mod); weapon stats that didn't work(fixed by user created mods) 

Hmmmm. Is there a pattern?


Let the whining and flaming begin from the Fannies.

[Wournos]

Last Darkness wrote...

Hows the boycott working out, making any progress yet?

At least the OP, and the rest of us who tends to boycott things if we're unhappy, can feel some sort of pride that we're not sheep who settle for half-assed products, or products made with questionable means/workforce/material/whateveryouliketoputhere.
I boycott a lot of things. McDonalds, products from China, anything related to Israel, Awakening, Comhem (swedish internet/phone/tv provider) to name a few. It will most likely go unnoticed by the companies, but at least I feel pride in standing up for my beliefs and my morals.
Also, an unhappy customer is never good PR.

[Dayshadow]

It's been 30 days into the strike. I just know Bioware is about to cave at any moment. Just hang in there, mate!  That 60 or so bucks you're costing them has to be hurting their wallets big time.

[Last Darkness]

Wournos wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Hows the boycott working out, making any progress yet?

At least the OP, and the rest of us who tends to boycott things if we're unhappy, can feel some sort of pride that we're not sheep who settle for half-assed products, or products made with questionable means/workforce/material/whateveryouliketoputhere.
I boycott a lot of things. McDonalds, products from China, anything related to Israel, Awakening, Comhem (swedish internet/phone/tv provider) to name a few. It will most likely go unnoticed by the companies, but at least I feel pride in standing up for my beliefs and my morals.
Also, an unhappy customer is never good PR.

Well thats all fine and good, your reasons are for doing it for yourself, Great self respect there. The problem is when you either decide to force your opinions on other people particularly with a selfish viewpoint never taking into consideration that other people are well other individual people. Or when you are honestly trying to make a differance or change without actualy doing anything that will acheive your goal.

Theres a big differance.

Modifié par Last Darkness, 29 décembre 2010 - 05:46 .

[Wournos]

Last Darkness wrote...

Wournos wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Hows the boycott working out, making any progress yet?

At least the OP, and the rest of us who tends to boycott things if we're unhappy, can feel some sort of pride that we're not sheep who settle for half-assed products, or products made with questionable means/workforce/material/whateveryouliketoputhere.
I boycott a lot of things. McDonalds, products from China, anything related to Israel, Awakening, Comhem (swedish internet/phone/tv provider) to name a few. It will most likely go unnoticed by the companies, but at least I feel pride in standing up for my beliefs and my morals.
Also, an unhappy customer is never good PR.

Well thats all fine and good, your reasons are for doing it for yourself, Great self respect there. The problem is when you either decide to force your opinions on other people particularly with a selfish viewpoint never taking into consideration that other people are well other individual people. Or when you are honestly trying to make a differance or change without actualy doing anything that will acheive your goal.

Theres a big differance.

I think (most) people are smart enough to make a decision of their own based on what they know, regardless of the matter. I read this entire thread yesterday and I don't recall a single post where someone tries to persuade others to join the boycott.
I, personally, would never try to persuade anyone to join my own boycotts. If others are interested in my reasons why, I would explain to them, but it's always up to the person listening to decide if they want to do the same or not.

[Sir Lemons]

Boycott enforcing fanatics or no, I think we can all agree that a few basic fixes to the game would be welcome.



(Make that quite a few for Awakenings ;P)

[Last Darkness]

Wournos wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Wournos wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Hows the boycott working out, making any progress yet?

At least the OP, and the rest of us who tends to boycott things if we're unhappy, can feel some sort of pride that we're not sheep who settle for half-assed products, or products made with questionable means/workforce/material/whateveryouliketoputhere.
I boycott a lot of things. McDonalds, products from China, anything related to Israel, Awakening, Comhem (swedish internet/phone/tv provider) to name a few. It will most likely go unnoticed by the companies, but at least I feel pride in standing up for my beliefs and my morals.
Also, an unhappy customer is never good PR.

Well thats all fine and good, your reasons are for doing it for yourself, Great self respect there. The problem is when you either decide to force your opinions on other people particularly with a selfish viewpoint never taking into consideration that other people are well other individual people. Or when you are honestly trying to make a differance or change without actualy doing anything that will acheive your goal.

Theres a big differance.

I think (most) people are smart enough to make a decision of their own based on what they know, regardless of the matter. I read this entire thread yesterday and I don't recall a single post where someone tries to persuade others to join the boycott.
I, personally, would never try to persuade anyone to join my own boycotts. If others are interested in my reasons why, I would explain to them, but it's always up to the person listening to decide if they want to do the same or not.

I have no idea why we are arguing.
So I put unto you
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

now we have something to argue

[Kastagir]

How does one "boycott" a game which you've already paid for? The only way you can express your displeasure effectively is to not purchase DA2 (or any other Bioware products).

Bioware painted itself into a corner with contract agreements with the publisher and with the console manufacturers. Their abilities to fix the game have been somewhat limited due to these constraints. However, this does not explain why things like Find Vitals remain broken after nearly 10 months. Bioware would prefer to ignore the community now that it has the proceeds from DA:O. This is not a business model I can support. It also remains to be seen whether Bioware has learned anything at all from this debacle. The same restrictions may likely prevent them from ever providing fixes for DA2 after its release.

Let the lemmings buy DA2. Until DA:O gets patched, I'm saving my money.

[Wournos]

Last Darkness wrote...

Wournos wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Wournos wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Hows the boycott working out, making any progress yet?

At least the OP, and the rest of us who tends to boycott things if we're unhappy, can feel some sort of pride that we're not sheep who settle for half-assed products, or products made with questionable means/workforce/material/whateveryouliketoputhere.
I boycott a lot of things. McDonalds, products from China, anything related to Israel, Awakening, Comhem (swedish internet/phone/tv provider) to name a few. It will most likely go unnoticed by the companies, but at least I feel pride in standing up for my beliefs and my morals.
Also, an unhappy customer is never good PR.

Well thats all fine and good, your reasons are for doing it for yourself, Great self respect there. The problem is when you either decide to force your opinions on other people particularly with a selfish viewpoint never taking into consideration that other people are well other individual people. Or when you are honestly trying to make a differance or change without actualy doing anything that will acheive your goal.

Theres a big differance.

I think (most) people are smart enough to make a decision of their own based on what they know, regardless of the matter. I read this entire thread yesterday and I don't recall a single post where someone tries to persuade others to join the boycott.
I, personally, would never try to persuade anyone to join my own boycotts. If others are interested in my reasons why, I would explain to them, but it's always up to the person listening to decide if they want to do the same or not.

I have no idea why we are arguing.
So I put unto you
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

now we have something to argue

I've never been in argument with you. I commented
on your somewhat belitteling comment on the OPs boycott of future
Bioware products and you somehow trailed off by saying that it's not ok to force ones opinion onto someone else, which I don't believe anyone in this thread has done.

...and here we are.
If you're looking for a verbal fight then you have to get into that with someone else because I'm not interested. <3

[Sir Lemons]

If your character was 1 and a half meters taller, and didn't have a big nose, my character would totaly come on to yours, Wournos. But such is not the case, so let us return to the problem at hand. How do we FORCE Bioware to fix the bugs? Do we kidnap puppies? Do we burn down BW HQ? Should we set up a huge consert, get some famous people to play, and all sit around taking brown lsd and act like hippies?



Either way, the community needs to work togheter! Power rangers, unite!

[Tatinger]

Kastagir wrote...

How does one "boycott" a game which you've already paid for? The only way you can express your displeasure effectively is to not purchase DA2 (or any other Bioware products).

Bioware painted itself into a corner with contract agreements with the publisher and with the console manufacturers. Their abilities to fix the game have been somewhat limited due to these constraints. However, this does not explain why things like Find Vitals remain broken after nearly 10 months. Bioware would prefer to ignore the community now that it has the proceeds from DA:O. This is not a business model I can support. It also remains to be seen whether Bioware has learned anything at all from this debacle. The same restrictions may likely prevent them from ever providing fixes for DA2 after its release.

Let the lemmings buy DA2. Until DA:O gets patched, I'm saving my money.

The problem is that the 'lemmings' (I prefer the term 'sheep') continue to support their endeavours so there's no real incentive for them to fix the game as long as their coffers are full.  As Angband21 has pointed out, this isn't a new pattern of behaviour or business model for them (I don't know why longterm Bioware supporters seem to conviently forget this fact) but one is really left scratching their head as to why their fans seem to turn a blind eye to this and aggressively attack anyone who demands that they get a working product -- the way it was supposed to -- for their money. 

So, yes, indeed, let the sheep (or should that be guinea pigs?) buy DA2.  I, for one, am looking forward to another release date next year:  November 1, 2011.  That company, and game franchise, has earned my trust and unwavering devotion.

Modifié par Tatinger, 30 décembre 2010 - 01:23 .

[Dean_the_Young]

USArmyParatrooper wrote...

I experienced this bug recently and let me tell you, of ALL the bugs this should have certainly been a priority. I was screwed. Up to that point I quick-saved frequently not knowing that quick saves only save the last. What I was left with is a quick save and a bunch of autosaves, all of which took placed AFTER the bug had occurred. All of my equipment - countless hours of going out on missions, saving up gold and finding the right rune stones all gone in a flash. I ended up having to re-import my character and start over.

It's not like quick-save doesn't mention that little fact or anything...

[Dean_the_Young]

Wournos wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Hows the boycott working out, making any progress yet?

At least the OP, and the rest of us who tends to boycott things if we're unhappy, can feel some sort of pride that we're not sheep who settle for half-assed products, or products made with questionable means/workforce/material/whateveryouliketoputhere.
I boycott a lot of things. McDonalds, products from China, anything related to Israel, Awakening, Comhem (swedish internet/phone/tv provider) to name a few. It will most likely go unnoticed by the companies, but at least I feel pride in standing up for my beliefs and my morals.
Also, an unhappy customer is never good PR.

...baahahahahaha!

[Elhanan]

Sorry; a 30 second delay in play is not worth my time to boycott future products.

[Sir Lemons]

Elhanan wrote...

Sorry; a 30 second delay in play is not worth my time to boycott future products.

30 seconds? You my good Ser, speak of filthy lies! People who are not prepared for this bug may lose hours of gameplay. Besides, this isn't the only bug in the game that either stops you from progressing further, or severely spoil the fun of the game.

[Elhanan]

Sir Lemons wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Sorry; a 30 second delay in play is not worth my time to boycott future products.

30 seconds? You my good Ser, speak of filthy lies! People who are not prepared for this bug may lose hours of gameplay. Besides, this isn't the only bug in the game that either stops you from progressing further, or severely spoil the fun of the game.

No lies needed. As I was aware due to prior intel searches, and encountered no other game stopping bugs since the latest patch, I am content to continue my play. As for boycotts, I reserve these for my own fast food concerns, and have pre-ordered DA2.