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[Qset]

vilnii wrote...

I need to order Alpha Protocol

my thoughts exactly

[Vylan Antagonist]

I wonder if any of the Bioware crew ever regret the fact that Romanceable NPCs have emerged as an expectation in all of their releases? I mean, I can't think of many other western games with a similar feature; Fable is pretty much it, and really, Romance there just entails farting, dancing, and maybe waving severed heads around a few times. GTAIV has you bowling and playing darts until women like you enough to fade to black. Neither of these games even remotely approach the intricacy of Bioware's romances. I wonder if anyone could have possibly realized back in the days of BG2 that romanceable NPCs would end up being quite so endemic to all future Bioware releases?



David ends up writing most of them, it looks like, and he even has the (unenviable, in my opinion) job of writing a lot of the male LIs. I have to think that at some point, the seeming obligation to shoehorn in yet another romance to each release has to start to get a bit tiresome.

[Schuback]

Vylan Antagonist wrote...

I wonder if any of the Bioware crew ever regret the fact that Romanceable NPCs have emerged as an expectation in all of their releases? I mean, I can't think of many other western games with a similar feature; Fable is pretty much it, and really, Romance there just entails farting, dancing, and maybe waving severed heads around a few times. GTAIV has you bowling and playing darts until women like you enough to fade to black. Neither of these games even remotely approach the intricacy of Bioware's romances. I wonder if anyone could have possibly realized back in the days of BG2 that romanceable NPCs would end up being quite so endemic to all future Bioware releases?

David ends up writing most of them, it looks like, and he even has the (unenviable, in my opinion) job of writing a lot of the male LIs. I have to think that at some point, the seeming obligation to shoehorn in yet another romance to each release has to start to get a bit tiresome.

I think they themselve enjoy romance as much as we do. They're nerds.

[Heavenblade]

Vylan Antagonist wrote...

I wonder if any of the Bioware crew ever regret the fact that Romanceable NPCs have emerged as an expectation in all of their releases? I mean, I can't think of many other western games with a similar feature; Fable is pretty much it, and really, Romance there just entails farting, dancing, and maybe waving severed heads around a few times. GTAIV has you bowling and playing darts until women like you enough to fade to black. Neither of these games even remotely approach the intricacy of Bioware's romances. I wonder if anyone could have possibly realized back in the days of BG2 that romanceable NPCs would end up being quite so endemic to all future Bioware releases?

David ends up writing most of them, it looks like, and he even has the (unenviable, in my opinion) job of writing a lot of the male LIs. I have to think that at some point, the seeming obligation to shoehorn in yet another romance to each release has to start to get a bit tiresome.

10 years from now: A bitter and cynical David Gaider lays down his pen and asks "Where did it all go wrong?"

He looks longingly at posters from long gone games such as the Baldur's Gate series. Then he turns to the poster for the latest BioMance product: Little Sister Tentacle Mass Love Dragon Fest 5. He feels a deep feeling of despondency creeping in as the flickering fluorescent bulbs sear his retinas. Sweat trickles down his face and drips onto the keyboard and papers before him; line after line of erotic writing stained with tears and other bodily fluids. He begins to sob but is quickly interrupted by his taskmaster Kenji, who kindly reminds him that the art team cannot start drawing the art for the game until they have a story and dialogue.

"Why..? WHY GOD?!!? WHY?!!!!"

[Johnny Chaos]

farting should be apart of BW romances, it's essential in picking up girls

[ejoslin]

Vylan Antagonist wrote...

I wonder if any of the Bioware crew ever regret the fact that Romanceable NPCs have emerged as an expectation in all of their releases? I mean, I can't think of many other western games with a similar feature; Fable is pretty much it, and really, Romance there just entails farting, dancing, and maybe waving severed heads around a few times. GTAIV has you bowling and playing darts until women like you enough to fade to black. Neither of these games even remotely approach the intricacy of Bioware's romances. I wonder if anyone could have possibly realized back in the days of BG2 that romanceable NPCs would end up being quite so endemic to all future Bioware releases?

David ends up writing most of them, it looks like, and he even has the (unenviable, in my opinion) job of writing a lot of the male LIs. I have to think that at some point, the seeming obligation to shoehorn in yet another romance to each release has to start to get a bit tiresome.

I don't see why it would be, really.  I can't think of an epic story that doesn't have a romance in it.  It really doesn't get much better than love and adventure and saving the world.

[Spartansfan8888]

halO bendeR wrote...

Appropriately enough, Kotaku just did an editorial on what I find to be a major problem with Bioware's depicion of 'romance' lately. kotaku.com/5701668/the-problem-with-sex-as-a-video-game-goal

Bioware games are still on the top of my list when I think of games with great story, but one area I feel they sort of lag behind in is 'romance'. Sex has been the climax of all relationships since Jade Empire. I'm hoping more than anything that with the time gaps this will be something Dragon Age 2 can improve on.

That is a good point.  I never really realized/put thought into the fact that pretty much all the romances in those Bioware games put sex as the last complete step.  I guess it can be argued that Zevran is an exception to this rule but that is just one exception out of many.

Also- is it true that NPCs that are not part of our adventuring party are romance options?  I thought that was mentioned somewhere but not sure where.

[Vylan Antagonist]

ejoslin wrote...
I don't see why it would be, really.  I can't think of an epic story that doesn't have a romance in it.  It really doesn't get much better than love and adventure and saving the world.

Because these romances are being written for irascible RPG nerds. If I had a buck for every time I've heard someone complain about Anomen or Carth, I'd... Well, I guess I'd spring for the Super Prestige edition of DA2, that comes with a facial scar temporary tattoo, a jug of stage blood, and a Zhu-Zhu Nug.

[Vylan Antagonist]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...
That is a good point.  I never really realized/put thought into the fact that pretty much all the romances in those Bioware games put sex as the last complete step.  I guess it can be argued that Zevran is an exception to this rule but that is just one exception out of many.

I'd argue that both Jack and Morrigan are exceptions as well.

[Wulfram]

Of DA:O romances, I think only Leliana's really ends with sex. Alistair's could be said to, but really it carries on in the main plot.

[ejoslin]

Vylan Antagonist wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
I don't see why it would be, really.  I can't think of an epic story that doesn't have a romance in it.  It really doesn't get much better than love and adventure and saving the world.

Because these romances are being written for irascible RPG nerds. If I had a buck for every time I've heard someone complain about Anomen or Carth, I'd... Well, I guess I'd spring for the Super Prestige edition of DA2, that comes with a facial scar temporary tattoo, a jug of stage blood, and a Zhu-Zhu Nug.

But romances add so much to the stories.  You know Alistair would not have been nearly so popular had he not been a love interest.  Actually, what I found great about the romances in DAO is you really got to know the various love interests in a different way if you romanced them rather than kept them as a friend.  It added a lot of depth to the story for me for sure.   

[Chuvvy]

brain_damage wrote...

From what I've seen here in the forums, nothing's been anounced about the romances. Is it certain that we're going to have romances in the game at all?

Nope. Isabela just shoves her tounge half way down Hawkes' throat for fun.

[Xewaka]

Slidell505 wrote...

brain_damage wrote...

From what I've seen here in the forums, nothing's been anounced about the romances. Is it certain that we're going to have romances in the game at all?

Nope. Isabela just shoves her tounge half way down Hawkes' throat for fun.

I bet she did have fun with him, though.

[Marionetten]

Xewaka wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

brain_damage wrote...

From what I've seen here in the forums, nothing's been anounced about the romances. Is it certain that we're going to have romances in the game at all?

Nope. Isabela just shoves her tounge half way down Hawkes' throat for fun.

I bet she did have fun with him, though.

Don't misunderstand. It's just her way of saying hi. She does it to everyone.

Doesn't always go all that well. There was that one time with the Revered Mother...

Modifié par Marionetten, 30 novembre 2010 - 12:33 .

[crimzontearz]

Xewaka wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

brain_damage wrote...

From what I've seen here in the forums, nothing's been anounced about the romances. Is it certain that we're going to have romances in the game at all?

Nope. Isabela just shoves her tounge half way down Hawkes' throat for fun.

I bet she did have fun with him, though.

I think people are missing the fact that it's not Isabela frenching Hawke's tonsils of her own initiative but it is Hawke who pulls her over and kisses her

yeah


I am a sucker for scenes like that between two powerful characters

[ErichHartmann]

Vylan Antagonist wrote...


Because these romances are being written for irascible RPG nerds. If I had a buck for every time I've heard someone complain about Anomen or Carth, I'd... Well, I guess I'd spring for the Super Prestige edition of DA2, that comes with a facial scar temporary tattoo, a jug of stage blood, and a Zhu-Zhu Nug.

Are you serious?  A nerd calling out nerds.  Romances are an extra layer of character development and immersion.  Nobody forces you to pursue them either.   

[phantomrachie24]

With the 10 year span of the game, I would expect the romances to be more in-depth both before and after sex; otherwise it is going to be a looooong 10 years.



Of course they could go the other way and give you the ability to have multiple LI's i.e. one gets killed or leaves you and a few years later you get another one.

[Vylan Antagonist]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Are you serious?  A nerd calling out nerds.  Romances are an extra layer of character development and immersion.  Nobody forces you to pursue them either.   

Don't get your panties in a bunch; I enjoy the romances just fine. I'm just speculating on whether or not it ever starts to feel thankless and obligatory to write the things.

[Johnny Chaos]

phantomrachie24 wrote...

With the 10 year span of the game, I would expect the romances to be more in-depth both before and after sex; otherwise it is going to be a looooong 10 years.

Of course they could go the other way and give you the ability to have multiple LI's i.e. one gets killed or leaves you and a few years later you get another one.

Hawke: We've been having sex for the past 10 years, what's next?
Isabela: I haven't thought that far yet

[Blacklash93]

Johnny Chaos wrote...

phantomrachie24 wrote...

With the 10 year span of the game, I would expect the romances to be more in-depth both before and after sex; otherwise it is going to be a looooong 10 years.

Of course they could go the other way and give you the ability to have multiple LI's i.e. one gets killed or leaves you and a few years later you get another one.

Hawke: We've been having sex for the past 10 years, what's next?
Isabela: I haven't thought that far yet

Hopefully the writers can find the right pacing for character development over the 10-year span. That sounds like something very hard to pin down.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 30 novembre 2010 - 01:11 .

[Maria Caliban]

Vylan Antagonist wrote...

I wonder if any of the Bioware crew ever regret the fact that Romanceable NPCs have emerged as an expectation in all of their releases?

Yes. Chris Priestly.

Johnny Chaos wrote...

Hawke: We've been having sex for the past 10 years, what's next?
Isabela: I haven't thought that far yet

Hawke: Can you give it some thought?
Isabela: Sure. (pauses) We should keep on having sex.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 30 novembre 2010 - 01:11 .

[halO bendeR]

Hmm... I'd actually like to see what other ways Bioware could came up with to 'emotionally engage' the player if romances were off the table. I guess I should make a better attempt to get past the first area of Sonic Chronicles and find out

[AndrahilAdrian]

Bioware have written many romances over the years: anomen, viconia, jahiera, aeire, aribeth, valen, nathyrra, carth, bastila, juhani, sky, silk fox, dawn star, Liara, Ashley, Kaidan, Thane, Garrus, Jacob, Miranda, Jack, Tali, Morrigan, Leliana, Zevran, and Alistair to be exact. And all but one (Alistair's) sucked. Most were underdeveloped, corny, and added nothing to the main plot. I really wish Bioware would avoid fluffy love stories (which have no place in a dark, gritty game like Dragon Age) and focus on the story instead.

[Elrena]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

Bioware have written many romances over the years: anomen, viconia, jahiera, aeire, aribeth, valen, nathyrra, carth, bastila, juhani, sky, silk fox, dawn star, Liara, Ashley, Kaidan, Thane, Garrus, Jacob, Miranda, Jack, Tali, Morrigan, Leliana, Zevran, and Alistair to be exact. And all but one (Alistair's) sucked. Most were underdeveloped, corny, and added nothing to the main plot. I really wish Bioware would avoid fluffy love stories (which have no place in a dark, gritty game like Dragon Age) and focus on the story instead.

...You did NOT just diss the Valen romance. 
Oh, Oh...it is on, my friend. On.

[AndrahilAdrian]

I don't see why people fixate so much on romances (which are, after all, just relatively small side-quests) so much. There must be more threads on romance on these forums than combat, for crying out loud.