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AndrahilAdrian wrote...
Oh please. Name ONE time that actually happened in real life. The truth is that people are too busy trying to survive to think about love. This kind of thing only really happens in disaster movies (and Bioware games).
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
I think the setting for the romance IS realistic. it's not unusual that people going through dangerous times turn to each other.
Oh please. Name ONE time that actually happened in real life. The truth is that people are too busy trying to survive to think about love. This kind of thing only really happens in disaster movies (and Bioware games).
I agree with everything you posted here. Its exactly because pomances are a very real part of life that I feel cheated by the shallow "romances" Bioware puts forward in games like Jade Empire, NWN, Mass Effect, and (to a lesser extent) Dragon Age. If Bioware wants romance in their games, fine. But they should give it a proper role in the story that mirrors the importance of love in real life, or not include it at all. Optional romance subplots, like liliana and zevran's, are the opposite of "indepth" and should be scrapped.attend wrote...
I apologize if I came across as argumentative Elrena. I found Andrahiladrain point of view interesting and worth debate.
It is important to me that the writers of Bioware see the importance of indepth storylines (romances are a very real part of life) so they are not deleted in future editions for more action and bloodsplatter. If I wanted more of that I could just watch the news or play that dumb teaddy bear kill everything game. I want everyone to express their opinion. I think it makes for a better future game.
attend wrote...
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
I think the setting for the romance IS realistic. it's not unusual that people going through dangerous times turn to each other.
Oh please. Name ONE time that actually happened in real life. The truth is that people are too busy trying to survive to think about love. This kind of thing only really happens in disaster movies (and Bioware games).
Cesaer and Cleopatra
attend wrote...
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
I think the setting for the romance IS realistic. it's not unusual that people going through dangerous times turn to each other.
Oh please. Name ONE time that actually happened in real life. The truth is that people are too busy trying to survive to think about love. This kind of thing only really happens in disaster movies (and Bioware games).
Cesaer and Cleopatra
attend wrote...
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Cesaer and Cleopatra
Didn't she have a child with Ceasar? Man that woman got around. She is my heroJohnny Chaos wrote...
attend wrote...
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
I think the setting for the romance IS realistic. it's not unusual that people going through dangerous times turn to each other.
Oh please. Name ONE time that actually happened in real life. The truth is that people are too busy trying to survive to think about love. This kind of thing only really happens in disaster movies (and Bioware games).
Cesaer and Cleopatra
Mark Anthony and Cleopatra
also no. Anthony was a deposed general exiled to Egypt, and Cleopatra was his host. they lived in comfort. He and Cleopatra didn't have a "fire-forged bond" of the type ejoslin was talking about.Johnny Chaos wrote...
attend wrote...
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
I think the setting for the romance IS realistic. it's not unusual that people going through dangerous times turn to each other.
Oh please. Name ONE time that actually happened in real life. The truth is that people are too busy trying to survive to think about love. This kind of thing only really happens in disaster movies (and Bioware games).
Cesaer and Cleopatra
Mark Anthony and Cleopatra
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
attend wrote...
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
I think the setting for the romance IS realistic. it's not unusual that people going through dangerous times turn to each other.
Oh please. Name ONE time that actually happened in real life. The truth is that people are too busy trying to survive to think about love. This kind of thing only really happens in disaster movies (and Bioware games).
Cesaer and Cleopatra
errr...no. Cesaer and Cleopatra weren't going through "dangerous times", at least not like the ones in DA and ME. They weren't in any immediate danger at the time.
Wrong. It started at war. Cesaer conquered Egypt and then Cleopatra conquered Casaer. I can not tell you how many times my lame latin teacher went on about her being paraded into Rome with her tributes. It makes a better story than Helen of Troy. Ooops there is another one.AndrahilAdrian wrote...
attend wrote...
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
I think the setting for the romance IS realistic. it's not unusual that people going through dangerous times turn to each other.
Oh please. Name ONE time that actually happened in real life. The truth is that people are too busy trying to survive to think about love. This kind of thing only really happens in disaster movies (and Bioware games).
Cesaer and Cleopatra
errr...no. Cesaer and Cleopatra weren't going through "dangerous times", at least not like the ones in DA and ME. They weren't in any immediate danger at the time.
Modifié par attend, 30 novembre 2010 - 04:16 .
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
also no. Anthony was a deposed general exiled to Egypt, and Cleopatra was his host. they lived in comfort. He and Cleopatra didn't have a "fire-forged bond" of the type ejoslin was talking about.
Modifié par ejoslin, 30 novembre 2010 - 04:16 .
But they weren't "too people who turned to each other because they were going through dangerous times". They weren't roughing it out in the wilds with no one to rely on except each other. ejoslin was espousing the common misconception that going through a very dangerous time with another person somehow leads to romantic feelings for them. Cleopatra and Ceasar went through a dangerous time, certainly, but that wasn't the cause of their romantic attachment, which preceded their problems.Elrena wrote...
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
attend wrote...
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
I think the setting for the romance IS realistic. it's not unusual that people going through dangerous times turn to each other.
Oh please. Name ONE time that actually happened in real life. The truth is that people are too busy trying to survive to think about love. This kind of thing only really happens in disaster movies (and Bioware games).
Cesaer and Cleopatra
errr...no. Cesaer and Cleopatra weren't going through "dangerous times", at least not like the ones in DA and ME. They weren't in any immediate danger at the time.
As someone who had spent the last 6 months studying their relationship, I disagree with you. They were in a LOT of danger, due to the potential political repercussions of their relationship, which they were both aware of, not to mention the fact that Cleo had to be smuggled into Caesar's rooms in a carpet so that her brother wouldn't catch and EXCECUTE her. How much more danger do you want then that? There was a Civil War, like in DA, and the risk of assassination, like in DA...
she had children with multiple men. lolattend wrote...
Didn't she have a child with Ceasar? Man that woman got around. She is my heroJohnny Chaos wrote...
attend wrote...
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
I think the setting for the romance IS realistic. it's not unusual that people going through dangerous times turn to each other.
Oh please. Name ONE time that actually happened in real life. The truth is that people are too busy trying to survive to think about love. This kind of thing only really happens in disaster movies (and Bioware games).
Cesaer and Cleopatra
Mark Anthony and Cleopatra
They do form attachments but those attachments are comraderie and friendship, not romance (which is an entirely different beast). Do you know any soldiers who are married to their comerades-in-arms?ejoslin wrote...
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
also no. Anthony was a deposed general exiled to Egypt, and Cleopatra was his host. they lived in comfort. He and Cleopatra didn't have a "fire-forged bond" of the type ejoslin was talking about.
You honestly think, in war situations, people DON'T form incredibly close attachments? And that if there's a physical attraction, that it can't turn into more? Really? People fall in love, people get married, babies get made in all sorts of situations, even when the circumstances are dire.
Keep in mind, in DAO, it's not non-stop battling to the next safe station, where you take a brief rest to go back to non-stop battling until you hit the next safe station.
One thing I do not expect from a video game is for it to be able to portray anything realistically, from romance, to war. it's glamorized, because, well, there's just not enough time in the world to do that.
look, what the DAO romances do is give a framework, and you can build the romances/friendships, or not, as you see fit within those. I don't think that the conversations that are written in are the only ones that actually happen -- this is where imagination comes in.
It took 6 months before my husband proposed to me -- it took me 3 weeks to complete DAO, and there was a blight going on. Of COURSE the romance is not going to be as in depth as a real life one. that doesn't mean it can't be represented.
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
But they weren't "too people who turned to each other because they were going through dangerous times". They weren't roughing it out in the wilds with no one to rely on except each other. ejoslin was espousing the common misconception that going through a very dangerous time with another person somehow leads to romantic feelings for them. Cleopatra and Ceasar went through a dangerous time, certainly, but that wasn't the cause of their romantic attachment, which preceded their problems.
Modifié par ejoslin, 30 novembre 2010 - 04:24 .
Vylan Antagonist wrote...
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
Oh please. Name ONE time that actually happened in real life. The truth is that people are too busy trying to survive to think about love. This kind of thing only really happens in disaster movies (and Bioware games).
Well, this bunch:
http://en.wikipedia...._hikers_by_Iran
Can't recall which one, but Sarah Shourd plans to marry one of the other captured hikers and their love blossomed in their dire circumstances.
Does Patty Hearst count?
Vylan Antagonist wrote...
Good one, going a bit back in time. On a similar note, allegedly William Wallace and Isabella of France.
Modifié par leonia42, 30 novembre 2010 - 04:26 .
ejoslin wrote...
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
But they weren't "too people who turned to each other because they were going through dangerous times". They weren't roughing it out in the wilds with no one to rely on except each other. ejoslin was espousing the common misconception that going through a very dangerous time with another person somehow leads to romantic feelings for them. Cleopatra and Ceasar went through a dangerous time, certainly, but that wasn't the cause of their romantic attachment, which preceded their problems.
wow, ok. That is NOT what I meant. At all. Here, let me try to explain it a little more clearly.
Being in danger CAN bring people closer together -- if you're relying on someone, if someone is saving your life and you're saving yours, it stands that trust will form. If there is a physical attraction between two people, it can turn, surprise, physical and emotional. That doesn't follow that it ALWAYS happens. Or that the situation causes the attraction.
My point isn't that the Blight didn't play a role in the relationship, its that beginning a relationship with someone under the circumstances presented in DA (Loghain hunting you, the Blight baring down, etc.) isn't very realistic. I refer you to the wiki entry on "token romances" that I linked a while back.leonia42 wrote...
Ejoslin didn't say that they hooked up simply because they went through a rough time together. She was saying that that contributed to their relationship. I could say the same exact thing about my Warden Liao Mahaeriel and Alistair or any other coupling from Origins. Sure, there may have been feelings between characters regardless of the story's conflict, but that conflict (finishing the Blight) still played a huge part in their relationship. They wouldn't have been out in the middle of no where fending off darkspawn together otherwise.
Again, I refer back to my Luke and Mara analogy because I think that shows it quite well.. they didn't fall in love because they were forced to work together for common survival, in fact the love didn't really start between them for quite some time. But the seeds were sown then, that's when they first started to notice each other.
Also, I'm not saying everyone who goes through a hard time with someone of the opposite gender is going to fall in love with them (or even same-gender) but it can happen. And it does happen in Origins for many folks.
EDIT: Ok, got :ph34r:d there but my point remains.
*snort* Speak for yourself. My warden was lustin' after Ali and Zev before I even knew what I would name her. It was always going to happen, the Blight was just the catalyst.AndrahilAdrian wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
But they weren't "too people who turned to each other because they were going through dangerous times". They weren't roughing it out in the wilds with no one to rely on except each other. ejoslin was espousing the common misconception that going through a very dangerous time with another person somehow leads to romantic feelings for them. Cleopatra and Ceasar went through a dangerous time, certainly, but that wasn't the cause of their romantic attachment, which preceded their problems.
wow, ok. That is NOT what I meant. At all. Here, let me try to explain it a little more clearly.
Being in danger CAN bring people closer together -- if you're relying on someone, if someone is saving your life and you're saving yours, it stands that trust will form. If there is a physical attraction between two people, it can turn, surprise, physical and emotional. That doesn't follow that it ALWAYS happens. Or that the situation causes the attraction.
Ok, thanks for clarifying, but the warden didn't have a physical attraction to any of her companions before the crisis began. Its not "a physical attraction that, suprise, turned emotional". Its an emotional and connection that developed under circumstances that wouldn't allow for romance.
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
AndrahilAdrian wrote...
But they weren't "too people who turned to each other because they were going through dangerous times". They weren't roughing it out in the wilds with no one to rely on except each other. ejoslin was espousing the common misconception that going through a very dangerous time with another person somehow leads to romantic feelings for them. Cleopatra and Ceasar went through a dangerous time, certainly, but that wasn't the cause of their romantic attachment, which preceded their problems.
wow, ok. That is NOT what I meant. At all. Here, let me try to explain it a little more clearly.
Being in danger CAN bring people closer together -- if you're relying on someone, if someone is saving your life and you're saving yours, it stands that trust will form. If there is a physical attraction between two people, it can turn, surprise, physical and emotional. That doesn't follow that it ALWAYS happens. Or that the situation causes the attraction.
Ok, thanks for clarifying, but the warden didn't have a physical attraction to any of her companions before the crisis began. Its not "a physical attraction that, suprise, turned emotional". Its an emotional and connection that developed under circumstances that wouldn't allow for romance.
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