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Reapers have the potential to be REALLY scary.


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AdmiralCheez

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Aw, hell, another Reaper thread?  Yep.  Sorry.

Seriously, though, think about it.  They are capable of mind control.  They are each made of millions of dead sentient beings fused with cold machinery.  They are a mile long and have weapons that can cut through kinetic barriers like a hot knife through butter.  They have the power to twist living, thinking creatures into grotesque, mindless monsters.  They are perhaps billions of years old, hyper-intelligent, and have a thought process that is entirely alien to us.  Their motives and origins are unknown.  They are gods of destruction, and they have been subtly guiding us towards their desired end since we first reached the starts.

Now, why the hell am I not scared to death of these guys?

Maybe it's the Giant Terminator Fetus.  Or Trollbringer.  Or maybe it's because the only ones we've ever been up close and personal with were Sovereign and that dead one.  Now, Sov and the Derelict Reaper gave me chills, but I feel like so much more could have been done with them.  Maybe they're saving it for ME3, but I seriously want to feel threatened by these guys.  As in sh*t-my-pants, curl-up-in-a-corner-and-sob, scared to death of them.

Imagine watching someone's body slowly mutate into a husk/scion.  Imagine your mind being slowly stripped from you, a subtle whisper in the back of your skull that builds into a bloodcurling howl, to the point where you have no choice but to obey.  Imagine tiny alterations to your personality and thought-patterns twisting you into something you are not, without you noticing until it's too late.  Imagine carrying their hardware inside you, melded with you to the point that removing it would mean death.  Once they have you, you can't reverse it, you can't fight it.  You are doomed.

Now on top of that thow in the sheer firepower of these things.  Throw in their numbers.  Throw in the fact that they have the power to pretty much own every fleet ever constructed with or without their crazy techno voodoo.

Holy crap, right?  Problem is, playing these games hasn't made me feel that so far.  The epic level of hell these babies can raise has only been hinted at.  In fact, I think it was almost downplayed: I read somewhere that the Human Reaper was supposed to be more fetal and have oozing fleshy bits, but the developers were worried it would be "too disturbing."  Also, Trollbringer.

Well, screw that.  I am giving Bioware license to disturbing the living daylights out of me.  Why?  Because the alternative is just... campy.  God-machines gonna eatcha, oooooohhh, scary. *wiggles fingers*  Honestly, the badder these boys are, the more accomplished I'll feel when I kick their cuttlefishy asses.  Assuming I can kick their cuttlefishy asses.

So what do you think?  Do you want the Reapers' potential to be absolutely horrifying fully recognized?  If so, how should it be done?  Or does that level of psychological terror not belong in the Mass Effect universe?  Or, hell, maybe you think there's enough of it in there already, and I'm just missing it somehow.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 29 novembre 2010 - 10:58 .


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LordMandalore

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Sadly, I don't think Mass Effect will ever get to the level of Dead Space in fear factor. As much as I'd like it to.

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Really scary stuff gets when introduced characters die right and left in very ugly ways.

But since Mass Effect 2 this series has been a parody, and there's no chance for the Reapers to be scary.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 29 novembre 2010 - 10:51 .


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Zulu_DFA wrote...

Really scary stuff gets when introduced characters die right and left in very ugly ways.

But since Mass Effect 2 this series has been a parody, and there's no chance for the Reapers to be scary.


Hey, who's saying they can't rectify that in ME3?

@LordMadalore: Being rushed by necromorphs is a different kind of fear.  I was going for the more "oh my God, we are completely helpless to stop them, aren't we?" angle, mixed with a little Event Horizon mindf*ckery (minus the theological undertones and bleeding walls and stuff).

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 29 novembre 2010 - 10:58 .


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Making something scary is a lot easier said than done. For example:



"I read somewhere that the Human Reaper was supposed to be more fetal and have oozing fleshy bits"



That wouldn't make it scary, just gory.

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onelifecrisis wrote...

That wouldn't make it scary, just gory.


Actually, I'm no fan of gore myself, but there are ways to get something to look just wrong without it being bloody.  And I know fear is hard to pull off, but I'd still love to see BW try.

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I don't think we're supposed to be scared of the Reapers. Not "omgomgomgargh!" scared, that is.
I view them more as the dreaded harbinger. The relentless, unstoppable and inescapable doom of all sentient life.

Kinda like zombies. They're not very scary, really .. it's just a walking corpse that bites people .. but get trapped in a building surrounded by a thousand of 'em with no way to escape and you've got yerself a horror movie.

Modifié par Talogrungi, 29 novembre 2010 - 11:00 .


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I think the Reapers could've been scarier if in the prequel novels, Saren was actually a good guy and was slowly twisted into a monster over decades. Not just him, but a host of sleepers as well. From a dramatic standpoint, that would make the Reapers a lot more sinister... and a lot more intelligent too, since, well, Sovereign and Harbringer seem a tad wanting in that, as things are now.

Yes, I'm talking to you, Drew Karpyshyn. Lovecraft did it. Reapers are based on his Cthulhu Mythos. Missed opportunity. That and leaving the Blue Oyster Cult out of the ME2 soundtrack. Posted Image

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 29 novembre 2010 - 11:07 .


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Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

I think the Reapers could've been scarier if in the prequel novels, Saren was actually a good guy and was slowly twisted into a monster

If that's what you're looking for, read Retribution... seriously, its creepy

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I'm not going to lie, they were scary in ME1 when ME2 wasn't out yet. But now in ME2 they seem like a bunch of floating Darth Vaders. You can't deny that in ME1 Sovereign freaked you out. He was the only one we've seen and he was frightening by the way he spoke, and how he described the reapers and their cycle. With Harbinger, it's just like "Oh, it's just another bad guy. We'll beat him. Whatever."



-Polite

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Bioware had ME2 to do that, and they failed. I no longer care about the Reapers.

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And that, Polite, is the source of my frustration. Harby sort of ruined the whole "all-powerful, mysterious, and pure evil" thing they had going. They worked up Sovereign to be such a BAMF, and then in ME2 we have to deal with his dopey little brother. Here's hoping that the trend doesn't continue in ME3.

It's become a bit of a mantra for me now: you just can't have an epic story without an epic villain.

@kraidy: Well, let's hope they make an effort to de-harbify the Reaper threat in ME3.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 29 novembre 2010 - 11:36 .


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i wouldn't be surprised if the reapers were pissed off at the quarians, and threatened to destroy the galaxy because dumb stuff they've done.

i think quarians should stop being stupid for once... :D

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 29 novembre 2010 - 11:41 .


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@Future: Posted Image



Trololololo-lololo-lololol... My God. You're not even trying.

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PoliteAssasin wrote...

I'm not going to lie, they were scary in ME1 when ME2 wasn't out yet. But now in ME2 they seem like a bunch of floating Darth Vaders. You can't deny that in ME1 Sovereign freaked you out. He was the only one we've seen and he was frightening by the way he spoke, and how he described the reapers and their cycle. With Harbinger, it's just like "Oh, it's just another bad guy. We'll beat him. Whatever."

-Polite


Exactly what I am saying!

Sovereign is by far the only real Reaper and took the definition of menace to new dimensions, Harbinger is just another backyard Hollywood token evil with all his taunting.
Sovereign creeped the **** out of everything by simply being there, Harbinger is like some chatty old grandma with a cub glaring at you. She may still hurt you pretty badly, but you'd never call her threatening or even becoming close to be a menace.
Sovereign was just manifested danger in its purest form.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

Really scary stuff gets when introduced characters die right and left in very ugly ways.

But since Mass Effect 2 this series has been a parody, and there's no chance for the Reapers to be scary.


Sovereign was REALLY ominous in Mass Effect 1.  While it was destroyed in the end, it felt more like you'd delayed the inevitable than anything.  Then ME2 rolls around and the Reapers, originally a wonderfully fresh spin on the "Cosmic Horror" of HP Lovecraft, are degraded into cheesy, campy comic book villains who want to ASSIMILATE US...

Meh...

I hope Starcraft II does a better job of capturing the original essence of the Reapers (seeing as Blizzard seems to be taking cues from ME), but honestly, Metzen's just as likely to shoehorn the Xel'naga/whatever the hell the Dark Voice is into being a Sargeras clone.

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The best way to make Reapers scary is to make them shut the **** up.



Cthulhu isn't scary when it is a Chatty Cathy.

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"I know you feel this"
/facepalm

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mrsph wrote...

The best way to make Reapers scary is to make them shut the **** up.

Cthulhu isn't scary when it is a Chatty Cathy.


Not necessarily.  But its best not to treat such entities as characters, more like wrathful forces of nature.

If absolutely must have a conversation with an Eldiritch Abomination, Sovereign's cold, disinterested tone is the way to go, rather than "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL", and other such hammy lines.

Also, we need to have a villain or villains like Saren, enabling the villains to have sufficient characterization without loosing the creepy feeling such entities are supposed to trigger.

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onelifecrisis wrote...

"I know you feel this"
/facepalm


*widow headshot* and what, you don't?

I can't stand harbinger...it is a miserable excuse for a reaper.

I have my own reason for not fearing the reapers, but it involves the galaxy actually being able to stop them with tech that already exists by exploiting a major weakness of non-orgainc life.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

That wouldn't make it scary, just gory.


Actually, I'm no fan of gore myself, but there are ways to get something to look just wrong without it being bloody.  And I know fear is hard to pull off, but I'd still love to see BW try.


i like it,
then if it fails to meet your expecations, you can make another thread about it!

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seriously, gore =/= scary.
most scary movies today rely on gore and loud noises imo, i hope ME doesn't stoop to this.

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belwin wrote...

i like it,
then if it fails to meet your expecations, you can make another thread about it!

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seriously, gore =/= scary.
most scary movies today rely on gore and loud noises imo, i hope ME doesn't stoop to this.


Well, duh.  Gore is cheap and stupid.  What I meant is stuff that just looks like it shouldn't be that way, that has this weird creep-out factor that you can't put your finger on. Like this little bastard from 2001.

But the scariest stuff isn't about horrific visuals or sudden loud noises.  What I'm trying to get at is the feeling of utter helplessness, of having absolutely no hope of survival against the enemy you're facing.  In general, the "oh sh*t, we're f*cked" moment.  There is nothing more terrifying than feeling like you can't fight back.

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Giant homicidal dreadnought cthulus give me pause for thought.

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Have you read Retribution?

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Well Sovereign was really terrifying in ME1 and made the reapers look almost invincible. Harbinger in ME2 made the reapers look less menacing and stupid with his idiotic taunts. But i got to admit that the dead reaper to me was still pretty scary seeing how it can still brainwash and indoctrinate the scientists after being dead for 37 million years.



Kind of reminds me of the alien in the alien trilogy, at first they were portrayed as nearly invincible silent killers with intelligence,and then came the AVP films that made them look weak, stupid and easily killable thus they lose their menace.