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[naledgeborn]

I haven't seen one and I thought It'd be an entertaining topic to speculate on. I often find myself asking what would Duncan do and compare that to my actual choices. With some inspiration from Darkspawn Chronicles, I wondered what would have happened if the Warden died during the Joining/Ostagar and Duncan was the one rescued along with Alistair. Assuming he would stick around Fereldan and not flee to Orlais and reinforce the border with Wardens/Chevaliers and abandoned Fereldan to it's own devices. What decisions would he have made in the Brecilian Forest/Orzammar/Circle Tower? Would Anora be queen and Alistair grudgingly accept Loghain's conscription?

I'm pretty sure Duncan wouldn't have wasted time searching for the Sacred Ashes to cure Arl Eamon. If he did seek support from Redcliffe he probably would've abandoned the village and then killed Connor.
He would've killed the Swiftrunner and the Lady of the Forest
Would've sided with Bhelen and destroyed the Anvil
Saved the Circle 
Conscripted Loghain and made Anora Queen. (I'm sure about this because DG said that Duncan thinks Grey Wardens have no place being kings.)

How do you think Origins would've played out if Duncan were "the Warden"?

Modifié par naledgeborn, 30 novembre 2010 - 01:12 .

[Face of Evil]

Flemeth would have never saved Duncan. He had been a Grey Warden for too long to undergo the ritual.

But for the sake of argument, I suspect that Duncan would have headed for the Orlesian border to join the Wardens there. Gaider said that Duncan was too politically neutral to stop the Blight the way things ended up after Ostagar.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 30 novembre 2010 - 01:21 .

[naledgeborn]

Face of Evil wrote...

Flemeth would have never saved Duncan. He had been a Grey Warden for too long to undergo the ritual.

But for the sake of argument, I suspect that Duncan would have headed for the Orlesian border to join the Wardens there. Gaider said that Duncan was too politically neutral to stop the Blight the way things ended up after Ostagar.

I agree completely. But let's knock him upside the head with the same plot-hammer that bashes our Wardens. Knowing what we all know about Duncan how do you think he would've handled the treaties/civil war?

[Zjarcal]

I have also asked myself this many times. In my view this is how it would've gone:

Redcliffe: Kill Connor. It's the only way to be sure that the demon is gone. As for saving the village, I don't know. I could see him saying that this isn't the grey warden's battle, but at the same time he might want to save it to keep potential soldiers alive and well.

Circle Tower: He would've gone in determined to kill all abominations and mages if necessary, but since you get the Litany of Adralla, he'd end up saving the Circle.

Nature of the Beast: Kill the werewolves. The Dalish have a treaty and that's all that would matter to him.

Orzammar: Picked Bhelen, since he's the one who shows the biggest determination to send troops to the surface, and preserved the anvil. No way he'd just choose to destroy something that could help fight the darkspawn.

Haven: Wouldn't have done this quest. Searching for legends is not the grey warden's job.

Landsmeet: Definitely conscript Loghain. That would've been hard for Alistair.

Dark Ritual: Can't say for sure really. While he wouldn't have any problems with dying if he has to, he isn't against using any means necessary to help the grey wardens.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 30 novembre 2010 - 01:31 .

[naledgeborn]

I'm thinking Duncan would've gone US all the way. As far as the Anvil.... I'm reminded by the Eluvian in the DE origin.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 30 novembre 2010 - 01:28 .

[Face of Evil]

I think it's important to remember that Duncan was basically a pretty decent guy, albeit one who sometimes resorted to ruthless means to achieve his ends.



I think he would have saved the Circle of Magi, being sympathetic to mages.



He would have stayed to defend Redcliffe but would have sacrificed Isolde to stop the demon.



I agree he probably would have killed the Lady of the Forest and Swiftrunner.



In Orzammar, I think he would have supported Harrowmont because he was King Endrin's named successor.



I suspect Loghain would be conscripted. On the plus side, Alistair probably wouldn't leave the Grey Wardens as a result, because he'd no longer have as big a beef against Loghain for killing Duncan. And Anora would be made queen.



End game, no question: Duncan sacrifices himself to kill the Archdemon. He had only a short time before he had to go on the Calling anyway.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 30 novembre 2010 - 01:39 .

[Sarah1281]

Face of Evil wrote...

Flemeth would have never saved Duncan. He had been a Grey Warden for too long to undergo the ritual.

And a female Warden can never undergo the ritual and yet is saved anyway. If Duncan were with Alistair, Flemeth would have saved them both to give Ferelden a better chance against the Blight and Alistair would do for ritual purposes.

In Orzammar, I think he would have supported Harrowmont because he was King Endrin's named successor.

I think he would have supported Bhelen if he absolutely had to make a choice because Bhelen is the stronger ruler and more serious about darkspawn. What should Duncan care about what Harrowmont claimed Endrin said? 

Modifié par Sarah1281, 30 novembre 2010 - 02:43 .

[Sith Grey Warden]

The Eluvian was corrupted by darkspawn. It was a threat that needed to be destroyed. The Anvil, however, is an ancient dwarven device that created the greatest soldiers ever to fight darskpawn.



How exactly are you comparing them?

[naledgeborn]

Ancient artifacts of questionable ethics....? Not saying he would mos def not keep it, but track record proves otherwise.

[Addai]

Have to disagree about the DR. I think Duncan would do it. He's not high-minded about blood magic and it would potentially save a Warden's life.

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

Have to disagree about the DR. I think Duncan would do it. He's not high-minded about blood magic and it would potentially save a Warden's life.

No, I don't think he'd have a problem with the blood magic aspect but what about the part where Morrigan's going to use the child she won't explain properly about for some unknown purpose and go off to raise it alone while Flemeth herself desperately wants the child as well? And if the life he would be saving was his own life...well, he was going to have to go on his Calling soon anyway.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...
No, I don't think he'd have a problem with the blood magic aspect but what about the part where Morrigan's going to use the child she won't explain properly about for some unknown purpose and go off to raise it alone while Flemeth herself desperately wants the child as well? And if the life he would be saving was his own life...well, he was going to have to go on his Calling soon anyway.

That's how I see it as well. It's not the blood magic aspect that would bother Duncan, it's not knowing what the consequences of the DR would be.

I'm still undecided on whether I believe Duncan would go ahead with the DR or not however.

[Tigress M]

I don't think Duncan would do the DR because the idea is to kill the AD, not reincarnate it.

[naledgeborn]

According to Morrigan, though I am biased, you're not really reincarnating the tainted AD but preserving the soul of Urthmiel for unknown reasons.

[Addai]

Tigress M wrote...

I don't think Duncan would do the DR because the idea is to kill the AD, not reincarnate it.

It depends on if you believe Morrigan.  The way I see it, the two choices are the AD dies with the Warden or it's like Morrigan says, it's changed.  No one's ever seen an AD in human form- they're always dragons.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Have to disagree about the DR. I think Duncan would do it. He's not high-minded about blood magic and it would potentially save a Warden's life.

No, I don't think he'd have a problem with the blood magic aspect but what about the part where Morrigan's going to use the child she won't explain properly about for some unknown purpose and go off to raise it alone while Flemeth herself desperately wants the child as well? And if the life he would be saving was his own life...well, he was going to have to go on his Calling soon anyway.

Not necessarily his own.

Modifié par Addai67, 30 novembre 2010 - 04:33 .

[Tigress M]

naledgeborn wrote...

According to Morrigan, though I am biased, you're not really reincarnating the tainted AD but preserving the soul of Urthmiel for unknown reasons.

That may be true, but would Duncan buy that?  I'm not convinced he would.  

But, like you, I'm biased in that the only reason I do the DR is so my Warden and Alistair can both stay alive.  

[Rykoth]

In Orzamaar he would definitely support Harrowmont. Just play through the DN origin - he respects Endrin too much to screw his late wishes over.

[Zjarcal]

Rykoth wrote...

In Orzamaar he would definitely support Harrowmont. Just play through the DN origin - he respects Endrin too much to screw his late wishes over.

But how would he even be sure about Endrin's wishes? All he knows is that Harrowmont claims that Endrin wanted him to be his successor, but there's no concrete proof of it.

Supporting Bhelen on the other hand means that the Aeducans keep the throne.

And this is assuming Duncan would even get involved in the election, which I honestly doubt. He'd be more likely to leave Orzammar, complete the other treaty quests and then come back.

[ejoslin]

Rykoth wrote...

In Orzamaar he would definitely support Harrowmont. Just play through the DN origin - he respects Endrin too much to screw his late wishes over.

I think he would may support Harrowmont until he got to the point where harrowmont tells him, "I cannot promise to send you troops.  I'll put it before the assembly if you put me on the throne."  I think at that point, Duncan would seek out Bhelen and say, "i was spying on Harrowmont."

Modifié par ejoslin, 30 novembre 2010 - 04:59 .

[Sarah1281]

Rykoth wrote...

In Orzamaar he would definitely support Harrowmont. Just play through the DN origin - he respects Endrin too much to screw his late wishes over.

But he doesn't know it's his last wishes. Harrowmont is the only witness and Harrowmont does not want Bhelen to be king. Besides, he seems to respect Bryce a great deal and yet he'll still force the dying man to give his child to the GWs in exchange for saving them.

Duncan is a whatever-it-takes kind of man. Bhelen is a stronger king. Bhelen is the one that is tough on darkspawn. I can't see Duncan weakening the first line of defense against the darkspawn (or at the very least failing to strengthen it) because of any pretty sentiment like 'wanting to honor someone's last wishes.' This is the man who coldly cut down Jory when he got scared during his Joining, would have left Ferelden to burn once Loghain outlawed the GW, and burned an entire village once to stop the spread of the taint.

[Sarah1281]

And this is assuming Duncan would even get involved in the election, which I honestly doubt. He'd be more likely to leave Orzammar, complete the other treaty quests and then come back.

And they would still be undecided.

[IanPolaris]

I disagree about Duncan supporting Harrowmount. I think Duncan would do what my last DN Rogue wound up doing. I think that initially Duncan would support Harrowmount since Duncan knows better than most what Endrin's last wishes would be (the two were supposedly friends).



However, I think that support would abruptly vanish when Harrowmount gives his speech about "pushing hard for the Assembly to get you the troops". If you are paying attention, that little speech should doom Harrowmount's chances with any Grey Warden since Bhelen out and out says, that "by the maille of my ancestors" you WOULD get your troops no matter what. I see Duncan in the end, reluctantly giving the crfown to Bhelen on that basis.



-Polaris

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

Redcliffe: Kill Conner wouldn't risk a valuable party member to a demon nor would he risk going to the Circle and traveling back. Would probably save the village though.

Dalish: Kill werewolves. Would want troops tied to a treaty, and would not want to kill/lose the leader of those troops(Zathrian).

Mages: Side with Irving. Duncan thinks pretty highly of mages and their powers. Doubt he would let the Chantry shorten his resources if he could prevent it.

Orzammar: Bhelen and preserve Anvil. Anvil=Anti Darkspawn, and Bhelen seems more eager to help than Harrowmont.

Landsmeet: Conscript Loghain. Anora on the throne. Zero idea though what he would do with Alistair; marry, execute, exile? Not a clue. I imagine he wouldn't let Alistair get executed.

Final Battle: I think he would do the DR because it in theory in enables a greater chance of victory anyone can slay the Archdemon and it will perish just not the Grey Wardens.





Just my 2 cents.