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[naledgeborn]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Perhaps I am missing something, but why might not Duncan try for both?

Sleep with Morrigan on the belief that a Grey Warden doesn't have to be the one to kill the ArchDemon in its most powerful form, thus increasing the chance of stopping the blight.

Keep a Warden with Morrigan, and kill Morrigan and the unborn child immediately once the ArchDemon is slain. Morrigan gets taken by surprise, the OGB is killed, and while it may still kill a Warden it's almost certainly easier/more likely to be able to kill Morrigan after anyone brings down the ArchDemon than just rely on one of three people both reaching and being able to slay the ArchDemon.

Definitely sounds like the insurance policy Duncan would opt for.

[Sarah1281]

I suppose he could (and might) do that but it's just occured to me thath Duncan wouldn't be able to sleep with Morrigan for the ritual anyway since he's been tainted as long as Riordan so he'd have to talk Alistair into it. Since there's only three Wardens in Ferelden, he'd need to take her with him and Alistair and then kill her then if he was planning on doing that.

[Raonar]

Wait, does the game actually say Riordan isn't fit for the ritual?

[Sarah1281]

Raonar wrote...

Wait, does the game actually say Riordan isn't fit for the ritual?

If you ask why Morrigan can't make Riordan do it, she claims that he's been tainted for too long for it to work. She could always be lying in order to not have to ask someone she knows would say no and try to talk you out of it, I guess.

[Dean_the_Young]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I suppose he could (and might) do that but it's just occured to me thath Duncan wouldn't be able to sleep with Morrigan for the ritual anyway since he's been tainted as long as Riordan so he'd have to talk Alistair into it. Since there's only three Wardens in Ferelden, he'd need to take her with him and Alistair and then kill her then if he was planning on doing that.

Is that a problem?

He could always persuade Alistair to, and then have Riordan kill. Neither he or Alistair need to be the blow-striker.

[rak72]

I was always curious, if you killed the OGB, would the soul then leave the OGB then enter the nearest GW & destroy his soul? And Duncan wouldn't just kill Morrigan like that - he is calculating & practical, but he isn't a cold blooded murderer. He would never risk unleashing an OGB on the world - there is too much potential risk.

[Sarah1281]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I suppose he could (and might) do that but it's just occured to me thath Duncan wouldn't be able to sleep with Morrigan for the ritual anyway since he's been tainted as long as Riordan so he'd have to talk Alistair into it. Since there's only three Wardens in Ferelden, he'd need to take her with him and Alistair and then kill her then if he was planning on doing that.

Is that a problem?

He could always persuade Alistair to, and then have Riordan kill. Neither he or Alistair need to be the blow-striker.

Not a problem but there have been people saying that Duncan would sleep with Morrigan as the Calling has convinced them that, twenty years later, he can't keep it in his pants.

[Addai]

rak72 wrote...

I was always curious, if you killed the OGB, would the soul then leave the OGB then enter the nearest GW & destroy his soul? And Duncan wouldn't just kill Morrigan like that - he is calculating & practical, but he isn't a cold blooded murderer. He would never risk unleashing an OGB on the world - there is too much potential risk.

I think your two statements are contradictory.  If he would never risk unleashing an OGB and Morrigan is capable of producing one just by getting a Warden to impregnate her, then he would have to eliminate the risk at its source, not just politely decline her offer to knock boots.

[Addai]

Raonar wrote...

Wait, does the game actually say Riordan isn't fit for the ritual?

Morrigan tells you that she needs someone who hasn't been tainted long.

[Dean_the_Young]

rak72 wrote...

I was always curious, if you killed the OGB, would the soul then leave the OGB then enter the nearest GW & destroy his soul? And Duncan wouldn't just kill Morrigan like that - he is calculating & practical, but he isn't a cold blooded murderer.

He, well, sort of is. The distinction is blury: he'd sacrifice Morrigan in an instant for a better chance to end the Blight. He's not killing her for no reason.

 He would never risk unleashing an OGB on the world - there is too much potential risk.

Exactly why he should kill Morrigan, then. The ritual makes killing the soul of the Old God more likely, not less.

[Herr Uhl]

Duncan would have gone to the border with the rest of the GW and waited to be let in.

[rak72]

Addai67 wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I was always curious, if you killed the OGB, would the soul then leave the OGB then enter the nearest GW & destroy his soul? And Duncan wouldn't just kill Morrigan like that - he is calculating & practical, but he isn't a cold blooded murderer. He would never risk unleashing an OGB on the world - there is too much potential risk.

I think your two statements are contradictory.  If he would never risk unleashing an OGB and Morrigan is capable of producing one just by getting a Warden to impregnate her, then he would have to eliminate the risk at its source, not just politely decline her offer to knock boots.

It's not clear, but I am making 2 seperate statements

1)  He would never impreganate her with the idea of killing her later, he just wouldn't accept the offer.

2) he would turn down the offer because it is too risky

But he may kill her if he found out later that someone else did the deed - I could see that.

[naledgeborn]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Duncan would have gone to the border with the rest of the GW and waited to be let in.

We know this already. We're applying Gaider's plot hammer to Duncan however and measuring how he'd act if he were in the Warden's shoes.

[Herr Uhl]

naledgeborn wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Duncan would have gone to the border with the rest of the GW and waited to be let in.

We know this already. We're applying Gaider's plot hammer to Duncan however and measuring how he'd act if he were in the Warden's shoes.

As neutral as possible and he would have killed, or tried to kill, Morrigan at the mention of the DR.

Anora would be queen, Loghain would be dead, Harrowmont would have the throne (smashed anvil), Connor would be dead, mages dead and werewolves dead.

[Wulfram]

I don't think Duncan would try to kill Morrigan. It's not like he'd be worried that Alistair would sleep with her.

[Herr Uhl]

Wulfram wrote...

I don't think Duncan would try to kill Morrigan. It's not like he'd be worried that Alistair would sleep with her.

Just as he wasn't worried that Jory would topple the order? She knows too much.

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I don't think Duncan would try to kill Morrigan. It's not like he'd be worried that Alistair would sleep with her.

Just as he wasn't worried that Jory would topple the order? She knows too much.

For that matter, Anora and the whole Landsmeet is a threat. 

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I don't think Duncan would try to kill Morrigan. It's not like he'd be worried that Alistair would sleep with her.

Just as he wasn't worried that Jory would topple the order? She knows too much.

For that matter, Anora and the whole Landsmeet is a threat. 

No. They only know that the joining is dangerous. You can't keep a (my guess) 30% death-rate secret for over a thousand years. Better to let it be known that it is dangerous.

I don't get where the notion that Anora knows exactly what it entails comes from.

[Sarah1281]

Can someone please explain to me why so many people are sure that Duncan would give the throne of Orzammar to the 'maybe I can give you your troops if you somehow manage to make me king. Ideas would be appreciated because there's no sure way to get there' candidate over the 'We must unite to fight the fulcrum of true evil!' one?

[Dean_the_Young]

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I don't think Duncan would try to kill Morrigan. It's not like he'd be worried that Alistair would sleep with her.

Just as he wasn't worried that Jory would topple the order? She knows too much.

For that matter, Anora and the whole Landsmeet is a threat. 

Indeed.

Duncan didn't kill Jory because Jory knew too much. Duncan killed Jory because Jory drew a blade on him. Morrigan (and Flemeth) have known the Grey Warden secrets for decades (centuries) and haven't spread them about: there's no imminent threat.

[Wulfram]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Can someone please explain to me why so many people are sure that Duncan would give the throne of Orzammar to the 'maybe I can give you your troops if you somehow manage to make me king. Ideas would be appreciated because there's no sure way to get there' candidate over the 'We must unite to fight the fulcrum of true evil!' one?

Because Bhelen's a lieing bastard who is probably only telling you what you want to hear - and may well cause a civil war if he actually is serious, which is no good for fighting the blight.  

While Harrowmont is an experienced and competent politician, well suited to uniting Orzammar against the blight.

[Zjarcal]

Harrowmont is a competent politician?

Modifié par Zjarcal, 01 décembre 2010 - 05:35 .

[Wulfram]

Zjarcal wrote...

Harrowmont is a competent politician?

In the game?  Absolutely.  After all, he's risen from a minor house to being a contender for the throne against the King's only son.
In the epilogues he's useless, but Duncan hasn't read those.