Yellow Words wrote...
Tanolus wrote...
Looks like they took all character choice out, made replays dead or redundant and took the franchise on a tangent.
They just took the cheap easy route basically. The orriginal Dragon age was a classic, this looks like a knock off, I will pass.
Yes, I'm sure DA2 was cheap to make. -holds up sarcasm sign-
Xewaka wrote...
Yellow Words wrote...
Tanolus wrote...
Looks like they took all character choice out, made replays dead or redundant and took the franchise on a tangent.
They just took the cheap easy route basically. The orriginal Dragon age was a classic, this looks like a knock off, I will pass.
Yes, I'm sure DA2 was cheap to make. -holds up sarcasm sign-
Well, it is cheaper than Origins in man-hours, considering the shorter development cycle.
Modifié par Ghandorian, 11 décembre 2010 - 03:15 .
), if DA:O was anything to go by. Also, Hawke doesn't seem to have a fixed personality like Shepard, but changes to some degree according to the player's dialogue choices.
Modifié par IRMcGhee, 11 décembre 2010 - 04:51 .
IRMcGhee wrote...
I don't think it'll be quite that limited. Different starting classes and different choices made throughout the game should make the game experience different enough to support multiple playthroughs (mind you, this is coming from a guy who has run at least half a dozen human nobles right through from DA:O to WH and completed the game with multiple versions of every origin except the Dwarven one. Just can't take a Dwarf Warden seriously
"Wearing underpants restricts stabbing ability, obviously." great point;)
crimzontearz wrote...
uh......people are not considering that since DAO EA has gioven extra human resources to Bioware, DA2 team might very well be twive the the size of DAO. Just Saying
Xewaka wrote...
I though those resources were given for the new multiplayer division?crimzontearz wrote...
uh......people are not considering that since DAO EA has gioven extra human resources to Bioware, DA2 team might very well be twive the the size of DAO. Just Saying
Maria Caliban wrote...
We know that the cinematic team for Dragon Age 2 is twice that of DA:O. We know that DA 2 had more writers at one time than DA:O. We know nothing else.
I assume as you do that Dragon Age: Origins, with its 5-7 year development cycles, was significantly more expensive than DA 2.
Ghandorian wrote...
Was playing Sheppard every time you loaded ME as much fun as making a new character each time in dao?
Modifié par In Exile, 13 décembre 2010 - 01:52 .
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
The Human Noble origin made no sense in the game. I'll grant that.
Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 13 décembre 2010 - 05:09 .
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
The game doesn't need to give you a good reason. It just needs to accommodate the one you create.
Always.AlanC9 wrote...
Meaning that it's the player's responsibility to create a character who wants to be the main character of the game the player is playing?
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
The game doesn't need to give you a good reason. It just needs to accommodate the one you create.
That said, I thought the Dalish Elf and Mage origins gave you good reasons to be a Grey Warden; the
alternatives were death and imprisonment. And it wasn't difficult to come up with a motive for the Dwarf Noble to become a Grey Warden.
AlanC9 wrote...
Meaning that it's the player's responsibility
to create a character who wants to be the main character of the game the
player is playing?
As the DAO box clearly says: "You are a Grey
Warden..... you have been chosen by fate to unite the shattered lands
and slay the archdemon once and for all." Pretty accurate, really.
Modifié par In Exile, 13 décembre 2010 - 04:28 .
The statement only says you are a Grey Warden which is technically true -- you were made to drink the blood, you're a Warden whether you like/want it or not. It say nothing about being a willing or enthusiastic Grey Warden and as such, there doesn't seem to be a problem here.In Exile wrote...
The problem with that is that you aren't a Grey Warden. That is, your identity that is supplied in the Origin is not a Warden, and several origins (the noble ones, plus the Dalish one) have great reasons to never want to be a Grey Warden.
tmp7704 wrote...
The statement only says you are a Grey Warden which is technically true -- you were made to drink the blood, you're a Warden whether you like/want it or not. It say nothing about being a willing or enthusiastic Grey Warden and as such, there doesn't seem to be a problem here.
There's similar point made about Loghain during the Landsmeet, when a subject of conscripting him pops up. The NPC Warden dismisses your concern about Loghain's possible lack of loyalty with "what does it matter, he'll be a Warden and either finds himself in the Deep Roads or they will find him, in the end".
Why should there be explicit option for it, when it's pretty much character's internal monologue? Whatever reasons you have to stop the Blight they're your own, the game never actually makes you declare them if i remember right. And you certainly aren't required to stick with the Wardens once the Blight is over, you can express plans to do other things in the epilogue and it's taken into account.In Exile wrote...
There's no ''I refuse to consider myself a Warden, I am stopping the blight for x other reasons, and this order can go to hell once the blight is over'' option.
It wasn't a reasoning i'd agree with myself, but apparently as far as the NPCs (and the game's writers) are concerned, it's supposed to work this way.Which is an idiotic point, because working to kill the darkspawn isn't the same thing as not actively undermining the Wardens once the blight is over.
tmp7704 wrote...
Why should there be explicit option for it, when it's pretty much character's internal monologue? Whatever reasons you have to stop the Blight they're your own, the game never actually makes you declare them if i remember right.
And you certainly aren't required to stick with the Wardens once the Blight is over, you can express plans to do other things in the epilogue and it's taken into account.
On personal sidenote my character certainly wasn't stopping the Blight out of thinking of herself as a Warden, but simply because by the sound of it it was going to wipe out her Alienage along with everything else. And as much as she'd rather just run and hide or plain go back home, it seemed no one else was in position to try and do something to ensure that home would remain.
It wasn't a reasoning i'd agree with myself, but apparently as far as the NPCs (and the game's writers) are concerned, it's supposed to work this way.
Modifié par In Exile, 13 décembre 2010 - 05:26 .
The mage origin doesn't do quite as good a job as the city elf or dwarf commoner, but it does present a restrictive lifestyle which the wardens present an escape from, as even running away in ostigar leaves you the problem of being a trackable apostate. But I agree, even having played largely as a duster dwarf, it all starts as largely blackmail and strong arming, and quickly switches to the assumption that this is your life choice.In Exile wrote...
There is a difference between having a good reason to join the Grey Warden order and having a good reason to be a Grey Warden. One is a matter of identity that the game forces on you, and the other is a matter of development.
As for the Mage Origin, you're basically blackmailed into the Wardens by Iriving even if you go along with his plan.
ziggehunderslash wrote...
The mage origin doesn't do quite as good a job as the city elf or dwarf commoner, but it does present a restrictive lifestyle which the wardens present an escape from
as even running away in ostigar leaves you the problem of being a trackable apostate. But I agree, even having played largely as a duster dwarf, it all starts as largely blackmail and strong arming, and quickly switches to the assumption that this is your life choice.
Yes, this is true.In Exile wrote...
If the game tells you things about your character, those things cannot contradict the background the game wants you to have.
If the game wants me to not just to join the Grey Wardens, but to adopt their role as part of my identity, it has to give me a reason for that.
If you started the game as a ''Mysterious Stranger'' of sorts, that would be one thing. You could come up with many reasons why a character would want to be a Grey Warden and adopt that identity.
But in DA:O you have a pre-existing life you could be very attached to. That attachment is a huge problem for the role of the Warden.
The dream isn't a problem, as the game explicitly establishes that the demon's dreams aren't always compelling. Morrigan's dream fails utterly.In Exile wrote...
The 'dream' that the sloth demon gives you,
This is the one you should have chosen. It's a dodge. It doesn't answer Wynne's question.In Exile wrote...
It actually does. Wynne asks you outright what being a Warden means to you. Here are your options:
Wynne starts with "I must ask, what does being a Grey Warden mean to you?" (note: This conversation superscedes Wynne complaining about Morrigan)
[*]I don't know. Does it have to mean something?
And that's the problem. The writers do not consider the possibility people will react poorly to their forced conscription and kidnapping.
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
This is the one you should have chosen. It's a dodge. It doesn't answer Wynne's question.
Dialogue options like this one exist so that you can avoid expressing the wrong opinion. It's your insistence that your character be able to express his objections that is the problem. The game doesn't require you not to have the objections; this option I've quoted is the one that doesn't conflict with that objection, so that's the one you should choose.
That your character says he doesn't know is not evidence that he actually doesn't know. And that he asks for Wynne's opinion is not evidence that he cares about Wynne's opinion. He's just avoiding saying things he would find distasteful.
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