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[FellowerOfOdin]

Bioware confirmed that DA2 will be an action RPG.



Dragon Effect, Dynasty Dragons, Prince of Tevinter...your choice.

[Sir JK]

They also confirmed that DA:O was a action RPG you know... so perhaps we shouldn't read too much into that.

[upsettingshorts]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Bioware confirmed that DA2 will be an action RPG.

Their stated definition of "action RPG" is hilariously vague.  It's practically meaningless.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 30 novembre 2010 - 12:55 .

[marshalleck]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Bioware confirmed that DA2 will be an action RPG.

Their stated definition of "action RPG" is hilariously vague.  It's practically meaningless.

No way man, action RPG is totally epic. Like whoa.

[nightcobra]

Sir JK wrote...

They also confirmed that DA:O was a action RPG you know... so perhaps we shouldn't read too much into that.

baldur's gate was also considered as such in it's time so the term really isn't a set in stone concept.

[Zhijn]

Ofcourse its action rpg, if it was just "RPG" alone it would be, oh dont know. The Sims?. xD

[crimzontearz]

My question would be wether or not rivalry and frienship paths are the result of the perception of the companion or if they are static

[upsettingshorts]

crimzontearz wrote...

My question would be wether or not rivalry and frienship paths are the result of the perception of the companion or if they are static

I'm almost 100% sure it's the former.  

[Shepard Lives]

crimzontearz wrote...

My question would be wether or not rivalry and frienship paths are the result of the perception of the companion or if they are static

What do you mean?

[tmp7704]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Bioware confirmed that DA2 will be an action RPG.

Their stated definition of "action RPG" is hilariously vague.  It's practically meaningless.

It's pretty obvious i think -- you press a button and something awesome happens.

[upsettingshorts]

tmp7704 wrote...

It's pretty obvious i think -- you press a button and something awesome happens.

As opposed to...?

[Herr Uhl]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

It's pretty obvious i think -- you press a button and something awesome happens.

As opposed to...?

Pressing 8 buttons, waiting for 30 seconds and then something mildly interesting happens.

[Apollo Starflare]

People like to have a go at the Bioware marketing team around these parts (I've criticised the marketing of DA2 myself) but advertising the game as an 'action RPG' here and there is a good tactic. The game -does- have a lot of action, just as Origins did, but by pushing that angle in articles that are likely to reach a wide readership they draw the attention of those potential customers who would usually avoid a traditional RPG like the plague.



Now, of course there is a case to be made that they should still aim their games 100% at the sole target audience (the Baldur's Gate crowd for lack of a better term), what with much of their reputation being based off of those games success. However they have always made other games, for other audiences, and just trying to draw in people who, perhaps, had preconceptions about what a Bioware RPG is doesn't automatically mean the game is being dumbed down to the [insert hack n slash game here] crowd. It's just a case of them trying to sell more copies of the game, and introduce more people to their great stories and characters etc.



Huh, went off on a bit of a rant there. Regardless, while there are valid reasons to be concerned or negative about DA2, their calling it an 'action RPG' on occasion isn't one of them.

[crimzontearz]

shepard_lives wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

My question would be wether or not rivalry and frienship paths are the result of the perception of the companion or if they are static

What do you mean?

Meaning whether action A "always" causes your companions to consider you a heartless monster/too much of a softie and begin the rivalry path OR if it will depends on their perceptions


I just hope isabela does not turn out to be DA2's morrigan in that respect

[Shepard Lives]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Huh, went off on a bit of a rant there. Regardless, while there are valid reasons to be concerned or negative about DA2, their calling it an 'action RPG' on occasion isn't one of them.

I'm pretty pumped about the game.

It's just that those marketing catchphrases are like a rusty scalpel in my spine.

[slimgrin]

If there's one term I don't take seriously at this point it's action rpg. Most devs like to play with this term. According to Tomak Gop, TW2 is an "rpg, rpg"...simply because he's emphasizing it's a story-centric game. To me it's clearly an action rpg due to the twitch combat. Bioware wants to tout the revamped action of DA2 so the're saying just the opposite.

[Apollo Starflare]

shepard_lives wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Huh, went off on a bit of a rant there. Regardless, while there are valid reasons to be concerned or negative about DA2, their calling it an 'action RPG' on occasion isn't one of them.

I'm pretty pumped about the game.

It's just that those marketing catchphrases are like a rusty scalpel in my spine.

I can't say I'm a fan of 'fight like a Spartan, think like a General" or "push a button and something awesome happens" but it's par for the course with big games thesedays (well, it's always been a part of it really). So... I just ignore it.

[StingingVelvet]

tmp7704 wrote...

It's pretty obvious i think -- you press a button and something awesome happens.

I'm only buying it if pressing a button makes something sexy happen.

[nightcobra]

StingingVelvet wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

It's pretty obvious i think -- you press a button and something awesome happens.

I'm only buying it if pressing a button makes something sexy happen.

isn't sexy also in the awesome category?

[Waage25]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

People like to have a go at the Bioware marketing team around these parts (I've criticised the marketing of DA2 myself) but advertising the game as an 'action RPG' here and there is a good tactic. The game -does- have a lot of action, just as Origins did, but by pushing that angle in articles that are likely to reach a wide readership they draw the attention of those potential customers who would usually avoid a traditional RPG like the plague.

Now, of course there is a case to be made that they should still aim their games 100% at the sole target audience (the Baldur's Gate crowd for lack of a better term), what with much of their reputation being based off of those games success. However they have always made other games, for other audiences, and just trying to draw in people who, perhaps, had preconceptions about what a Bioware RPG is doesn't automatically mean the game is being dumbed down to the [insert hack n slash game here] crowd. It's just a case of them trying to sell more copies of the game, and introduce more people to their great stories and characters etc.

Huh, went off on a bit of a rant there. Regardless, while there are valid reasons to be concerned or negative about DA2, their calling it an 'action RPG' on occasion isn't one of them.

Now the thing is that the bioware PR team is on the stupid side of retarded. They do not seem to have any idea on how you market a game outside of hte console mainstream base.

I mean this entire "preview" sounds like it was part of the deal for PCG to get there hands on more content and it taste a lot like something mandated from up high.
Now instead of doing what is smart and start to try and clam down the fear that most PC gamers have that the game will be nothing, but a a bad console port they instead go for the shallow approach of the same content we already know about.

What i would like is to see the PC version in action and some goddam screen shots that dose not look like they are part of minecraft.
It is the end of 2010 and the screen shots you have shown all look like something that my PS2 can handle.

Modifié par Waage25, 30 novembre 2010 - 02:44 .

[Waage25]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

StingingVelvet wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

It's pretty obvious i think -- you press a button and something awesome happens.

I'm only buying it if pressing a button makes something sexy happen.

isn't sexy also in the awesome category?

Sounds like fable.
And we all know how great the combat in fable is.

[ErichHartmann]

Waage25 wrote...

What i would like is to see the PC version in action and some goddam screen shots that dose not look like they are part of minecraft.
It is the end of 2010 and the screen shots you have shown all look like something that my PS2 can handle.

*Shakes head*

http://t0.gstatic.co...NwoMOLXLz5Diybq

You fail at troll baiting.

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 30 novembre 2010 - 02:52 .

[Sir JK]

Personally I think Bioware's marketing department are absolutely brilliant... they have a huge number of PC gamers glued to their monitors and dissecting every piece of information they release. Even outside these fora... I see plenty of people that dissect, critisce and complain about everything DA2 related.



It's not very pleasant perhaps but it's damn effective...

[Matchy Pointy]

What I like the least about the usual Bioware marketing is that it usually spoils so much from teh game before it's even out, but I guess that's true of all marketing

[Apollo Starflare]

Waage25 wrote...


I mean this entire "preview" sounds like it was part of the deal for PCG to get there hands on more content and it taste a lot like something mandated from up high.
Now instead of doing what is smart and start to try and clam down the fear that most PC gamers have that the game will be nothing, but a a bad console port they instead go for the shallow approach of the same content we already know about.

Ever stop and think for a second that the PCG previewer may have chosen to focus on the new stuff DA2 is bringing to the Dragon Age table? Bioware don't write the previews for them, they just give them the usual spiel and give them some stuff to write about (a hands on with the demo etc.) The fact is previewers for big sites/magazines like that are usually going to pump out a fairly basic preview focusing on the Big Changes/Features/Guitar Playing Scorpions for an upcoming game with little info out on it yet. The exception tends to be when the site/magazine is running a feature/exclusive/special preview.

Other previewers who perhaps have less of a routine with these things have asked questions/given details/spoken to the PC Dragon Age fans, however one aspect of the marketing that has been undeniably slow so far has been gameplay footage and hands on previews with the full game. With that said Bioware have repeatedly stated that gameplay footage for both is coming, so essentially you are just being impatient. 

The most aggravating part of your post is that at it's core it's an entirely valid concern, however you have chosen to word it in such an over the top (and borderline insulting in terms of wordage) way that it's hard to take seriously. Not to mention that at the end of the day it boils down to 'give me PC gameplay footage/hands on previews now' which is something that has already been brought up numerous times and in several dedicated threads.