TST made me like Loghain a little bit. I played Origins before reading TST, so I just assumed he would be a bastard but he was a really relateable character IMO. Especially after that night in the Deep Roads. The books honestly made me feel for Rowan and Cailan more than anything though. Maric is kind of a terrible husband/father and is the selfish one IMO.
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Posté 10 décembre 2010 - 07:35
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Reading The Stolen Throne only made me hate Loghain even more.
Seriously, with friends like Loghain, who needs enemies?
My feelings exactly.
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Posté 10 décembre 2010 - 07:42
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TST made me like Loghain a little bit. I played Origins before reading TST, so I just assumed he would be a bastard but he was a really relateable character IMO. Especially after that night in the Deep Roads. The books honestly made me feel for Rowan and Cailan more than anything though. Maric is kind of a terrible husband/father and is the selfish one IMO.
Maric the guy who married Rowan purely out of duty losing the two loves of his lifes and doing stuff for Ferelden was selfish? A'ight.
As for TST is just made me hate Loghains character development even more, I read it after Origins and it's not that I dislike his character (I pretty much don't even care about his character) it's just his actual development makes no sense and that's what I dislike.
I do however enjoy the books and look forward to any others that might come about.
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Posté 10 décembre 2010 - 07:46
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TST made me like Loghain a little bit. I played Origins before reading TST, so I just assumed he would be a bastard but he was a really relateable character IMO. Especially after that night in the Deep Roads. The books honestly made me feel for Rowan and Cailan more than anything though. Maric is kind of a terrible husband/father and is the selfish one IMO.
Maric the guy who married Rowan purely out of duty losing the two loves of his lifes and doing stuff for Ferelden was selfish? A'ight.
He also had an affair with a woman who he later killed. And he only married Rowan after he killed his mistress. And it's not like Maric could have just said "Nah, I don't want to do this rebellion thing." He was THE target of the Orlesian empire. If he hadn't rebuilt the rebellion he would have been killed and had his head on a pike. Loghain left his father and friends so he could save Maric and gave up the love of his life so she could be Ferelden's queen.
You seem to have selective memory.
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Posté 10 décembre 2010 - 08:18
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He also had an affair with a woman who he later killed. And he only married Rowan after he killed his mistress. And it's not like Maric could have just said "Nah, I don't want to do this rebellion thing." He was THE target of the Orlesian empire. If he hadn't rebuilt the rebellion he would have been killed and had his head on a pike. Loghain left his father and friends so he could save Maric and gave up the love of his life so she could be Ferelden's queen.
You seem to have selective memory.
You, yourself say they weren't married so... it wasn't an affair, they were perhaps at most promised to each other sure it would have been frowned upon but they weren't even in a relationship at that point.
The fact that Maric had a choice or not doesn't make him selfish... one of the main points within the book is Marics stubborn determination even when things get really bad to have the rebellion go on despite his self-deprecation and he probably could have just wandered off and become unknown most people thought him dead after all and thats twice, that situation crops up, yet both times he forces himself forward for the good of Ferelden, even risking the improbability of survival in the deep roads.
As for Loghain leaving his father and friends so he could save Maric.. and then he gave up Rowan, well those are nothing to do with Marics selfishness or lack of, that's talking about Loghain's character.
Edit: He also killed her because he had to deal justice as the King of Ferelden, she was a traitor and an assassin you think him killing the woman he loved despite these things makes him selfish?
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Posté 10 décembre 2010 - 08:58
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They all have faults and nobody's really a hero, even though they end up doing something heroic (freeing Ferelden). It's the interplay of character weaknesses and strengths that is the most interesting part aobut the book to me.BrotherWarth wrote...
TST made me like Loghain a little bit. I played Origins before reading TST, so I just assumed he would be a bastard but he was a really relateable character IMO. Especially after that night in the Deep Roads. The books honestly made me feel for Rowan and Cailan more than anything though. Maric is kind of a terrible husband/father and is the selfish one IMO.
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He also had an affair with a woman who he later killed. And he only married Rowan after he killed his mistress. And it's not like Maric could have just said "Nah, I don't want to do this rebellion thing." He was THE target of the Orlesian empire. If he hadn't rebuilt the rebellion he would have been killed and had his head on a pike. Loghain left his father and friends so he could save Maric and gave up the love of his life so she could be Ferelden's queen.
You seem to have selective memory.
You, yourself say they weren't married so... it wasn't an affair, they were perhaps at most promised to each other sure it would have been frowned upon but they weren't even in a relationship at that point.
Yeah, they were promised to eachother and Maric knew that Rowan was in love with him. He just didn't care.
The fact that Maric had a choice or not doesn't make him selfish... one of the main points within the book is Marics stubborn determination even when things get really bad to have the rebellion go on despite his self-deprecation and he probably could have just wandered off and become unknown most people thought him dead after all and thats twice, that situation crops up, yet both times he forces himself forward for the good of Ferelden, even risking the improbability of survival in the deep roads.
Everyone knew what he looked like. Unless he left Ferelden he would have been found and killed. They even said that in the book.
As for Loghain leaving his father and friends so he could save Maric.. and then he gave up Rowan, well those are nothing to do with Marics selfishness or lack of, that's talking about Loghain's character.
My point was that Loghain was not selfish. It is possible to have 2 ideas in one's head.
Edit: He also killed her because he had to deal justice as the King of Ferelden, she was a traitor and an assassin you think him killing the woman he loved despite these things makes him selfish?
He killed her in a rage. Loghain was the one who said it was for justice. Maric says he was blind with rage, not issuing justice.
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Posté 11 décembre 2010 - 08:14
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Yeah, they were promised to eachother and Maric knew that Rowan was in love with him. He just didn't care.
He didn't really know Rowan was in love with him..at the time that Katriel came on scene, Rowan was probably eyeing Loghain much more than Maric. Plus Maric was young and a little naive at that point. He hadn't quite gone through his "hardening" yet. If Rowan had made her intentions known earlier, maybe she wouldn't have gotten hurt. Not saying I don't feel sorry for her, because I do, but I can also see Maric's point-of-view.
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Posté 11 décembre 2010 - 08:22
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It's true he didn't think Rowan was actually in love with him, but he still knew he was doing something wrong, otherwise he wouldn't have concealed it. Maric luuuvrrr that I am, I still concede he was being a doofus at that point and needed the flat end of a sword upside the head.leonia42 wrote...
Yeah, they were promised to eachother and Maric knew that Rowan was in love with him. He just didn't care.
He didn't really know Rowan was in love with him..at the time that Katriel came on scene, Rowan was probably eyeing Loghain much more than Maric. Plus Maric was young and a little naive at that point. He hadn't quite gone through his "hardening" yet. If Rowan had made her intentions known earlier, maybe she wouldn't have gotten hurt. Not saying I don't feel sorry for her, because I do, but I can also see Maric's point-of-view.
He also wasn't a great father, nor was Loghain. Like I said up above, I don't think you have to gloss their faults to see them as interesting and likeable characters. To me it's not a competition. I like both.
*really nervous about the promised Maric and Fiona reveal*
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Posté 11 décembre 2010 - 08:33
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Oh yeah, I like Maric and Loghain equally, especially because of their faults. I loved watching them both grow up over the course of TST. I only wish we had seen more of Rowan, she always seemed harder to understand.
Oh, Addai, I had a dream that Fiona would show up as a companion in DA 2. *is also anxious about more Maric-Fiona information*
Oh, Addai, I had a dream that Fiona would show up as a companion in DA 2. *is also anxious about more Maric-Fiona information*
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Posté 11 décembre 2010 - 08:45
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Pretty sure Gaider has said he is too busy at the moment for future DA books.
Busy drowning in Dragon Age groupies. Aww, yeah. Go Gaider, Go Gaider.
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Posté 11 décembre 2010 - 08:56
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I didn't even consider that maybe "Maric dead at sea" was actually his escape to be with Fiona.
Maric: *Captain Morgan Pose*
Loghain: I hate you so much.
Maric: Its just sea sickness you land-lubber.
Loghain: You do remember I was a farmer.
Maric: Arrr, matey.
Loghain: You are a terrible King.
Maric: You are a terrible Sailor.
Loghain/Maric: *simultaneously* I'll miss you.
Maric: *Captain Morgan Pose*
Loghain: I hate you so much.
Maric: Its just sea sickness you land-lubber.
Loghain: You do remember I was a farmer.
Maric: Arrr, matey.
Loghain: You are a terrible King.
Maric: You are a terrible Sailor.
Loghain/Maric: *simultaneously* I'll miss you.
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Posté 12 décembre 2010 - 03:14
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I didn't like Maric very much for what he did. Even if he thought Rowan didn't want to get married, he was still promised to her and it was a disrespectful thing to do. I would probably over look it if he had fallen in love with Katriel when/before it happened. Then I could say: "Well, you can't help who you fall in love with." But he barely knew her and simply let his hormones take over.
And I haven't done the math, but didn't he also cheat on Rowan after they married? You know, with the palace maid? Rowan died when Cailan was around 7. And Cailan doesn't look like he's 7+ years older than Alistair. So this must've happened while she was still alive. Sick or not, you just don't cheat on your wife! That big jerk *huff*
And I haven't done the math, but didn't he also cheat on Rowan after they married? You know, with the palace maid? Rowan died when Cailan was around 7. And Cailan doesn't look like he's 7+ years older than Alistair. So this must've happened while she was still alive. Sick or not, you just don't cheat on your wife! That big jerk *huff*
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Posté 12 décembre 2010 - 03:16
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Alistair is about 5 years younger than Cailan and was born after Rowan died. Maric was faithful to Rowan that we know of, and so despondent about her death that he went into seclusion for quite a while.
*we all know who the Ali babymama was, yes we do!*
*we all know who the Ali babymama was, yes we do!*
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Posté 12 décembre 2010 - 03:26
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I haven't finished reading "The Calling" (just finished chapter 4) so I'm not sure about the hard facts. But if Cailan was 9 in the book, and he's 5 years older than Alistair, that makes Alistair 4 in the book. Rowan dies two years prior to "The Calling" which means Alistair was already 2 when she died. Meaning that Alistair was born 2 years before her death then, which makes it an affair. It's all too confusing to clarify, since I can't find their ages (in Origins, at least) listed anywhere.
edit: math error
edit: math error
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Posté 12 décembre 2010 - 03:28
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That's a typo in the Calling, it's confirmed the age difference is five years. There's a note about it on the DA Wiki.
Found it:
Which makes Alistair 7 at the end of TST and I assume he's not even a year old yet in the The Calling epilogue.
Found it:
Due to a mistake in the editing process Cailan's age in the novel is
inconsistent with the established timeline. According to the author
"Cailan is supposed to be five years old in "the Calling". Rowan died two years before. He is twelve in the epilogue for "the Stolen Throne"." [1]
Which makes Alistair 7 at the end of TST and I assume he's not even a year old yet in the The Calling epilogue.
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Heh, The idea of more books excites me indefinitely. I kind of like the idea of seeing the DA universe becoming a huge library of books much like the Forgotten Realms has. Then again, I also like the idea of seeing the DA universe become just as large in lore and scope as the FR as well.
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Posté 19 janvier 2011 - 02:29
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whooo!! I must have missed this thread when it first appeared, i am so excited now 
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David Gaider wrote...
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I am hoping for more Thedas-based novels, as well.
Magic 8-ball says "chances are good".
Yay, this is good news.
I'll be sitting at my desk, patiently waiting for new book(s).
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Posté 19 janvier 2011 - 03:05
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The first two books are great. I finished The Stolen Throne yesterday and got half way through The Calling today and I am loving them.
The Stolen Throne really made me regret having killed Loghain in my main DAO playthrough, the book was a great way to learn more about him.
The one thing I have not liked is how quickly Rowan was killed off, and the little focus it received (at least up to the first half of The Calling), she was the only character that in my opinion did everything right, and was the one ended up the worst.
Regardless of that, the books are great and I can't wait for another one.
The Stolen Throne really made me regret having killed Loghain in my main DAO playthrough, the book was a great way to learn more about him.
The one thing I have not liked is how quickly Rowan was killed off, and the little focus it received (at least up to the first half of The Calling), she was the only character that in my opinion did everything right, and was the one ended up the worst.
Regardless of that, the books are great and I can't wait for another one.
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Posté 19 janvier 2011 - 03:24
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where can I get these books I love to read and would like to add trhem to my cllection oh and beutiful picture of Fiona
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Posté 19 janvier 2011 - 03:28
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KnightHawke wrote...
where can I get these books I love to read and would like to add trhem to my cllection oh and beutiful picture of Fiona
I got mine through amazon.
The Stolen Throne
The Calling
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