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vampsrock9988 wrote...

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

Some hawks were used as messengers. Maybe Hawke is a messenger and.. yea. Only thing I could think of people.


Doesn't Flemeth give him something to deliver for her?  Or am I remembering that wrong?

She does. I think we might be on to something here.Image IPB

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Well. I don't think that running companion names through a numerology site has much use, and much of his speculation about the origins of the name contradicts what the writers have said.

At the same time, why not do it with the new companions? Might be fun.

Cassandra - Obviously based on the Cassandra of greek mythology, who can tell the future but is cursed so not one believes her.

According to the numerology website.

Your number is: 8

The characteristics of #8 are: Practical endeavors, status oriented, power-seeking, high-material goals.

The expression or destiny for #8:
Your Expression is represented by the number 8. The 8 Expression is well-equipped in a managerial sense. You have outstanding organizational and administrative capabilities. You have the potential for considerable achievement in business or other powerful positions. You can expect to receive the financial and material rewards. You have the skill and abilities to establish or operate a business with great efficiency. You have good judgment when it comes to money and commercial matters, and you understand how to build and accumulate material wealth. Much of your success (or lack of it) may come due to your ability (or inability) to judge character. With the number 8 Expression, you exercise sound judgment in most of your affairs; you are realistic and practical in your approach to business matters.

The positive 8 Expression produces individuals that are very ambitious and goal-oriented. If the 8 energy is not in excess in your makeup, you will no doubt express these traits to some extent. No one has any more energy that a person with the 8 Expression who has a plan laid and is starting to work. No one has any more self-confidence, either. If you are expressing the positive qualities of 8, you are an outstanding manager because you can plan, initiate, and complete projects; you are very dependable and determined.

As it always happens, there can be too much of a good thing. If you have too much of the 8 energy in your makeup, you may express some of the negative attitudes. A negative 8 can be very rigid and stubborn. Ambition sometimes has a way of becoming over-ambition, and you may express an unreasonable impatience with the lack of progress. If your negative side is showing, you may be too exacting, both of yourself and of others. Sometimes this can even becomes a case of intolerance.

The number 8 is very materialistic and also very desirous of status and power. Neither of these drives are inherently negative unless they are taken to an extreme. You must avoid the tendency to strain after money, material matters, status, or power, to the detriment of the other important factors in your life.

Your Soul Urge number is: 3

A Soul Urge number of 3 means:
With the Soul Urge number 3 your desire in life is personal expression, and generally enjoying life to its fullest. You want to participate in an active social life and enjoy a large circle of friends. You want to be in the limelight, expressing your artistic or intellectual talents. Word skills may be your thing; speaking, writing, acting, singing. In a positive sense, the 3 energy is friendly, outgoing and always very social.

You have a decidedly upbeat attitude that is rarely discouraged; a good mental and emotional balance.

The 3 Soul Urge gives intuitive insight, thus, very high creative and inspirational tendencies. The truly outstanding trait shown by the 3 Soul Urge is that of self-expression, regardless of the field of endeavor.

On the negative side, you may at times become too easygoing and too optimistic, tending to scatter forces and accomplish very little. Often, the excessive 3 energy produces non-stop talkers. Everyone has faults, but the 3 soul urge doesn't appreciate having these pointed out.

Your Inner Dream number is: 5


An Inner Dream number of 5 means:
You dream of being totally free and unrestrained by responsibility. You see yourself conversing and mingling with the natives in many nations, living for adventure and life experiences. You imagine what you might accomplished.



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Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

Some hawks were used as messengers. Maybe Hawke is a messenger and.. yea. Only thing I could think of people.


Well flemeth does ask him to deliver something doesn't she? And messengers (ie postman) deliver packages as well as letters.

Postman Hawke Image IPB


edit. gah ninja'd

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Well. I don't think that running companion names through a numerology site has much use, and much of his speculation about the origins of the name contradicts what the writers have said.

At the same time, why not do it with the new companions? Might be fun.

Cassandra - Obviously based on the Cassandra of greek mythology, who can tell the future but is cursed so not one believes her.

According to the numerology website.

Your number is: 8

The characteristics of #8 are: Practical endeavors, status oriented, power-seeking, high-material goals.

The expression or destiny for #8:
Your Expression is represented by the number 8. The 8 Expression is well-equipped in a managerial sense. You have outstanding organizational and administrative capabilities. You have the potential for considerable achievement in business or other powerful positions. You can expect to receive the financial and material rewards. You have the skill and abilities to establish or operate a business with great efficiency. You have good judgment when it comes to money and commercial matters, and you understand how to build and accumulate material wealth. Much of your success (or lack of it) may come due to your ability (or inability) to judge character. With the number 8 Expression, you exercise sound judgment in most of your affairs; you are realistic and practical in your approach to business matters.

The positive 8 Expression produces individuals that are very ambitious and goal-oriented. If the 8 energy is not in excess in your makeup, you will no doubt express these traits to some extent. No one has any more energy that a person with the 8 Expression who has a plan laid and is starting to work. No one has any more self-confidence, either. If you are expressing the positive qualities of 8, you are an outstanding manager because you can plan, initiate, and complete projects; you are very dependable and determined.

As it always happens, there can be too much of a good thing. If you have too much of the 8 energy in your makeup, you may express some of the negative attitudes. A negative 8 can be very rigid and stubborn. Ambition sometimes has a way of becoming over-ambition, and you may express an unreasonable impatience with the lack of progress. If your negative side is showing, you may be too exacting, both of yourself and of others. Sometimes this can even becomes a case of intolerance.

The number 8 is very materialistic and also very desirous of status and power. Neither of these drives are inherently negative unless they are taken to an extreme. You must avoid the tendency to strain after money, material matters, status, or power, to the detriment of the other important factors in your life.

Your Soul Urge number is: 3

A Soul Urge number of 3 means:
With the Soul Urge number 3 your desire in life is personal expression, and generally enjoying life to its fullest. You want to participate in an active social life and enjoy a large circle of friends. You want to be in the limelight, expressing your artistic or intellectual talents. Word skills may be your thing; speaking, writing, acting, singing. In a positive sense, the 3 energy is friendly, outgoing and always very social.

You have a decidedly upbeat attitude that is rarely discouraged; a good mental and emotional balance.

The 3 Soul Urge gives intuitive insight, thus, very high creative and inspirational tendencies. The truly outstanding trait shown by the 3 Soul Urge is that of self-expression, regardless of the field of endeavor.

On the negative side, you may at times become too easygoing and too optimistic, tending to scatter forces and accomplish very little. Often, the excessive 3 energy produces non-stop talkers. Everyone has faults, but the 3 soul urge doesn't appreciate having these pointed out.

Your Inner Dream number is: 5


An Inner Dream number of 5 means:
You dream of being totally free and unrestrained by responsibility. You see yourself conversing and mingling with the natives in many nations, living for adventure and life experiences. You imagine what you might accomplished.


It's interesting that it makes Cassandra out to be all business, which is really what we can gather from what we know about her character.  Of course, numerology, astrology etc. needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

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Hawke's an errand boy, send by grocery clerks, to collect a bill.

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This ancient and distinguished surname is of Anglo-Saxon origin, and may
belong to any of three distinct surname categories. Firstly, Hawke may
derive from the Olde English pre 7th Century male given "H(e)afoc",
Hawk, originally a byname denoting a fierce, rapacious person, or one
with a large hooked nose. "Hauok" (without surname) was recorded in the
1066 Winton Book of Hampshire, and an Osbertus filius (son of) Hauoc was
noted in the 1115 Old English Byname Register of Oxfordshire. The
second possibility is that Hawke is a metonymic occupational name for
someone who bred and trained hawks, from the Middle English "hau(l)k,
haueke" (Olde English "heafoc"). Hawking was a major medieval sport, and
the provision and training of hawks for a feudal lord was a not
uncommon obligation in lieu of rent. One Robert Hauk was recorded in the
1269 Assize Rolls of Northumberland, and in 1379, an Adam Hawke appears
in the Poll Tax Returns of Yorkshire. Finally, Hawke may be a
topographical name from residence by a nook or crag, from the Middle
English "halke" (Olde English "halh"), angle, corner, recess, as in
William del Halk (Suffolk, 1188). Edward Hawke (1705 - 1781) became
admiral of the fleet in 1768 following a distinguished naval career, and
was created Baron Hawke of Great Britain in 1776. The Hawke Coat of
Arms is a silver shield with a chevron erminois between three purple
pilgrims' staves. The first recorded spelling of the family name is
shown to be that of Ralph Hauoc, which was dated 1130, in the "Pipe
Rolls of London", during the reign of King Henry 1, known as "The Lion
of Justice", 1100 - 1135. Surnames became necessary when governments
introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax.
Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to
"develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original
spelling.

Edit: sorry it's a mess :pinched:

Modifié par Atakuma, 01 décembre 2010 - 03:55 .


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Atakuma wrote...


 Surnames became necessary when governments
introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax.




Tax Collector: "What?!  What do you mean you don't have a last name?"
*Hawk swoops down and grabs a plague-ridden rat*
Tax Collector: "Congratulations, your surname is now "Hawke"
Mr. Hawke: "With an "e"?"
Tax Collector: "It could be Plaguerat."
Mr. Hawke: "Hawke sounds good."

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The hawk symbolism as messenger is quite common and easily fits the role he plays for Flemeth.

In medieval times, it was the king and nobles who had various raptors used for hunting. In Heraldry, the hawk and eagle appears frequently, so I'd expect we'd see some shields in Kirkwall with emblazoned hawks eventually.

There's a parallel to Hermes, messenger of the gods and guide to the underworld, which would fit the old gods of Thedas.

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According to the writers, who I am inclined to believe, they do not assign names based on some sort of symbolism or predefined meaning.



I imagine they just thought Hawke sounded cool. It's funny, so many people complained about the name when it was first announced--I haven't heard a single person comment about it sounding silly in months.

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vampsrock9988 wrote...
  Of course, numerology, astrology etc. needs to be taken with a grain of salt.


Just a grain? I'd maybe take a few more.

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Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Who came up with it and why? What does the name mean for the character? We know Shepard was named Shepard because he is more or less suppossed to be a reference to Jesus (watches over humanity and the rest of the galaxy as a spectre in attempt to keep it out of harms way, saves everyone in the galaxy (jews and gentiles), not just humans (jews) therefore causing some humans (jews) to have a problem with him, rises from the dead, the reapers practically consider him a god, etc). But what about Hawke? Surely the writers didn't just choose a random name because they thought it sounded good and added into the appeal of silly taglines like "Think like a general" and "Fight like a spartan."

Perhaps Hawke is a reference to the animal. Hawkes are adapt hunters and have the highest IQ amongst birds. So perhaps Hawke is extremely intelligent and is hunting something throughout the game. Maybe he has good eyesight too. Ideas?

Ravens and crows are smarter, but I understand your point. The name HAS to mean something, although it may only mean something to the writers.

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I don't know about the origins of Hawke's name, but Shepard was named after the first American in space, Alan Shepard.




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Sure -- but then they certainly took the messianic archetype and ran with it.

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Shepard is supposed to reference Jesus? I'm tempted to say I doubt it, but it might be my non-Christian background showing.

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In Exile wrote...

Shepard is supposed to reference Jesus? I'm tempted to say I doubt it, but it might be my non-Christian background showing.

Well, the archetype predates Jesus by... a lot. I would hesitate to call Shepard an out-and-out Christ-figure -- though it's a viable interpretation -- but he definitely fits the more generic messianic mould.

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vampsrock9988 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...


 Surnames became necessary when governments
introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax.




Tax Collector: "What?!  What do you mean you don't have a last name?"
*Hawk swoops down and grabs a plague-ridden rat*
Tax Collector: "Congratulations, your surname is now "Hawke"
Mr. Hawke: "With an "e"?"
Tax Collector: "It could be Plaguerat."
Mr. Hawke: "Hawke sounds good."


Heh, if you find that amusing, you should hear about Stephan Den Beste's name.  Apparently a lot of Dutch surnames are extremely odd because there literally was a government announcement along the lines of "you must have a last name starting December 20th" so a bunch of people made theirs up on the spot.

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Shepard was named after the late Alan Shepard, the second person in space and the fifth to walk on the moon.

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Stanley Woo wrote...

Shepard was named after the late Alan Shepard, the second person in space and the fifth to walk on the moon.


Ahh, now it makes sense. I think you guys are getting a little too deep with "Jesus = Shepard" stuff LOOOL!! :D

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Perfect-Kenshin wrote...
Who came up with it and why? What does the name mean for the character? We know Shepard was named Shepard because he is more or less suppossed to be a reference to Jesus (watches over humanity and the rest of the galaxy as a spectre in attempt to keep it out of harms way, saves everyone in the galaxy (jews and gentiles), not just humans (jews) therefore causing some humans (jews) to have a problem with him, rises from the dead, the reapers practically consider him a god, etc).

God...
Whenever someone makes this comparison I always think: Renegade Jesus?

Shepard was named after the first guy in space.

EDIT: Ok, second guy in space.

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GodWood wrote...

Shepard was named after the first guy in space.

Yuri Gagarin!


GodWood wrote...

Whenever someone makes this comparison I always think: Renegade Jesus?

Do you not remember the story of the money lenders? Where he turns over their tables. Then pushes one of them out of a sky scraper.

Modifié par ziggehunderslash, 01 décembre 2010 - 05:49 .


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Wouldn't that actually make Shepard an allegory to Battle Pope?

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Stanley Woo not withstanding, I think it is fair to say "Shepard" does have messianic overtones. I would not go so far as to say allegory, but overtones are definitely there. We don't need to freak out about this though-- the Bible has influenced a whole freakin' lot of Western storytelling. ME has also borrowed ideas from many religions and cultures. Samara's name has a special meaning in Arabic and she says flat-out she's like a samurai.



Anyhoo, the significance of the name "Hawke" is purely speculative at this point. Its predatory and messenger overtones are interesting, but this thread does remind us pretty clearly:



We have basically no effin' idea what the story is... lawl.

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Samara may state she is like a samurai but she is nothing like a samurai.

Shes more like a comic book hero.

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ziggehunderslash wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Shepard was named after the first guy in space.

Yuri Gagarin!


GodWood wrote...

Whenever someone makes this comparison I always think: Renegade Jesus?

Do you not remember the story of the money lenders? Where he turns over their tables. Then pushes one of them out of a sky scraper.


I always thought it was kind of obvious that Shepard was named after Alan Shepard. That may be just because a friend of mine and myself are both space/history nerds.

I can't help it, www.youtube.com/watch <- M!Shep's favorite parts of the Bible :P.

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So you're saying samurai did not, in fact, have bodacious ta-tas? How dare you.



My point remains though. ME's writers had their hands in many cookie jars.