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[Johnny Chaos]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Shepard was named after the late Alan Shepard, the second person in space and the fifth to walk on the moon.

so Jesus did walk on the moon

[Allison W]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

[ . . . ] Hawkes are adapt hunters and have the highest IQ amongst birds. [ . . . ]

At the risk of pedantry, African grey parrot. Though the PC being named "African grey parrot" wouldn't roll off the tongue nearly as easily as "Hawke."

[Winter Wraith]

Allison W wrote...
At the risk of pedantry, African grey parrot. Though the PC being named "African grey parrot" wouldn't roll off the tongue nearly as easily as "Hawke."

It would lead nicely into a reference to the dead parrot sketch though, should African Grey Parrot shuffle off the mortal coil.

Modifié par Winter Wraith, 01 décembre 2010 - 07:51 .

[Ulicus]

Johnny Chaos wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Shepard was named after the late Alan Shepard, the second person in space and the fifth to walk on the moon.

so Jesus did walk on the moon

No, but he moonwalked on water.

Modifié par Ulicus, 01 décembre 2010 - 10:31 .

[Kail Ashton]

lol i like that this thread is the equivilent of "kids say the darndest things" it's somehow fitting

[thegreateski]

Not everything is symbolic.

[philbo1965uk]

Hawke ....from the hellenistic greek ' Kuon-kopro'



A rough English translation is lack of continuity..so very fitting in this instance.

[wwwwowwww]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Who came up with it and why? What does the name mean for the character? We know Shepard was named Shepard because he is more or less suppossed to be a reference to Jesus (watches over humanity and the rest of the galaxy as a spectre in attempt to keep it out of harms way, saves everyone in the galaxy (jews and gentiles), not just humans (jews) therefore causing some humans (jews) to have a problem with him, rises from the dead, the reapers practically consider him a god, etc). But what about Hawke? Surely the writers didn't just choose a random name because they thought it sounded good and added into the appeal of silly taglines like "Think like a general" and "Fight like a spartan."

Perhaps Hawke is a reference to the animal. Hawkes are adapt hunters and have the highest IQ amongst birds. So perhaps Hawke is extremely intelligent and is hunting something throughout the game. Maybe he has good eyesight too. Ideas?

Sounds like you assume much and know little.

[AlexXIV]

Adjective
hawkish (comparative more hawkish, superlative most hawkish)

• Supportive of warlike foreign policy; bellicose; inclined toward military action.
  
  The Prime Minister could count on the support of a hawkish majority in Parliament to support the invasion.
• Favouring increasing interest rates; inclined towards increasing interest rates.
  
  The Federal Reserve's recent statement on the slowing of inflation was interpreted as hawkish by the market.

[AlexXIV]

AlexXIV wrote...

Adjective
hawkish (comparative more hawkish, superlative most hawkish)

• Supportive of warlike foreign policy; bellicose; inclined toward military action.
  
  The Prime Minister could count on the support of a hawkish majority in Parliament to support the invasion.
  
  
• Favouring increasing interest rates; inclined towards increasing interest rates.
  
  The Federal Reserve's recent statement on the slowing of inflation was interpreted as hawkish by the market.

Also:




The term refers to the predatory, stern nature of the hawk. In finance, hawkish refers to a negative outlook on inflation, implying that price levels are too high. "Hawkish" is an adjective typically used to describe monetary policy which favors higher interest rates, tighter monetary controls and restrictive credit policy.

Officials are referred to as being "hawkish" when they emphasize the dangers of inflation rather than focusing on the need for growth. "Hawkish" stands in contrast to "dovish" which emphasizes a more accommodative monetary policy.

The entomology behind the term comes from the predatorily, high flying and positive symbol of the hawk - as opposed to dove, or dovish. 

Modifié par AlexXIV, 01 décembre 2010 - 12:10 .

[Cazlee]

philbo1965uk wrote...

Hawke ....from the hellenistic greek ' Kuon-kopro'

A rough English translation is lack of continuity..so very fitting in this instance.

I don't know if this is true or not, but lol.

I like your guys' conclusion that the name "Hawke" could represent that he a messenger.
But what is his messenge? Death and destruction, war, hope, salvation? And where did the message originate?
It would be cool if Andraste prophecized about the coming of Hawke.

All I could think of when I hear the word "hawke" is the idioms that involve being "watched like a hawk"

Edit: That dove vs. hawk  symbolism is interesting, perhaps our beloved family has a history of being warmongers? lol

Modifié par Cazlee, 01 décembre 2010 - 01:48 .

[SnakeHelah]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Shepard was named after the late Alan Shepard, the second person in space and the fifth to walk on the moon.

Hah! I knew it! I Knew it's nothing to do with religion like some of you guys interpreted. lol

[Shepard Lives]

Man, it really is true that Everyone Is Jesus In Purgatory.

[Bootsykk]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Shepard is more likely a reference to leadership than a full on Jesus allegory.

Heheh. Yeah, I'm probably grasping just a wee bit. Still, there are quite a few Biblical references in ME2. And Shepard has 12 Squadmates. Jesus had 12 disciples. Don't get me wrong. There are several other characters whom I believe the writers had in mind too.

Dude.

9 in the morning, and though I made the connection between ME2 and bible symbolism...

MIND IS BLOWN. How in Hells name did you pick up on all this???

[nightcobra]

Juneya wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Shepard is more likely a reference to leadership than a full on Jesus allegory.

Heheh. Yeah, I'm probably grasping just a wee bit. Still, there are quite a few Biblical references in ME2. And Shepard has 12 Squadmates. Jesus had 12 disciples. Don't get me wrong. There are several other characters whom I believe the writers had in mind too.

Dude.

9 in the morning, and though I made the connection between ME2 and bible symbolism...

MIND IS BLOWN. How in Hells name did you pick up on all this???

[Selene Moonsong]

Hawke works well for me as a name and doesn't need to have any special meaning or come from anywhere specific from the real world. I'm sure that the Dev Team would have a game world etymology if necessary...

[Tranceptor]

shepard_lives wrote...

Man, it really is true that Everyone Is Jesus In Purgatory.

Yup. Though the existance of Chantry and the 'maker' make it easy to arrive to that conclusion.

While ME2 is simply Faux Symbolism

[Shad0wOGRE]

In Ancient Ferelden, Hawke means kicking ass and chewing bubblegum but they haven't invented bubblegum yet.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's try and get this back on topic, please. Thank you.

[Koralis]

Not really grasping in my opinion.

Jesus = savior of humanity
Shepherd = savior of humanity


Both adhere to the Messiah myth, though in different terms (jesus basically spiritual, Shepherd physically stopping the forces of darkness, etc.)




As for Hawke, it could be a reference to keen sight... maybe he "sees" things that no one else does, whether that's literally, spiritually (fade?) or in terms of uncovering secrets remains to be seen.

[Schuback]

It's not possible to explain what Hawke means. That's like explaining how an airplane fly.

[upsettingshorts]

Schuback wrote...

It's not possible to explain what Hawke means. That's like explaining how an airplane fly.

Surely you can't be serious.

[Schuback]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Schuback wrote...

It's not possible to explain what Hawke means. That's like explaining how an airplane fly.

Surely you can't be serious.

Ned Flanders.

[Atakuma]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Schuback wrote...

It's not possible to explain what Hawke means. That's like explaining how an airplane fly.

Surely you can't be serious.

I am serious... and don't call me Shirley.
In honor of Leslie Nielsen

Modifié par Atakuma, 01 décembre 2010 - 09:11 .

[Saibh]

Koralis wrote...

Not really grasping in my opinion.

Jesus = savior of humanity
Shepherd = savior of humanity


Both adhere to the Messiah myth, though in different terms (jesus basically spiritual, Shepherd physically stopping the forces of darkness, etc.)

As for Hawke, it could be a reference to keen sight... maybe he "sees" things that no one else does, whether that's literally, spiritually (fade?) or in terms of uncovering secrets remains to be seen.

Of course, the problem with Everyone Is Jesus In Purgatory is that you assume any broad archetype can be instantly pointed out to mean symbolism.

"Saving humanity/galaxy/world/anything" is incredibly broad, and it applies to a lot. That does not mean it's an allegory for Jesus and the Bible. I think that it's not insane to say that there's a link, but I think that it wasn't intentional.

The same way that Morrigan having a lot of connections to The Morrigan is an incredible, unplanned coincidence. It just is. In Shepard's case, you're even building up a story over more than one game, so there's more time to see connections, like his death and resurrection. I doubt the designers had that plot point in mind when they conceived Mass Effect.