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[Kloreep]

So, it seems I'm having some different gripes about the Fade than what most of my searching is turning up. I don't have a problem with the shapeshifting puzzles, I'm not driven away by the ambience... but I just can't win combats to save my life.

I rolled a Rogue and have been trying to make an Archer out of her. This has worked decently in normal combat, where Alistair can wade in to soak up the damage while she stays at range and hopefully attracts fewer attacks. Not working so well now that I'm forced to solo with her, and she's already in the best armor she can wear (some kind of medium stuff, chain mail I think).

I worked my way through most of the Burning Tower using Pinning, Crippling, and Shattering shots plus Dirty Fighting to minimize how many blows enemies actually get in. However, once I tried to go up agaist the Templar and his demon I kept getting slaughtered while hardly making a dent. In frustration I turned to walkthroughs, and they suggested the Darkspawn Horde might be a better island to go after first. There, however, I cannot even win the fights leading up to the battle for the form. I run into a couple of normal Hurlocks plus an Emissary as my first fight, and I'm toast.

I guess if I spent most of my remaining health poultices, I could possibly get through that fight in Darkspawn Horde by sheer persistence. But I'm pretty low on poultices at this point. If I use the rest before I've even gotten to a boss battle, how am I ever going to make it through the entire Fade?

Is there a strategy I'm missing? Right now I'm feeling I made a mistake choosing this for my first main quest, if not at the very start of the game when I went for a Rogue.

Modifié par Kloreep, 01 décembre 2010 - 05:18 .

[Janni-in-VA]

Shapeshifting is your friend. Try shifting to the golem form to soak up damage or the burning man for his fireball ability.

[Kloreep]

That's my problem, I only have the mouse form right now. The only form I've even reached a battle for is the Templar's, and I am nowhere near being able to win that battle in my normal form, so I suspect burning is out.

I suppose the golem's island would be the last one I haven't tried, though. Perhaps I should see about picking that form up before the other two?

Modifié par Kloreep, 01 décembre 2010 - 05:36 .

[caradoc2000]

Kloreep wrote...

I suppose the golem's island would be the last one I haven't tried, though. Perhaps I should see about picking that form up before the other two?

That would be Mage Asunder, yes. However, that is even more difficult than the others. There are lots of mages and golems.

Also, you'll need the burning man form to get to the golem form.

[kyles3]

i wish i could help, but i just turn the difficulty to casual and blast through it as fast as i can. time has done nothing to dull my hatred for this section of the game.

[mousestalker]

You're on the PC. There is an excellent mod called 'Skip the Fade' that allows you to do just that.

[Janni-in-VA]

mousestalker wrote...

You're on the PC. There is an excellent mod called 'Skip the Fade' that allows you to do just that.

I second that motion.  I even used it on a character who'd already entered the Fade.  You still get all the attribute and experience points, you just don't have to play through the whole benighted thing.  You'll be teleported to each companion's dream, then to the final battle with Sloth.  Hey, I played through the Fade for at least eight playthroughs.  I felt I deserved a break. 

[soteria]

I usually always get the burning man first. If you have defensive fire and master archer, that gives +30 defense. I don't know what else to suggest other than melee--I assume you do have defensive fire.

[x-president]

Do you have anything else like posion making or possibly Ranger?  If you have posion making just create a bunch of bombs.  That should do the trick to get one of the forms.  That's if you have the supplies.

All you need is at least one of the other 3 forms and you should have no problem getting through.  Burning Man absolutely owns in the fade. 

[DWSmiley]

I always go for Burning Man first, too. Fireball helps a lot to get the spirit form next.

[Ferretinabun]

I've just done the Fade as an archer rogue (Ranger). Not being able to call a pet is a pain, but it's still do-able. The thing is, are you trying to use you bow exclusively? No harm in firing off a few shots and then whipping out daggers when they get into melee range. Even if you don't have any dual-wield talents, as a rogue you start the game with Dirty Fighting and this can buy you time for a few nice backstabs. Plus as an archer you'll likely have pumped dexterity a bit which helps your defence no end. Sticking exclusively to a bow is an unnecessary hinderance.

And yes, best to get Burning Man first. And once you do you'll be a much more formidable fighter.

[cJohnOne]

I didn't even know you could get burning man first. I always get Spirit Form. I think I have to use Stealth and a dagger with a bowman there.

[Wyldsong]

My recommendation: Traps (if you can set them up before the fight) and poison are your friend. If you have neither on hand, I would go to a save point before you entered the Fade, and get the stuff to make them.



Now, I have never taken a rogue through the fade, and my memory of the layout of the Fade, has, well, faded. What I would consider doing is, save the game a lot (after every fight). Once you kind of figure out where the foes are located, I would find a point, if possible, that you can pull them to. Litter that point with traps, traps, and more traps.



Being a ranged fighter is your friend here. Move to the closest point you can to the enemies, without agroing them, tag one with your bow, and lead them back to the point with traps. Hopefully you will not have pulled too many, and leading them through the traps while you scattershot and hit with your other ranged attacks (don't forget bombs), well hopefully this can pull you a win (this tactic has worked for me on a few tough maps). It can be a long, slow process, but if you are smart about it, it can be a useful tactic.



Again though, this depends on the map setup, if you have good points to lead your foes to, and if you can do it without pulling too many at once.



Another option...download a respec mod, temporarily respec your character into a melee build for the fade, then respec back to archery when you can.

[Brozan]

I just went thorugh the fade twice yesterday ugh!  This was with a warrior and a mage but my first playthorugh some weeks ago was with a rogue.

I found the fade battles pretty hard no matter what my class build was.  I found it best to do a lot of rapid shapechanging to use verous special abilities to take control of the battle.

I alwaysgo for the spirit form fiirst yo ucan avoid most of the battles up tll that fight.  Bring lots of health pots you wona't make itthroughthe Fade without them.  Use poisons and traps as has been mentioned.  Don't be afraid to retreatto a room you've already cleared sometimes not allthe mobs wil lfollow and you can have afew precous seconds without being pounded on.

Also note that when shapechanging backto your own form you have toreactivate any modes you use such as rapid shot momentum etc.

[Jaryd theBlackDragon]

Brozan wrote...

I just went thorugh the fade twice yesterday ugh!  This was with a warrior and a mage but my first playthorugh some weeks ago was with a rogue.

I found the fade battles pretty hard no matter what my class build was.  I found it best to do a lot of rapid shapechanging to use verous special abilities to take control of the battle.

Dual wielding warrior makes every fight easy (well, almost every fight )

I alwaysgo for the spirit form fiirst yo ucan avoid most of the battles up tll that fight.  Bring lots of health pots you wona't make itthroughthe Fade without them.  Use poisons and traps as has been mentioned.  Don't be afraid to retreatto a room you've already cleared sometimes not allthe mobs wil lfollow and you can have afew precous seconds without being pounded on.

Also note that when shapechanging backto your own form you have toreactivate any modes you use such as rapid shot momentum etc.

I try to grab burning man first when possible, the aoe nuke comes in very handy and can one shot a lot of the more annoying enemies (read: mages). Of all the times I've done that part archer was the hardest by a very big margin, I'd suggest leaving mage tower for as late as possible but I guess it's too late for that ;-)

As other people said, be sure to have load upon loads of health potions, you'll need them until you get your first form (not counting mouse here).

[Lekwid]

mousestalker wrote...

You're on the PC. There is an excellent mod called 'Skip the Fade' that allows you to do just that.

That mod is just awesome.  The fade totally blows.
Thank goodness for mods!

[psychocandy]

whilst skip the fade is ok...beaware it could be technically called a cheat as it gives you all the codecs and stat increases without any effort, id rather do the fade, its no more a pain than the deep roads

[tonnactus]

Scattershot and defensive fire should help.Also a good bow like the sorrows of arlathan if you have the download content.No need for melee.Also,use salves that protect against fire and electricity(mages) damage.

Its doable even on nightmare,but i think the Dlc-Itemsmake that far easier.

[aerowreck]

The spirit form has regeneration and crushing prison -spells, and they always make that form my first pick. It hits a decent amount in melee too, and has fair defence/armor. Darkspawn invasion is a reasonable run even in nightmare, atleast up until the form.