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[XX55XX]

If BioWare had stripped away most of the gameplay elements from ME2, like combat, mining, hell, even the exploration, it still would have made for an excellent interactive movie.

My point is, ME2's gameplay was solid, but it was not the reason why I picked it up at launch. The story (well, maybe not so much), the choices, and the characters were enticing. Making decisions and interacting with the characters were the game's main draw for me.

Anyone else share similar sentiments?

[AdmiralCheez]

Totally agree, but there are people here who don't. Brace for flaming.

[XX55XX]

And to justify my point, if I really wanted to play a good shooter, I would play something else. Even though ME2 combat has improved dramatically over ME1, it is still lacking in some ways...

[Spornicus]

It's funny. For a Mass Effect forum, people sure do talk about how they hate Mass Effect often. Who argue opinion and perspective endlessly. Who never ever even consider the other side. Who personally insult people who don't agree with them.



Thank you, XX55XX. Fight the good fight.

[Rip504]

I also Love the ME series for what it is. One of the greatest games of all time,and one of the Best trilogies of all time. Still waiting on the third installment and I say this everyday to new ppl I meet. Hey what about you?



"Ps. Geth are EVIL!!! HaHaHa"

[SithLordExarKun]

I kinda agree. If i wanted an action packed shooter and not a game like ME2, i would be killing ****'s in World at war or killing Americans in MW2.

But just to let you know a few ME1 fanatics are going to hijack this thread and turn this into "I hate ME2, it ruined my wildest wet dreams" thread.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 02 décembre 2010 - 02:28 .

[Luigitornado]

Spornicus wrote...

It's funny. For a Mass Effect forum, people sure do talk about how they hate Mass Effect often. Who argue opinion and perspective endlessly. Who never ever even consider the other side. Who personally insult people who don't agree with them.

Thank you, XX55XX. Fight the good fight.

It's like that with every fan site

I came here because I enjoy Mass Effect, and wanted to talk about the story with people who enjoyed it as much as me. I didn't come here trying to convince nitpicking fans, why ME2 is a great game. Now that I find myself doing it, I'm not too sure I want to be with this community for that much longer.

Modifié par Luigitornado, 02 décembre 2010 - 02:33 .

[Big I]

I liked ME2 for both the story and the gameplay, but it was the gameplay that was the stronger element. It took what was frustrating about the ME gameplay and made it much, much better. On the other hand the story, while good regarding the squad, was noticeably weaker than ME.



So, I'm not sure I would have been as invested in ME2 as an interactive movie.

[Spornicus]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

I kinda agree. If i wanted an action packed shooter and not a game like ME2, i would be killing ****'s in World at war or killing Americans in MW2.

But just to let you know a few ME1 fanatics are going to hijack this thread and turn this into "I hate ME2, it ruined my wildest wet dreams" thread.

Bring it on.

[gadna13]

Interesting perspective. I have to admit my reasoning for picking it up was due to the combat looking pretty nice. I don't think I even knew about the dialogue and character interaction stuff at the time. Even now I think I still enjoy the combat more.



But hey, to each his own right? It's an excellent game.

[AntiChri5]

If anyone tries to take the combat out of the game i will kill them.



With a spoon.

[Fixers0]

I like Mass effect 2 it's very enjoyable when playing it, but when you start looking at the game has whole , you must noticed that there are some serious problems with the plot, There are a lot of things that don't make sense if you think through them for a while.

[Dionkey]

Maybe I was the only one who thought I was more tactical in ME1 than 2 combat wise?

[rma2110]

I agree 100%. I love the universe ME's writers created and most of the people that inhabit it. The game is fun, but it's the story that makes it great. Yes, I know that any story will fall to bits of you nit-pick at it enough. For all it's flaws, it is plainly obvious that the game was made by people who love it, and that is a rare thing nowadays. I can't wait to see where this goes.

[EffectedByTheMasses]

Dionkey wrote...

Maybe I was the only one who thought I was more tactical in ME1 than 2 combat wise?

Definitely not. In ME1 even up to hardcore, it was essentially CC powers and then shooting a helpless enemy to death. I found that ME2 was way more tactical.

On topic: I didn't notice any plot holes (except maybe the pre-Collector Base crew abduction, but even that wasn't entirely too irksome) until I read about them on the forums, and then I was like, 'oh. yeah.' The human Reaper was pretty amazing the first time around. Harbinger, while not exactly soil-my-pants scary, was still an intimidating antagonist. I liked Jacob the first time around and I still do. I loved all the choices in the game and it definitely had a cinematic feel.

[Niddy']

Combat sucked honestly, hiding in cover for the major of the game is 90% of every shooter in gaming. Which is tired and overused. I just got shot 14 times, better huddle behind this wall for 6 seconds so my wounds go away.... Exploration? huh?

Modifié par Niddy', 02 décembre 2010 - 07:49 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

The Mass Effect series is just amazing in general; everything from the concept of the cinematic dialog system, to it's merging of shooter/RPG aspects (well, minus a lot of the RPG in ME2, unfortunately), to the depth of the universe and the compelling characters that you meet... it really is a breakthrough!



I'll still push Bioware to make it better, though. That's what a fan does.

[Undertone]

Luigitornado wrote...

Spornicus wrote...

It's funny. For a Mass Effect forum, people sure do talk about how they hate Mass Effect often. Who argue opinion and perspective endlessly. Who never ever even consider the other side. Who personally insult people who don't agree with them.

Thank you, XX55XX. Fight the good fight.

It's like that with every fan site

I came here because I enjoy Mass Effect, and wanted to talk about the story with people who enjoyed it as much as me. I didn't come here trying to convince nitpicking fans, why ME2 is a great game. Now that I find myself doing it, I'm not too sure I want to be with this community for that much longer.

I am probably one of those people you guys hint at. Despite the plot holes and problems, hell despite the baby reaper ME2 is still a great game and one of my favourites and a great experience. Do I consider ME1 superior to ME2? Yes I do, in some departments. Not all though.

I am sure all of us hardcore ME1 fans would tell you the same. If we absolutely hated the game we wouldn't be here, wasting our time talking about it, discussing etc. But critism is always a good thing, we all want ME3 to be the ultimate experience don't we? Constructive critism provides solutions or ideas for bringing the next game to that covetted status.

Modifié par Undertone, 02 décembre 2010 - 09:08 .

[Pacifien]

This forum makes me sad in that I have to look at just about every thread and there is a surprisingly large number of them that have posters that make reference to the inferiority of ME2 versus their expectations. They criticize me often for constantly steering such topics to the Disappointment With Mass Effect 2 thread because they fail to realize just how pervasive such discussion is. They're only mentioning it in one or two threads, yeah? Only then someone else is also mentioning it in one or two threads. As is someone else. And someone else.

And people who browse through the forum might then think "does everyone dislike this game?" Perhaps it is only six people participating in 18 different threads, making it appear as if 18 different people dislike the game. Or perhaps it is 18 people participating in six different threads, keeping the ongoing discussion of their displeasure going strong for others to note.

Perhaps Mass Effect 2 was akin to the release of The Phantom Menace, where a legion of fans eagerly awaited the followup to their beloved series only to have Jar Jar Binks crush their dreams and hopes. Only a select few are willing to see Jar Jar for the harmless character he is.

It is also said that it easier to find fault than praise. People could very well have enjoyed playing Mass Effect 2, but the longer they ruminate upon their playthrough, the cracks start to show through. You focus on the cracks and start to see the hairline fractures. You put pressure upon it, and it shatters. You could have left it alone, but cracks are ever so distracting the more you look upon them.

What is there to say to the people who'd rather not focus on such disappointments? There are several who participate in the strategy forum. They have their strategy-specific complaints and recommendations for the next game, but overall they are dedicated to the game. Perhaps that fact fuels the argument that Mass Effect 2 was significantly altered from its predecessor to cater to a particular clientele, but that doesn't change the fact that the strategy community was strong for Mass Effect 1 and that liking a game for different reasons than your own somehow makes the people and the game inferior to you.

There are several people who participate in the character discussion forums, devoted to their favorite characters who were introduced in the second game. Is it wrong to enjoy a game so thoroughly simply for the love of a character, a game that was described by its developers as being about the characters? Or perhaps it is wrong because your favorite character was from the previous game and was overshadowed with subpar replacements.

A game is a sum of its parts. How many parts failed you probably dictate your overall impression of the game. I dislike threads that focus on the general nature of the game because those threads are all-encompassing. You could discussing anything and everything in a thread open to generalities. If you create a thread dedicated on the extremely broad topic of "overall story," you can then be incredibly selective in what elements you choose to bring into your argument to prove your point.

For instance, winter is horrible. The temperature is freezing for months on end. The days are short. The winds are biting. Snow turns to grey mush along the roadside. The driving conditions are hazardous. There are no watermelons.

But the holiday lights are bright in the long nights. Snow can glisten when freshly fallen. Children go ice skating. People build snowmen. There is pumpkin pie. Perhaps as a whole, winter is truly inferior to summer. But my point is that winter is a far-reaching concept, and I could pick and choose various elements about the season that put it in a bad light.

As such, I encourage the development of threads with very specific goals in mind. There should not be one thread to discuss all things krogan. Perhaps one thread discusses the genophage. Another discusses the blood rage. Another discusses Clan Weyrloc. Or with Cerberus, it is easy to create one thread just to discuss Cerberus. But there are so many things about this organization that can fuel their own individual threads.

And so we come to ME2 in general. Sure, you could throw every single reason why you didn't like ME2 into one thread. And I will simply close the thread and redirect you to the disappointment with ME2 thread. Why? Because you are speaking in generalities, and that thread is for speaking about the game in generalities. Even if you created a thread simply to discuss ME2's story, you are talking in too broad of terms because ME2 is a game of many stories and one story. Are you discussing the stories of the 12 squadmates? Are you discussing Shepard's story? Are you discussing the story of the Reapers? Are you discussing the story of the Collectors?

So for the people who enjoy Mass Effect 2, I simply advise to avoid threads of generalities. I encourage you to create your own threads. Not just threads to state your enjoyment, but why you enjoyed it. What beliefs of yours did you bring into the story as you played it? What is it about a singing salarian that pleases you so? What is it about Omega's ambience that gives you the feeling you are wandering through Hong Kong?

[Da_Lion_Man]

I perhaps could say that for Mass Effect 1. I can't for Mass Effect 2 though, most of the fun I had was while shooting everything and doing the loyalty missions.

[Encarmine]

Just a quick note to say I love ME2 as it is. This game has given me hours and hours of enjoyment, even on my 6th play through im still seeing new things, hearing new conversations.

And im about to play ME1 for the first time, so im expecting even more new scenes and possible endings for ME3.

At this point, its fair to say, I would buy a Turd in a Box if it had Biowear written on it, as i know it would be an amazing turd.

Just dont do an activision on us and go all wierd and quasi-evil.

+1 to the mods post, keep it alive dude!

Modifié par Encarmine, 02 décembre 2010 - 04:31 .

[Da_Lion_Man]

Pacifien wrote...

This forum makes me sad in that I have to look at just about every thread and there is a surprisingly large number of them that have posters that make reference to the inferiority of ME2 versus their expectations. They criticize me often for constantly steering such topics to the Disappointment With Mass Effect 2 thread because they fail to realize just how pervasive such discussion is. They're only mentioning it in one or two threads, yeah? Only then someone else is also mentioning it in one or two threads. As is someone else. And someone else.

And people who browse through the forum might then think "does everyone dislike this game?" Perhaps it is only six people participating in 18 different threads, making it appear as if 18 different people dislike the game. Or perhaps it is 18 people participating in six different threads, keeping the ongoing discussion of their displeasure going strong for others to note.

Perhaps Mass Effect 2 was akin to the release of The Phantom Menace, where a legion of fans eagerly awaited the followup to their beloved series only to have Jar Jar Binks crush their dreams and hopes. Only a select few are willing to see Jar Jar for the harmless character he is.

It is also said that it easier to find fault than praise. People could very well have enjoyed playing Mass Effect 2, but the longer they ruminate upon their playthrough, the cracks start to show through. You focus on the cracks and start to see the hairline fractures. You put pressure upon it, and it shatters. You could have left it alone, but cracks are ever so distracting the more you look upon them.

What is there to say to the people who'd rather not focus on such disappointments? There are several who participate in the strategy forum. They have their strategy-specific complaints and recommendations for the next game, but overall they are dedicated to the game. Perhaps that fact fuels the argument that Mass Effect 2 was significantly altered from its predecessor to cater to a particular clientele, but that doesn't change the fact that the strategy community was strong for Mass Effect 1 and that liking a game for different reasons than your own somehow makes the people and the game inferior to you.

There are several people who participate in the character discussion forums, devoted to their favorite characters who were introduced in the second game. Is it wrong to enjoy a game so thoroughly simply for the love of a character, a game that was described by its developers as being about the characters? Or perhaps it is wrong because your favorite character was from the previous game and was overshadowed with subpar replacements.

A game is a sum of its parts. How many parts failed you probably dictate your overall impression of the game. I dislike threads that focus on the general nature of the game because those threads are all-encompassing. You could discussing anything and everything in a thread open to generalities. If you create a thread dedicated on the extremely broad topic of "overall story," you can then be incredibly selective in what elements you choose to bring into your argument to prove your point.

For instance, winter is horrible. The temperature is freezing for months on end. The days are short. The winds are biting. Snow turns to grey mush along the roadside. The driving conditions are hazardous. There are no watermelons.

But the holiday lights are bright in the long nights. Snow can glisten when freshly fallen. Children go ice skating. People build snowmen. There is pumpkin pie. Perhaps as a whole, winter is truly inferior to summer. But my point is that winter is a far-reaching concept, and I could pick and choose various elements about the season that put it in a bad light.

As such, I encourage the development of threads with very specific goals in mind. There should not be one thread to discuss all things krogan. Perhaps one thread discusses the genophage. Another discusses the blood rage. Another discusses Clan Weyrloc. Or with Cerberus, it is easy to create one thread just to discuss Cerberus. But there are so many things about this organization that can fuel their own individual threads.

And so we come to ME2 in general. Sure, you could throw every single reason why you didn't like ME2 into one thread. And I will simply close the thread and redirect you to the disappointment with ME2 thread. Why? Because you are speaking in generalities, and that thread is for speaking about the game in generalities. Even if you created a thread simply to discuss ME2's story, you are talking in too broad of terms because ME2 is a game of many stories and one story. Are you discussing the stories of the 12 squadmates? Are you discussing Shepard's story? Are you discussing the story of the Reapers? Are you discussing the story of the Collectors?

So for the people who enjoy Mass Effect 2, I simply advise to avoid threads of generalities. I encourage you to create your own threads. Not just threads to state your enjoyment, but why you enjoyed it. What beliefs of yours did you bring into the story as you played it? What is it about a singing salarian that pleases you so? What is it about Omega's ambience that gives you the feeling you are wandering through Hong Kong?

Amazing post there, but you shouldn't forget this is a developers forum, such forums are usually full of complaints. Sad but true. If you can't stand the complaining, then the only thing you can do is just avoid the forum all together.

Modifié par Da_Lion_Man, 02 décembre 2010 - 04:33 .

[Tonymac]

@Pacifen,



Your wall of text critted my eyes. Really man - sheesh.



Most of us, ( I am assuming 99%) really do enjoy this game - why else would we be in the forums? We love the game. Its practically a given.



Can the game be better? Is there room for improvement? Is this a forum? Do we come here to share ideas that we think would make the game better? If I think the game can be better, does it necessarily mean that I am disappointed?



General discussions can and will cover many and just about any topics - even mild disappointment over some little this or that. Just because a few people don't like a certain aspect of the game does not mean that we all hate it, or are totally disappointed. Perhaps their voices are heard in several forum threads, perhaps they are slightly overheard, but we as citizens of this thread can see that as well.



Everyone hates a crybaby.

[Nozybidaj]

Luigitornado wrote...



I came here because I enjoy Mass Effect, and wanted to talk about the story with people who enjoyed it as much as me. I didn't come here trying to convince nitpicking fans, why ME2 is a great game. Now that I find myself doing it, I'm not too sure I want to be with this community for that much longer.

Why do you feel the need to try and convince anyone of anything?



No matter what side of an issue you are on in this forum (and others like it) you are not going to convince anyone of anything. Find a thread discussing those things you want to discuss and participate in it, avoid the ones discussing things you don't want to participate in.

[Pacifien]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...
Amazing post there, but you shouldn't forget this is a developers forum, such forums are usually full of complaints. Sad but true.*snip*

No, this is not a developers forum. The developers reserve the right to never glance once at these forums if they so choose. Luckily for us, they do glance over here once in awhile because it is a good source of feedback. It is, however, not the only source for feedback nor should one make the assumption their feedback is automatically looked upon with a critical eye.

These forums are primarily for the use of the fans to discuss the games, good or bad.