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[Luigitornado]

@JeanLuc761



Don't forget probing planets. It's like level grinding without the annoying combat music.

[JeanLuc761]

Luigitornado wrote...

@JeanLuc761

Don't forget probing planets. It's like level grinding without the annoying combat music.

I'm not a huge fan of the mining, but if you spread it out to mining 4-5 planets after every mission, it works just fine.

[Onyx Jaguar]

But it's got pretty Vector graphics

[Luigitornado]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

But it's got pretty Vector graphics

Especially when probing Uranus. 

[Gibb_Shepard]

Tonymac wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Tonymac wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

[It's not a godamn FPS

And i got the impression that you haven't played ME1 yet, go and play it and ME2 will be 10x better.

DUDE

GO read what I wrote again.  Read it.  Please.  And its time to hit the decaf.

Went back, read it a second time, my reply still stands.

Ok, I stated that I've not played ME1 at all.  I have no intention of getting it.

Sure, technically its not an FPS - I was actually referring to the combat portion of the game.  I enjoy it immensely.

Could the game stand without the combat portion?  Sure.  Would I still want to play it?  Sorry man, no way.  I enjoy the combat portion way too much. 

As an aside, I dunno if a game this good can honestly be 10x better.  I'm not sure thats possible. 

You have no intention of getting ME1? Why? I don't understand why you would not want to play the first game in a trilogy, let alone the first game in a series that actually lets you carry over your character and decisions.

Well a game this good is most definitely enhanced considerably if you've played ME1, but that is dependant on whether or not you actually pay attention to the story in Mass Effect 2, and not just the combat.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I pay attention to the vector graphics



You could rip everything out of ME and leave them and I would be immeasurably pleased

[SithLordExarKun]

Perfect song to describe some of the worst ME2 haters here.

[kraidy1117]

Luigitornado wrote...

@JeanLuc761

Don't forget probing planets. It's like level grinding without the annoying combat music.

Planet scaning music puts me to sleep.

[Luigitornado]

SO then listen to the Pokemon battle theme, while planet scanning.



"Wild URANUS appeared!"



"Go NORMADY!"



"NORMADY used PROBE!"



"Wild URANUS became CONFUSED."

[kraidy1117]

Luigitornado wrote...

SO then listen to the Pokemon battle theme, while planet scanning.

"Wild URANUS appeared!"

"Go NORMADY!"

"NORMADY used PROBE!"

"Wild URANUS became CONFUSED."

The Pokemon battle music is at least fast paced, not slow and dull.

[pacer90]

Luigitornado wrote...

SO then listen to the Pokemon battle theme, while planet scanning.

"Wild URANUS appeared!"

"Go NORMADY!"

"NORMADY used PROBE!"

"Wild URANUS became CONFUSED."

"Wild URANUS used Chlorine Gas!

"NORMANDY was poisoned!"

------

Post fight Shepard: "No antidotes..."

"NORMANDY has fainted from POISON!"

Gary: "Hey Shepard! I caught a bunch of super powerful pokemon! Come on lets duel!"




FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

mrsph wrote...

The only thing that will make Mass Effect 3 awesome is a magical space genie that only Shepard can see.

[Jerecaine]

I like both games, but the combat in 2 is MILES better. More refined. I certainly wouldn't play it if was mostly all story.



That's what I watch movies for

[Jerecaine]

Niddy' wrote...

Combat sucked honestly, hiding in cover for the major of the game is 90% of every shooter in gaming. Which is tired and overused. I just got shot 14 times, better huddle behind this wall for 6 seconds so my wounds go away.... Exploration? huh?

Well, of course. You can't just run around and shoot everything without being punished. The game would be too easy

[rasblak]

Jerecaine wrote...

Niddy' wrote...
Combat sucked honestly, hiding in cover for the major of the game is 90% of every shooter in gaming. Which is tired and overused. I just got shot 14 times, better huddle behind this wall for 6 seconds so my wounds go away.... Exploration? huh?

Well, of course. You can't just run around and shoot everything without being punished. The game would be too easy

@Niddy: Combat does not suck. If you're good enough, you don't have to play the way 90% of shooters make you do so. Command your squad to cover, where they can give you covering fire, and go ahead and charge. See if you've got what it takes in terms of timing of power usage, reflexes, spatial awareness, and 'running' abilities.

@OP: Could they have ripped the combat out of ME2 ? No. Not in my book.
I liked how in ME1 we recruited the team along the way as part of the unfolding mystery. They all had something that brought them there. That felt like storytelling that flowed seamlessly. Then there was Virmire. Enough said.

ME2 only had to scale up the recruiting phase, whereby an easy source of disparate mini-stories. Still totally love it though.

[Zepheera]

I don't entirely agree that combat could have been ripped from the game and it still hold my attention. The combat is PART of the story, it's a vector that carries Shepard from one part of the exposition to the next.



However, I would say that the combat could have been much better if it hadn't been made so much easier to anticipate. Waist-high walls just screamed "COMBAT SEQUENCE INITIATED!" In that respect, even though it was clunkier, I liked ME's combat better than ME 2. More often than not, you had to find what cover was available in the landscape or move constantly to avoid enemy fire.



My only other really major complaint about ME2 was the "mission system" In ME 1 you went from planet to planet seamlessly. Missions that were completed went from the active mission list to the completed mission list. I don't like the Mission Complete screen that pops up in ME 2 every time you complete a mission. For me, it makes the game feel like it's just a series of mini-missions instead of one large story and it tends to break my immersion in the game's universe.

[Nozybidaj]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

I came here because I enjoy Mass Effect, and wanted to talk about the story with people who enjoyed it as much as me. I didn't come here trying to convince nitpicking fans, why ME2 is a great game. Now that I find myself doing it, I'm not too sure I want to be with this community for that much longer.

Why do you feel the need to try and convince anyone of anything?

No matter what side of an issue you are on in this forum (and others like it) you are not going to convince anyone of anything. Find a thread discussing those things you want to discuss and participate in it, avoid the ones discussing things you don't want to participate in.

HAH and this coming from you? Hilarious.

/shrug I've never made a single post on the forum trying to convince anyone of anything.  All anyone has here are opinions.  I don't see what is so funny about that.

[Nozybidaj]

Pacifien wrote...

It always comes across to me that the disappointment with ME2 is more a disappointment that it failed to meet your expectations.

Yes, prior to playing ME2 my expectations were that it would be the second chapter of a trilogy of an ongoing story.  My disappointment is indeed that it failed to meet my expectations.  You are correct.

[Nozybidaj]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
You have no intention of getting ME1? Why? I don't understand why you would not want to play the first game in a trilogy, let alone the first game in a series that actually lets you carry over your character and decisions.

Well a game this good is most definitely enhanced considerably if you've played ME1, but that is dependant on whether or not you actually pay attention to the story in Mass Effect 2, and not just the combat.

I'd disagree with that entirely.  I think my enjoyment of ME2 would have been greatly increased if I had never played ME1.  If you started with ME2 there really isn't much point in playing ME1 at this point in time since the two really have next to nothing to do with each other.  That may or may not change with ME3 depending on which story line (1 or 2) they decide to pick up and run with.

Now just for the sake of playing a well designed game with a great story?  Sure go and pick up ME1, but not for the specific reasons Gibb cited.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
You have no intention of getting ME1? Why? I don't understand why you would not want to play the first game in a trilogy, let alone the first game in a series that actually lets you carry over your character and decisions.

Well a game this good is most definitely enhanced considerably if you've played ME1, but that is dependant on whether or not you actually pay attention to the story in Mass Effect 2, and not just the combat.

I'd disagree with that entirely.  I think my enjoyment of ME2 would have been greatly increased if I had never played ME1.  If you started with ME2 there really isn't much point in playing ME1 at this point in time since the two really have next to nothing to do with each other.  That may or may not change with ME3 depending on which story line (1 or 2) they decide to pick up and run with.

Now just for the sake of playing a well designed game with a great story?  Sure go and pick up ME1, but not for the specific reasons Gibb cited.

O_O

I really fail to see how ME1 decreased your enjoyment of ME2, i can't think of any reason at all, as you already stated that ME1 is well designed with a great story. Please, elaborate.

[Nozybidaj]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
O_O

I really fail to see how ME1 decreased your enjoyment of ME2, i can't think of any reason at all, as you already stated that ME1 is well designed with a great story. Please, elaborate.

I suppose you would kinda have to combine all those posts into one to get the full explanation, my bad.

After playing ME1 my expectations were greater than what ME2 was able to live up to.  If I had never played ME1 and had no expectations of any kind of continuation of themes or story lines and no desires to see specific progressions and evolutions of certain characters I would have been able to simply enjoy ME2 for the simplistic story telling shooter that it is. :happy:  

That's not to say I would have thought it was some great feat of storytelling if that had been the case.  Even considering ME2 just in and of itself it isn't all that great, but I wouldn't have felt any sort of disappointment over it.  I would have simply shrugged my shoulders and moved on without thinking twice about it.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 03 décembre 2010 - 02:19 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...
O_O

I really fail to see how ME1 decreased your enjoyment of ME2, i can't think of any reason at all, as you already stated that ME1 is well designed with a great story. Please, elaborate.

I suppose you would kinda have to combine all those posts into one to get the full explanation, my bad.

After playing ME1 my expectations were greater than what ME2 was able to live up to.  If I had never played ME1 and had no expectations of any kind of continuation of themes or story lines and no desires to see specific progressions and evolutions of certain characters I would have been able to simply enjoy ME2 for the simplistic story telling shooter that it is. :happy:  

That's not to say I would have thought it was some great feat of storytelling if that had been the case.  Even considering ME2 just in and of itself it isn't all that great, but I wouldn't have felt any sort of disappointment over it.  I would have simply shrugged my shoulders and moved on without thinking twice about it.

OKay, you felt ME2 was too standalone from ME1, i can understand your perspective.

[Nozybidaj]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...


OKay, you felt ME2 was too standalone from ME1, i can understand your perspective.

Yes, that is actually a very good way to put it.  I tend to use too many words.

[Nozybidaj]

Pacifien wrote...
Forums are a form of feedback...

Sales are a form of feedback...

People send emails ...

Conventions are a prime venue for feedback ...

And yes, reviews ...

Wherever people discuss the games...

Conventions are certainly one I hadn't considered, that is a good point.  That said looking over that list its hard to see any form of significant and valid feedback gathering if not the forums.  Right out of the "forum moderator handbook" we all know that forums represent an insignificant population of opinions to gain feedback from (yes, I know it is just a line used to calm the masses when things aren't going the right way, but indulge me).

I could see using sales as a measure of 'success' certainly but I'd personally be rather wary of using it as feedback.  Did ME2 sell well because it was a great game or because ME1 was a great game?  Did ME1 sell well because it was a great game or a because it was a BW game?  Does McDonald's sell an absolutely absurd amount of cheeseburgers each day because they are great food or because they are cheap and convienent even if they do taste like cardboard?

Reviewers are really just an even more statistically insignificant form of feedback than the forums.

I suppose I don't really have a point I am trying to make here, I just find it rather silly any time you see forum moderators (and just not here but anywhere) discounting feedback and trying to tell folks their opinions are so insignificant in the grand scheme of things when it really can be seen as one of the most condensed and valid forms of feedback that are actually available.