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[Sarah1281]

Axekix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Kind of like the suggestions that Alistair and Morrigan are secretly attracted to each other. 

Ali/Morrigan is an abomination that should not be discussed.

I look at Ali/Leli this way:  In the absence of a romance with the warden, it would be nice if those two could find happiness together.  And you know neither one would likely wind up hurting the other. 

That depends. Unhardened Leliana won't become a mistress and unhardened Alistair won't accept a mistress. There's no way a non-noble Orlesian would be allowed to become Alistair's queen so if he were to be king like in the DLC then they will, in fact, end up hurting each other as I can't seem them hardening each other.

[ejoslin]

Leli/Zev, not really, not at that point, because they want completely different things (Lel wants love, Zev... does not). I actually see Zev/Morri before Zev/Lel because I can see them enjoying sex together, pragmatists that they are (and both Morri and Zev admit the other's attractive -- Zev is the only one Morri will admit that about).

Edit: YES my flame proof suit is on!

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 décembre 2010 - 12:04 .

[Addai]

The only thing that got me about the DSC mention was that in a stupid, mindless DSC with no story, someone thought it would be funny to stick that in. Probably to induce nerdrage on the forums, which I indulged in for a few days. I got better.

[Axekix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Kind of like the suggestions that Alistair and Morrigan are secretly attracted to each other. 

Ali/Morrigan is an abomination that should not be discussed.

I look at Ali/Leli this way:  In the absence of a romance with the warden, it would be nice if those two could find happiness together.  And you know neither one would likely wind up hurting the other. 

That depends. Unhardened Leliana won't become a mistress and unhardened Alistair won't accept a mistress. There's no way a non-noble Orlesian would be allowed to become Alistair's queen so if he were to be king like in the DLC then they will, in fact, end up hurting each other as I can't seem them hardening each other.

Hmm, possibly.  Outside of game mechanics (which all boils down to 1 dialogue option) I could see other ways of them becoming hardened in the warden's absence.   For example, with Duncan gone and no one to really look to for support, I imagine Alistair would have to harden himself just to keep Morrigan in check on his own beyond Lothering.

Although the idea of a Leli/Ali romance isn't solely dependant on the warden being dead imo.  Just not romantically involved with either.  And since the Warden is apparently so influential you could still harden both

[Sarah1281]

The Water God wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Leli/Zev, not really, not at that point, because they want completely different things (Lel wants love, Zev... does not). I actually see Zev/Morri before Zev/Lel because I can see them enjoying sex together, pragmatists that they are (and both Morri and Zev admit the other's attractive -- Zev is the only one Morri will admit that about).

Edit: YES my flame proof suit is on!

I've never really seen alot of people pairing Zev off with Morrigan. Mostly because Zev has the option to bang Leliana and not Morrigan, while Morrigan has the ability to bang Alistair and not Leli.

Thats where the Zev/Leli, Ali/Morri paring comes from.

Edit: And also they're both bisexuals who have orgies so at least thats one thing they have in common.

I don't see how that proves anything. Morrigan is not bisexual and doesn't approve of Isabela so of course she'd never do that and she needs Alistair as he is a Warden. Zevran just wants to have fun with Isabela and others and Leliana is willing to have a threesome/foursome with the man/woman she loves.

But this is absolutely the funniest Alistair/Morrigan pairing I've ever come across.

[ejoslin]

Zevran is the only companion that Morrigan finds attractive. As i said, Leliana and Zevran are both looking for different things in a relationship (and i don't think Zevran would fall in love with Leliana, which is what Leliana requires -- or the person she loves wanting to experiment with her).

I do know where the pairings come from. That doesn't mean I have to agree with them The "banging" between Alistair and Morrigan was under a very special circumstance, and was not out of lust or anything like that. The Leliana/Zevran "banging" is at the request of the warden and Isabela, not something they sought out.

Edit: Oh, I forgot about sten.  Morrigan does find Sten attractive as well.  As far as LIs go, though, Zevran is the only one that Morrigan gets.

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 décembre 2010 - 12:25 .

[Face of Evil]

I myself have deliberated on this topic. I seriously debated if my CE character wasn't being a selfish bastard who was keeping Leliana from finding a nice girl that would match her preferences. I silenced my doubts by reminding myself that she wouldn't be sleeping with the Warden if she didn't like him.

Sarah1281 wrote...

But this is absolutely the funniest Alistair/Morrigan pairing I've ever come across.

I laughed at the "mind blowing hate sex" expression.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 03 décembre 2010 - 12:35 .

[Zjarcal]

Morri/Sten...



If Sten was actually willing to pair with a human... yeah, I could see it. But then again there's also the mage factor..

[ejoslin]

I see no pairings, tbh. What brings the party together is the warden really, who is, well, extraordinary. I certainly do not see either Ali/Morri nor Leli/Zev as actual couples. I don't see Ali/Morri having sex for any other reason but sheer necessity.

Try this. Romance Morrigan or Alistair, cut off the romances with Leli and Zev from the get go. They don't get together, and in fact, it never comes up with Isabela as, well, in order for it to be a foursome, you need to add magical warden juice (no pun intended).

*grin* Yeh, Ali/Lel are the ones who are closest in values when it comes to a sexual relationship. Leliana's time of torture changed her completely. She may be willing to actually do a foursome if the one she loves desires such, and of course, you have a dialog in camp where she sounds intrigued by a threesome of the warden/zevran, but that never actually happens. And besides, she needs magical warden juice to become hardened anyway!

Leliana needs to be in love before she wants to have a sexual relationship. She can flirt and care and even adore someone, but when it comes down to it, when it's a 1 on 1 relationship, she has to be in love.

Edit: just because two people are bisexual rogues doesn't mean they HAVE to get together.  I seriously doubt leliana would trust Zevran enough for her to fall in love with him, and I seriously doubt that Leliana challenges Zevran enough that he would fall in love with her.  which means, of course, that the coupling would most likely never happen.

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 décembre 2010 - 12:57 .

[Sarah1281]

Templars apparently don't have vows of chastity despite the strong implication that they do in Origins and Leliana DID talk about forbidden fruit being the sweetest.

[Zjarcal]

ejoslin wrote...

Try this. Romance Morrigan or Alistair, cut off the romances with Leli and Zev from the get go. They don't get together, and in fact, it never comes up with Isabela as, well, in order for it to be a foursome, you need to add magical warden juice (no pun intended).

Yeah...  that doesn't happen because the game won't allow any romances between companions.

But I do agree with you that none of the pairings would really work. None of their personalities really blend in as well as the blank slate of a warden who does the things that would please the potential lover.

And why bring up the rogue factor?

[ejoslin]

Zjarcal wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Try this. Romance Morrigan or Alistair, cut off the romances with Leli and Zev from the get go. They don't get together, and in fact, it never comes up with Isabela as, well, in order for it to be a foursome, you need to add magical warden juice (no pun intended).

Yeah...  that doesn't happen because the game won't allow any romances between companions.

But I do agree with you that none of the pairings would really work. None of their personalities really blend in as well as the blank slate of a warden who does the things that would please the potential lover.

And why bring up the rogue factor?

Oh, because usually that's the reason I see for people saying that Leliana and Zevran would totally work as a couple.  Which is just silly.

[Johnny Chaos]

The Water God wrote...

Also I think she would find men pretty repulsive if she really slept with them purely for the sake of getting info. Ands lets not forget her possible rape in prison might also make her perfer women rather than a man who would try to take advantage of her. 

who said she was raped?  she says they did terrible things to her, and torture isn't always rape.  you make it sound like she is biased toward men when she is not, she is a people's person, she likes striking up conversations with people that she doesnt even necessarily like.  she holds Alistair and Zevran in high regard, and hardened Lel will even go along with Zev.

[Sarah1281]

Johnny Chaos wrote...

The Water God wrote...

Also I think she would find men pretty repulsive if she really slept with them purely for the sake of getting info. Ands lets not forget her possible rape in prison might also make her perfer women rather than a man who would try to take advantage of her. 

who said she was raped?  she says they did terrible things to her, and torture isn't always rape.  you make it sound like she is biased toward men when she is not, she is a people's person, she likes striking up conversations with people that she doesnt even necessarily like.  she holds Alistair and Zevran in high regard, and hardened Lel will even go along with Zev.

It's always a risk with female (and sometimes male) prisoners. Plus, Leliana's Song also strongly hints at this when we meet up with Leliana again and she's physically not really damaged after having been tortured not to mention some of the dialouge like when the guy who had been holding her captive taunts her by saying that if she wanted more of his men, she should have said so.

[Johnny Chaos]

The Water God wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Templars apparently don't have vows of chastity despite the strong implication that they do in Origins and Leliana DID talk about forbidden fruit being the sweetest.

she never refers to the templars in her dialouge about the many lovely women of the chantry thus she didn't think much of them.

your talking to Lel how the sisters are not as beautiful as her, why would she want to bring up Templars.  it's not like she messed around with people in the Chantry but she did look.

[Johnny Chaos]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Johnny Chaos wrote...

The Water God wrote...

Also I think she would find men pretty repulsive if she really slept with them purely for the sake of getting info. Ands lets not forget her possible rape in prison might also make her perfer women rather than a man who would try to take advantage of her. 

who said she was raped?  she says they did terrible things to her, and torture isn't always rape.  you make it sound like she is biased toward men when she is not, she is a people's person, she likes striking up conversations with people that she doesnt even necessarily like.  she holds Alistair and Zevran in high regard, and hardened Lel will even go along with Zev.

It's always a risk with female (and sometimes male) prisoners. Plus, Leliana's Song also strongly hints at this when we meet up with Leliana again and she's physically not really damaged after having been tortured not to mention some of the dialouge like when the guy who had been holding her captive taunts her by saying that if she wanted more of his men, she should have said so.

she doesn't blame men for being raped, i think she blames Marjolaine more for handing her over.  Pus Leliana was very understanding of Sila's situation.  i dont think Leliana being raped is why she prefers women, as she is very talkative to both genders.

[ejoslin]

The Water God wrote...


You just said that Zevran is the only companion that Morrigan finds attractive. When I played orgins she found Sten pretty attractive too.  Zevran and Morrigan are pretty silly couple as well.

Here's my full post on this (the edit was put in immediately afterwards -- certainly a few hours before you wrote this response).  I'll bold it for you.

ejoslin wrote...

Zevran is the only companion that Morrigan finds attractive. As i said, Leliana and Zevran are both looking for different things in a relationship (and i don't think Zevran would fall in love with Leliana, which is what Leliana requires -- or the person she loves wanting to experiment with her).

I do know where the pairings come from. That doesn't mean I have to agree with them The "banging" between Alistair and Morrigan was under a very special circumstance, and was not out of lust or anything like that. The Leliana/Zevran "banging" is at the request of the warden and Isabela, not something they sought out.

Edit: Oh, I forgot about sten.  Morrigan does find Sten attractive as well.  As far as LIs go, though, Zevran is the only one that Morrigan gets.

And I've stated afterwards taht i don't see ANY of the companions pairing.

And yes, I do not see Zevran and Leliana pairing.  At all.  I don't think they would fall in love, and Leliana requires that.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 décembre 2010 - 03:02 .