she's bi, she thinks all the males in the group are attractive, your using that bored noblewomen comment to prove her sexuality when she wont even say if she is not hardened and she wouldn't cheat on Marjolaine, so any contact with males during her time with Marj was business.
This thread makes me think all rape victims are bisexuals or lesbians *sigh*. It would be ooc for Leliana to hold a grudge. Plus she shows no hestation with males
Is Leliana really attracted to guys?
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Johnny Chaos wrote...
she's bi, she thinks all the males in the group are attractive, your using that bored noblewomen comment to prove her sexuality when she wont even say if she is not hardened and she wouldn't cheat on Marjolaine, so any contact with males during her time with Marj was business.
This thread makes me think all rape victims are bisexuals or lesbians *sigh*. It would be ooc for Leliana to hold a grudge. Plus she shows no hestation with males
ummm yeah she does find guys attractive. I just said she thinks commander Raleigh is a beast
in LS.Edit: For raping I just suggested that getting raped could effect how she feels about sex with men. And all rape victums are bis and lesbians?
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It's not a problem for me. Just immersion breaking. I play my gender in RPGs so when she starts talking about eyelashes and butterflies and I'm thinking I'm a stoic badass It's a head scratcher. Hell, I scratch my head IRL when my wife calls me cute ya know. I gots no prob with GLBT folk, conflicts with my religion, but hey what you eat don't make me s**t. So yeah Leliana gets the vulnerable little sister treatment (especially from my rogue) in my playthrus.
Thats what always gets me to. The eyelashes comment seems more like it war reserved for females.
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Johnny Chaos wrote...
she's bi, she thinks all the males in the group are attractive, your using that bored noblewomen comment to prove her sexuality when she wont even say if she is not hardened and she wouldn't cheat on Marjolaine, so any contact with males during her time with Marj was business.
This thread makes me think all rape victims are bisexuals or lesbians *sigh*. It would be ooc for Leliana to hold a grudge. Plus she shows no hestation with males
Ok I just played through LS (Just started a new PS3 account and have to collect the achievements again
) I wanted to see if really is any evidence if she was rape and kinda see I was wrong. There really isn't alot info in the game to indicate a raping so ignore what I said earlier.
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Posté 04 décembre 2010 - 09:51
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Hey anyone noticed? In LS she says "This commander Raleigh sounds like a beast" when she opens up his personal journal. I guess she does find strong men attractive.
No, you misunderstood her comment.
She wasn't admiring him as a strong man. She called him a beast out of disgust because of all the attrocities he claims to have commited against prisoners in that journal.
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Posté 04 décembre 2010 - 10:01
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her tone didnt sound disgusted
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Yes I just played LS and she said it rather lustfully.
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I think i've come to the conclusion that she is somewhat attracted to guys but is more comfortable with women IMO.
She seems to be willing to sex with a man but she shows more closeness to women and also seems to pursue a more loving realtionship with them. As Shiori said earlier the men she was with were just targets and she was commited to Marjolaine.
Can we all agree on that?
She seems to be willing to sex with a man but she shows more closeness to women and also seems to pursue a more loving realtionship with them. As Shiori said earlier the men she was with were just targets and she was commited to Marjolaine.
Can we all agree on that?
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Posté 05 décembre 2010 - 02:10
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The Water God wrote...
I think i've come to the conclusion that she is somewhat attracted to guys but is more comfortable with women IMO.
She seems to be willing to sex with a man but she shows more closeness to women and also seems to pursue a more loving realtionship with them. As Shiori said earlier the men she was with were just targets and she was commited to Marjolaine.
Can we all agree on that?
Not really.
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Yea the Commander Ralegh thing isn't meant to mean a lustful longing for said person. It's meant to to indicate the guy is sick in the head (which he is). I also never noticed any indication of rape, but I guess people can interept anything they want. Like when you ask Anora if she needs anything and she "I...no, and while your offer is hardly disinterested I am fine." I know some people jumped to the conclusion that she paused because she wanted to sleep with Warden, where as I just thought she was shocked you actually care enough to ask. How did people come to that conclusion is anyones guess but people can see whatever they want from certin characters.
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Posté 06 décembre 2010 - 12:18
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How did people come to that conclusion is anyones guess.
Because like Zevran, many people get the impression that everything involves sex.
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Posté 06 décembre 2010 - 12:19
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The Water God wrote...
I think i've come to the conclusion that she is somewhat attracted to guys but is more comfortable with women IMO.
She seems to be willing to sex with a man but she shows more closeness to women and also seems to pursue a more loving realtionship with them. As Shiori said earlier the men she was with were just targets and she was commited to Marjolaine.
Can we all agree on that?
I think she prefers women, but I don't see how one relationship is defining of your whole sexuality.
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Posté 06 décembre 2010 - 12:26
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
kylecouch wrote...
How did people come to that conclusion is anyones guess.
Because like Zevran, many people get the impression that everything involves sex.
Maybe so...kinda sad if that's the case isn't it? like your Xanato's avatar btw....Gargoyles is bad ass.
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personally, I'm just glad Leliana exists at all to romance in the game.
with a female Warden of course
with a female Warden of course
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Posté 06 décembre 2010 - 07:07
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Like when you ask Anora if she needs anything and she "I...no, and while your offer is hardly disinterested I am fine." I know some people jumped to the conclusion that she paused because she wanted to sleep with Warden, .
I've interpretted two likely meanings from the Anora quote.
1) She suprsied by the comment much like she suprised by the one you can make earlier when you are talking to Eamon when she tells you "she prayed for your escape from Fort Drakon", and you tell her "You are happy to see her and that she is safe etc". She expects that you are going to be mad at her because she has manipulated you, possibly double crossed you etc. And she is relieved and happy that you don't take it personally, are helpful and kind.
2) It sounds a bit like a vieled sexual come onn retrospec (when I see her get startled by it). When I say it though its more of the polite thing that people normally say in business conversation. And I say it because she is essentially "under protective custody" and might have trouble getting things doing erands etc.
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3) I also think she might be worried that the PC by this time is "too helpful" given that she already has asked a lot of you, and that the comment means "your up to something".
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Posté 06 décembre 2010 - 07:55
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You know Anora would sleep with you if it came to keeping the throne, i always thought she was thinking about that.
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Posté 06 décembre 2010 - 08:58
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You know Anora would sleep with you if it came to keeping the throne, i always thought she was thinking about that.
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If the game allowed for that... she would defintely seriously think about it. I don't know if she would go through it because she also is extremely image concious. see psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Approach-avoidance_conflict
If she did go through it, she would most likely hold a grudge for being blackmailed that way. And having a monarch hold a grudge is not something you want happen to you.
If the PC is interested in bedding her, it is better to marry her you can do so (are playing a male noble) because that allows her to keep her dignity.
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Of course your probably looking for "revenge sex" for the Howe estate double cross... Which I guess works if you are looking to put Alistair on the throne and never have him do the US. Personally I would worry about Alistair getting pneumonia or some other sickness and having her come back into power spending all that time stewing over you.
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Yea the Commander Ralegh thing isn't meant to mean a lustful longing for said person. It's meant to to indicate the guy is sick in the head (which he is). I also never noticed any indication of rape, but I guess people can interept anything they want. Like when you ask Anora if she needs anything and she "I...no, and while your offer is hardly disinterested I am fine." I know some people jumped to the conclusion that she paused because she wanted to sleep with Warden, where as I just thought she was shocked you actually care enough to ask. How did people come to that conclusion is anyones guess but people can see whatever they want from certin characters.
The rape comment came from Ralegh's comment "If you wanted more men you could've just asked!"
At first when you read this comment it looks like something he would say to taunt Leliana right before she killed him. But no he says in anger when running away from her, calling her an Orleasian harlet.
It could mean a number of things but not rape really. Also I would usually think someone who had just been gang raped by bunch of guards would've made a little more note of it (They had only been in there for one week!) Unless Leliana is somehow supressing her memories of being raped, I would think it would be a lot more obivious.
Plus she had a fresh wound that was bleeding all over the place. Who would want to rape someone while they were bleeding that would be gross!!!!
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Posté 08 décembre 2010 - 07:15
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Plus she had a fresh wound that was bleeding all over the place. Who would want to rape someone while they were bleeding that would be gross!!!!
Rape is pretty gross generally, imho, even when the subject isn't bleeding all over the place. Not sure rapists have anything approaching normal standards for what is gross or not.
The reason I thought Leliana was raped in prison when she was betrayed by Marjolaine is from when she talks about it to the Warden in camp in Origins. When she talked about "they... hurt me" (faulty memory possible, can't look it up right now) the first thing which I thought of was that they'd raped her.
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If Leli was raped, she probably doesn't want to talk about it. Hence the comment that they did terrible things to her to make her talk. I tend to think that they tried to break her in every way a person can be broken. 
And to the original question of this thread, I also got the impression that Leli is more attracted to women than to men. It matters little in the end though as she is utterly devoted to the Warden if they are in a relationship regardless of gender.
And to the original question of this thread, I also got the impression that Leli is more attracted to women than to men. It matters little in the end though as she is utterly devoted to the Warden if they are in a relationship regardless of gender.
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If you'll notice, Leliana's Song is not a factual depiction of what happened. It is just Leliana telling someone (the Warden?) the story. She skips right over her week in captivity. If her being raped is impossible because she didn't say 'I was raped' then you might as well decide she wasn't tortured either since she doesn't spell that out and just sat around for a week before she was given the means to escape.
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Sarah1281 wrote...
If you'll notice, Leliana's Song is not a factual depiction of what happened. It is just Leliana telling someone (the Warden?) the story. She skips right over her week in captivity. If her being raped is impossible because she didn't say 'I was raped' then you might as well decide she wasn't tortured either since she doesn't spell that out and just sat around for a week before she was given the means to escape.
Pretty funny there, Ms. 1281.
Also, it wouldn't have been great in terms of dramatic impact if they had spelled it out because it would have overshadowed Marjolaine's betrayal which it is clear hurt Leliana more badly than any rape or torture during her imprisonment. The unexpected betrayal is what she focuses on, rather than the torture which Leliana, as a bard, would have been trained to endure. Not trying to trivialize rape in any way, but saying that Marjolaine's betrayal and more than that- finding out what Marjolaine was really like- was probably far more traumatic for Leliana.
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Sarah1281 wrote...
If you'll notice, Leliana's Song is not a factual depiction of what happened. It is just Leliana telling someone (the Warden?) the story. She skips right over her week in captivity. If her being raped is impossible because she didn't say 'I was raped' then you might as well decide she wasn't tortured either since she doesn't spell that out and just sat around for a week before she was given the means to escape.
And how is it not a factual depiction? Its most likely Biowares attempt to re-do the story so that if fits in with a Fereldan setting. And why would she make up stuff if she was telling a personal story to someone she was close to (like the warden) Bioware wrote the DLC as it was intended to be seen, thus making it more accurate than the story Leliana tells the warden at camp. And who knows maybe the one at camp is different because Leliana was already nervous about telling the warden the story (Because of how they might judge her) thus causing her to leave out a few details.
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And how is it not a factual depiction? Its most likely Biowares attempt to re-do the story so that if fits in with a Fereldan setting. And why would she make up stuff if she was telling a personal story to someone she was close to (like the warden
The first-person "storytime" framing device itself suggests that the narrator is unreliable. Moreover, Leliana says herself that she is an unreliable narrator outright. If I remember correctly, she tells you at the start and reminds you at the end that the story changes in the telling of it.
Even the codex entries reflect this. They are prefaced with "I remember..." and are very much from Leliana's perspective rather than an objective encyclopedia entry.
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Posté 10 décembre 2010 - 04:06
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Because Leliana is a bard telling a bard story and warns you that the details change in the telling and that she hasn't decided on an ending yet. And she doesn't mention anything at all of what happens when she was a prisoner.
