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[Arijharn]

I don't think renegade's would have a massive difference of upon from paragons in the event that they fail to stop the Reapers zombie.

[008Zulu]

Probably wont, a leader has to stay strong in front of their troops, morale and what not. A smart leader chooses their moments when they are all alone to let the emotion out.

[MaaZeus]

008Zulu wrote...

Probably wont, a leader has to stay strong in front of their troops, morale and what not. A smart leader chooses their moments when they are all alone to let the emotion out.

Yes. Good moments would be when Shepard is with his/her LI, (NOT SEX SCENES, just talk would be welcome too) those situations are very personal afterall and squad morale has nothing to do with them, its just him and someone he/she trusts and loves. Perfect moments for Shepard to develop as a character outside of his strong charismatic leader what he shows outside.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 04 décembre 2010 - 11:31 .

[dgcatanisiri]

I'd be game for getting those quiet moments with the LI. Maybe have an after-mission sequence with your LI similar to the briefings of ME1 after the plot worlds where the two of you discuss things with them, which would give you an opportunity to also express doubts and fears in a private setting.

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

i agree i would definitely like to see scenes where crew or squad mates ask Shep if he did the right thing and then you the player have choices like:



I did what i had to



don't question my authority



did i say you could speak freely?



it doesn't matter what you think.



i did it to save them



you cant possibly understand my motivations for doing that.

[AdamNW]

ReconTeam wrote...
I hope to God you aren't suggesting ME3 having any aspect of those damned JRPGs at all.

JRPG characters actually have growth, though.

[Undertone]

This.

Absolutely amazing work by the artist. A scene like that would definitely give greater depth into the LI relationship with Shepard beyond just having sex with them.

This one is about Shepard (with sole survivor background) having a nightmare about the thesher maw and confusing the reflection of the monitor in front of him as the thresher maw's "mouth" as he wakes up confused from the nightmare. Jack comforts a restless Shepard.

Modifié par Undertone, 07 décembre 2010 - 09:08 .

[Hathur]

Have to sort of agree with OP... the closest I've really seen in game was this scene www.youtube.com/user/Hathur99 (jump to 4:50 and watch to 5:55 )

Still, even that though is pretty tame or mild... it would be nice to see Shep have some emotional struggles in ME3 that so many of his crew members go through.... not become a drama queen/king but just show that decisions can take their toll on her/him and draw more genuine reactions out.

[Hathur]

008Zulu wrote...

Probably wont, a leader has to stay strong in front of their troops, morale and what not. A smart leader chooses their moments when they are all alone to let the emotion out.

True and a valid point.

ME2 had 1 scene where shep showed a glimpse of emotion when she was alone... if you stay loyal to Kaiden, just before the suicide mission she goes to her quarters and stares at a picture of him... for a brief moment you can see her struggle with her thoughts about Kaiden, before collecting herself and storming out of her quarters, ready to bring the fight to the collectors.

A few more moments like that would go a long way in Me3 to further humanize Shepard... I don't want her / him to becoming a simpering emotional basketcase... but quiet moments of reflection / struggle can add a lot to the character.

[MaaZeus]

Undertone wrote...



This.

Absolutely amazing work by the artist. A scene like that would definitely give greater depth into the LI relationship with Shepard beyond just having sex with them.

This one is about Shepard (with sole survivor background) having a nightmare about the thesher maw and confusing the reflection of the monitor in front of him as the thresher maw's "mouth" as he wakes up confused from the nightmare. Jack comforts a restless Shepard.

Cool picture. Though that is dangerously close to Shepard becoming emo throwing a hissy fits and shooting stuff then crying like a baby, but concept is great. These moments are the ones that are perfect for Shepard to grow as a character.

Also above mentioned debriefings. Someone in the squad might question Shepards choice and he can give answer what suits the players feelings.

[Cypher0020]

Undertone wrote...



This.

Absolutely amazing work by the artist. A scene like that would definitely give greater depth into the LI relationship with Shepard beyond just having sex with them.

This one is about Shepard (with sole survivor background) having a nightmare about the thesher maw and confusing the reflection of the monitor in front of him as the thresher maw's "mouth" as he wakes up confused from the nightmare. Jack comforts a restless Shepard.

^ This right there! I tip my hat to that amazing artwork/artist! and I totally agree some non sexual private moments like in between missions or something is sorely needed. 

I play a SS Shepard w/ Kaidan too, but regardless of that, after ALL the events of ME1 and ME2 put together background/profile Shepard has got to have a lot of nightmares.... and what He/She needs most of all is a shoulder to prop him/her up.....


Shepard needs to feel human... be believable.... a human, even a damn good one has to break, feel insecure sometime

[Jagri]

Dang it people Shepard is a Cyborg not Cryborg!



But I wouldn't object to any private moments where he/she needs to be given comfort and or needs help to deal with the past.

[Moiaussi]

Shepard is one of the few calling the mission a 'suicide mission.' I'd call that a failure of mental strength.



The fact that he rants "OMG, REAVERS!" whenever given the chance is in there too.



He doesn't breakdown and cry over either, but that doesn't make him mentally strong.. arguably it just makes him unhinged. The fact shep's approach to the VS is essentially 'long time no see' rather than 'We have a lot to catch up on, can we find somewhere to talk privately?' shows a lack of empathy.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Undertone wrote...



This.

Absolutely amazing work by the artist. A scene like that would definitely give greater depth into the LI relationship with Shepard beyond just having sex with them.

This one is about Shepard (with sole survivor background) having a nightmare about the thesher maw and confusing the reflection of the monitor in front of him as the thresher maw's "mouth" as he wakes up confused from the nightmare. Jack comforts a restless Shepard.

This is just beautiful. I want to see this in ME3.

[MaaZeus]

Gnas wrote...

On the very first day of admission into the military service, soldiers are taught control of their emotions. They are taught to give up pain and other disruptions and are molded with one aim: complete the mission. They are ordered to move into harm's way, though they may not want to, to stand and fight when their instinct is to run. Soldier are taught stoicism. It's their guiding role in the military. Stoicism helps provide the enduring capacity to men and women of the military to undertake difficult tasks that are unthinkable for the average person.

The downside to this emotional control is the impact it can have on morality. Stoicism, emotional control can numb soldiers to atrocities. It can promote torture, outrage, hatred, and sadism when when in war.
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If I understood correctly it can also cause all the **** he goes through in wars to build-up inside, and with no way to go out it can result into PTSD after conflicts have ended. Stoism is a double-edged sword.

[General User]

If he's carrying a gun to bed, I say he's already exhibiting...

Modifié par General User, 07 décembre 2010 - 07:58 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Gnas wrote...

Wait, you want see Shepard exhibiting Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in ME3? I can't say that's on my wish list. O_o

To put it simply, I want to see Shepard the Human, not just Shepard the Hero.

Better way of saying it.

[MaaZeus]

Gnas wrote...

Wait, you want see Shepard exhibiting Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in ME3? I can't say that's on my wish list. O_o

NO! Just added to the post. Actually whatever we have talked in this thread is pretty much things that might PREVENT mental breakdowns! Having talks about things deep down inside you are there to let the crap out instead of letting it build up. And in the process we develop the character.


Just, no Dr. Phil talks thank you very much. AND NO EMO HISSY FITS!!!!

Modifié par MaaZeus, 07 décembre 2010 - 08:00 .

[MaaZeus]

Gnas wrote...

The picture is showing a man already suffering some kind of anxiety related disorder. I couldnt say it is PTSD but the symptoms are expressed nonetheless.

You have to realize, what is traumatic to someone isn't necessarily traumatic to another. It all comes down to an individuals belief system and how they "process" the event.

Shepard in bed with a gun, well, thats not good.

That was pretty much my criticism too. Its way too close to emo breakdown. If someones mental health is in so bad shape that he gets violent tantrums and start shooting things before falling down whimpering and crying, Shepards leader-face is not going to last for long either...


And you are correct. All this crap might not be a thing that gets into Shepard on mental level, but character developement is still desperately needed. And deep talks with your LI gives golden opportunities for it.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 07 décembre 2010 - 08:08 .

[MaaZeus]

Gnas wrote...

Coming from a psychological perspective, I wouldn't label it as emo. I would label it as a nightmare that resulted in a flashback upon waking. The image depicts Shepard with a gun in bed illustrates that Shepard was hyper vigilant. Obviously he didn't feel safe and had to be armed. Very common in soldiers who were in combat and are exhibiting symptoms related to their combat experience.

Having PTSD in a combat arena isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you are hyper vigilant, it's like you have "spidey senses." It can actually be helpful.

Huh, I understood the picture bit wrong then. I took it from perspective that they were going through these things with Jack, it all caused him to have a sudden anger buildup which he released by destroying things, in this case firing his gun.

But your description is definetly more accurate. Those above images do represent more like a dream than just effed up stuff Shepard experienced through ME1 etc...