Me personally? With the Reapers poised and ready to tear the galaxy a new one and the scale of destruction that Shepard will realize because of it, I'm sure it will be safe to say that he will start to REALLY feel the pressure. We got a small glimpse of that in Lair of the Shadow Broker.
Will we ever see a test of mental strength from Shepard?
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#77
Posté 07 décembre 2010 - 08:26
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It is amazing how emo people get over the concept someone else might be emo....
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Posté 07 décembre 2010 - 09:39
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I don't see why Shepard can't have this emotional display. There tends to be three things to someone who joins the military and sees combat (in my experience with others, anyways).
1. They can keep their emotions in check when necessary, but otherwise are usually more outputting than that of an average person. These people are more vulnerable to the atrocitites of war, and either come out stronger, or broken (such as the Spacer sidequest in ME1)
2. They keep those emotions built up, never revealing them. Usually this is brought on by some feeling of personal burden or guilt. These are the majority of PTSD cases, the people who sleep with a gun under their pillow and three other weapons within arms' reach. This also seems to be the largest group that commits suicide.
3. They become a shell of a person. Some would say that they've been broken. They generally do keep some strand of humanity however, and if they're a decent person, they do it doing whatever they can to prevent others from becoming like them. They're the infantrymen that go into every battle and usually do best, but secretly are hoping to perish in it. In some ways they're committing suicide by trying to do as much as they can for others before dying.
I would say the second two would most accurately represent Shepard. We haven't really seen any emotions out of Shepard in the first two games, so its hard to imagine him/her as the first. I'd say the second most-accurately applies to SoleSurvivor, and the third most-accurately applies to Ruthless. You could make the argument that a lot of this mindset could have existed before Shepard even joined the military (living in an earthen slum, the attack on Mindoir, or just the result of a military upbringing).
Thats what little insight I can bring from my personal experience with military vets (some family, friends, a teacher, etc). I would not call it emo <_<, but it definitely adds a lot of deoth if this is expanded upon
1. They can keep their emotions in check when necessary, but otherwise are usually more outputting than that of an average person. These people are more vulnerable to the atrocitites of war, and either come out stronger, or broken (such as the Spacer sidequest in ME1)
2. They keep those emotions built up, never revealing them. Usually this is brought on by some feeling of personal burden or guilt. These are the majority of PTSD cases, the people who sleep with a gun under their pillow and three other weapons within arms' reach. This also seems to be the largest group that commits suicide.
3. They become a shell of a person. Some would say that they've been broken. They generally do keep some strand of humanity however, and if they're a decent person, they do it doing whatever they can to prevent others from becoming like them. They're the infantrymen that go into every battle and usually do best, but secretly are hoping to perish in it. In some ways they're committing suicide by trying to do as much as they can for others before dying.
I would say the second two would most accurately represent Shepard. We haven't really seen any emotions out of Shepard in the first two games, so its hard to imagine him/her as the first. I'd say the second most-accurately applies to SoleSurvivor, and the third most-accurately applies to Ruthless. You could make the argument that a lot of this mindset could have existed before Shepard even joined the military (living in an earthen slum, the attack on Mindoir, or just the result of a military upbringing).
Thats what little insight I can bring from my personal experience with military vets (some family, friends, a teacher, etc). I would not call it emo <_<, but it definitely adds a lot of deoth if this is expanded upon
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#79
Posté 07 décembre 2010 - 10:09
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MaaZeus wrote...
Gnas wrote...
Coming from a psychological perspective, I wouldn't label it as emo. I would label it as a nightmare that resulted in a flashback upon waking. The image depicts Shepard with a gun in bed illustrates that Shepard was hyper vigilant. Obviously he didn't feel safe and had to be armed. Very common in soldiers who were in combat and are exhibiting symptoms related to their combat experience.
Having PTSD in a combat arena isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you are hyper vigilant, it's like you have "spidey senses." It can actually be helpful.
Huh, I understood the picture bit wrong then. I took it from perspective that they were going through these things with Jack, it all caused him to have a sudden anger buildup which he released by destroying things, in this case firing his gun.
But your description is definetly more accurate. Those above images do represent more like a dream than just effed up stuff Shepard experienced through ME1 etc...
Uhm did you not read the description I provided for the image (the author provided)? Obviously you have no idea what is to be in the military. Just because you are a soldier, you had training or what so ever doesn't mean you don't have nightmares, you don't have emotions etc.
My biggest beaf is that everything about Shepard and co. is very one sided. Shepard always initiates everything.
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Posté 07 décembre 2010 - 10:27
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Undertone wrote...
Uhm did you not read the description I provided for the image (the author provided)? Obviously you have no idea what is to be in the military. Just because you are a soldier, you had training or what so ever doesn't mean you don't have nightmares, you don't have emotions etc.
My biggest beaf is that everything about Shepard and co. is very one sided. Shepard always initiates everything.
Soldiers are human, you are correct you in your assertions. Shepared is a leader though. He/She would want to inspire those under his/her command. Emotional lability would not be the way to inspire confidence in his/her team or squad. In private, Shepard could be emotional, or around those around him/her trust but in combat situations, it would be a different situation. The mission would take priority.
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Posté 07 décembre 2010 - 10:30
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Private and shared with LI, I don't think any of us who want Shepard to show doubt want it in front of the entire crew. A personal scene with the LI or something along the lines I provided in the image.
Modifié par Undertone, 07 décembre 2010 - 10:31 .
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Posté 07 décembre 2010 - 10:53
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Now I'm going to resist saying something about how Shepard isn't a wuss to point out a few things. There are several displays of emotion on Shepard's part. In ME1 he is frustrated and saddened after one of his crew was killed on Virmire and the Normandy was locked down. In ME2 there are several moments where he gets frustrated or angry, he is saddened when a crew-member is KIA on the suicide mission, when Garrus gets badly wounded, and you can see he is pleased when he is walking in the new Normandy for the first time, for one example.
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Posté 07 décembre 2010 - 11:04
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i don't shepard like people who try to electrocute him.
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Posté 07 décembre 2010 - 11:11
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You mean you don't like people who try to electrocute Shepard? Last I recall it was Shepard electrocuting mechanics or anybody foolish enough to get in the way of his arc projector.
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Posté 08 décembre 2010 - 02:02
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Undertone wrote...
MaaZeus wrote...
Gnas wrote...
Coming from a psychological perspective, I wouldn't label it as emo. I would label it as a nightmare that resulted in a flashback upon waking. The image depicts Shepard with a gun in bed illustrates that Shepard was hyper vigilant. Obviously he didn't feel safe and had to be armed. Very common in soldiers who were in combat and are exhibiting symptoms related to their combat experience.
Having PTSD in a combat arena isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you are hyper vigilant, it's like you have "spidey senses." It can actually be helpful.
Huh, I understood the picture bit wrong then. I took it from perspective that they were going through these things with Jack, it all caused him to have a sudden anger buildup which he released by destroying things, in this case firing his gun.
But your description is definetly more accurate. Those above images do represent more like a dream than just effed up stuff Shepard experienced through ME1 etc...
Uhm did you not read the description I provided for the image (the author provided)? Obviously you have no idea what is to be in the military. Just because you are a soldier, you had training or what so ever doesn't mean you don't have nightmares, you don't have emotions etc.
My biggest beaf is that everything about Shepard and co. is very one sided. Shepard always initiates everything.
Sorry, I missed the description completely.
I just saw the picture and made different observation on my own. And where did I say soldiers do not have emotions nor nightmares?
Modifié par MaaZeus, 08 décembre 2010 - 02:05 .
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Posté 08 décembre 2010 - 03:59
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Maybe just have one scene where Shepard is able to have some R&R before going after the Reapers. In this scene Shepard can do one or more options. Like go out with LI and get drunk or not, maybe have a nightmare or not where LI comforts him. Maybe stay up during the night just talking about fears, hopes & future or not or just sex or some activity to drive away all feelings.
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Posté 08 décembre 2010 - 04:06
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I think if you're doing an emotional scene you can't go too emotional as it would really conflict with a lot of people's perceptions of their Shepard. I'd be extremely disappointed if I saw Shep break down and cry...I don't see any of my Shepards reacting in such an extreme way.
I thought the frustration you can express to Liara in LotSB, and the locker scene with your LI in ME1, are a good template to follow. They aren't extreme in the emotion they display but they still show Shepard has a human side. I definitely support more moments like that in ME3, provided they are generally in private or with a trusted comrade or lover.
I like this idea a lot. It gives you some options in how your Shepard would react, and really helps define an individual Shepard's personality. As long as Shepards without LIs get as good options as those with an LI, I'd definitely love to see it.
I thought the frustration you can express to Liara in LotSB, and the locker scene with your LI in ME1, are a good template to follow. They aren't extreme in the emotion they display but they still show Shepard has a human side. I definitely support more moments like that in ME3, provided they are generally in private or with a trusted comrade or lover.
Terastar wrote...
Maybe just have one scene where Shepard
is able to have some R&R before going after the Reapers. In this
scene Shepard can do one or more options. Like go out with LI and get
drunk or not, maybe have a nightmare or not where LI comforts him. Maybe
stay up during the night just talking about fears, hopes & future
or not or just sex or some activity to drive away all feelings.
I like this idea a lot. It gives you some options in how your Shepard would react, and really helps define an individual Shepard's personality. As long as Shepards without LIs get as good options as those with an LI, I'd definitely love to see it.
Modifié par Lord_Caledore, 08 décembre 2010 - 04:08 .
