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[Johnny Chaos]

This Stars Wars MMO doesnt look promising and BW will prolly take the heat for it's failure.  Noone is going to quit WoW for this, Aion tried that and look where they ended up.  The only promising news this Star Wars mmo has going for it is Blizzard is getting tired of the WoW series.  Any thoughts?

[Enscar]

The franchise itself wouldn't still be around if it wasn't still making money, the fanbase for both Bioware and Starwars is huge, it's not necessary for people to quit wow to play TOR. I personally would like to see it develop a community of it's own.



LucasArts and Bioware work well together as they have shown in the past and I'm sure they've developed something very unique to the genre.

[Mister Mida]

I'd rather play tOR than WoW. Until then I'll just stick to LotRO

[Loerwyn]

Star Wars is a huge franchise, and it's far from done, but it needs to adapt. BioWare, to my knowledge, created the first openly homosexual (Think Juhani's still the only one, could be wrong) character in the franchise. The franchise needs to become more open to those sorts of characters if it's going to progress into this modern age.

Ahem. No, Star Wars isn't done and there's a lot they can do with it. TOR might be a bit unnecessary with regards to being just another MMO, but Galaxy is probably on its last legs now, and it's time for a more upto date MMO which takes advantage of advances in gaming - Which is what TOR is. Add into the equation the fact that KotOR was, in terms of reception, a very well liked and enjoyed game, and it's only natural for LucasArts to want to capitalise on it.

I don't think TOR is going after WoW, and MMOs are slowly starting to realise that doing so = failure. Yes, take inspiration from it, but to go after it is bad. TOR, in my opinion, looks to be more in-depth and more about the player than WoW is (Which is predominantly group based, especially towards end-game) and I think that's one strength it has. It doesn't need to take down WoW to succeed, nor does any other MMO.

[Captain Crash]

Star Wars will never be done, its a detailed universe with thousands of followers. Although you may not like the direction its going in it still sells really big. I dont see it going anywhere for a very long time.

Additionally the original trilogy is being re-re-released for cinema in 3D at a tbc date so I believe.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 02 décembre 2010 - 11:17 .

[Johnny Chaos]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Star Wars is a huge franchise, and it's far from done, but it needs to adapt. BioWare, to my knowledge, created the first openly homosexual (Think Juhani's still the only one, could be wrong) character in the franchise. The franchise needs to become more open to those sorts of characters if it's going to progress into this modern age.

Ahem. No, Star Wars isn't done and there's a lot they can do with it. TOR might be a bit unnecessary with regards to being just another MMO, but Galaxy is probably on its last legs now, and it's time for a more upto date MMO which takes advantage of advances in gaming - Which is what TOR is. Add into the equation the fact that KotOR was, in terms of reception, a very well liked and enjoyed game, and it's only natural for LucasArts to want to capitalise on it.

I don't think TOR is going after WoW, and MMOs are slowly starting to realise that doing so = failure. Yes, take inspiration from it, but to go after it is bad. TOR, in my opinion, looks to be more in-depth and more about the player than WoW is (Which is predominantly group based, especially towards end-game) and I think that's one strength it has. It doesn't need to take down WoW to succeed, nor does any other MMO.

i think creating more homosexuals in the star wars universe would cause alot of controversy.  the series has been strong for 40 years now, and the LoTR trilogy wouldnt have become popular if it wasn't for the movies.

If I'm correct LoTR online is doing well? so mayber TOR does have a chance

[MaaZeus]

Star Wars is faaar from done, atleast if we think of extended universe. Its too large and rich to die. However you are right that George Lucas should... go away. Yes yes we thank you for creating something so fantastic and you need all the credits for that, but I will never forgive you for almost butchering it all with EP1-3...

[MaaZeus]

Strangely Brown wrote...

Not that I would object but a lack of homosexuality in Star Wars is far from the largest problem with the franchise. What Star Wars really needs most is a lack of George Lucas. He should not write, direct, or have any artistic say in any of it any more. The last three movies were enough to convince me of that.

This is exactly what I mean. He has done his job, now let it live a life of its own.

[lv12medic]

Are you kidding? Have you walked into a toy store/toy aisle in a department store. If it weren't for LEGO making non-Star Wars kits, there wouldn't be anything else but Star Wars on the shelves. (exaggeration a bit but you get my point). Of course the toys don't have much to do with Star Wars a story/universe.

[Busomjack]

Star Wars:The Old Republic looks incredibly, far better than any other MMORPG out there since unlike other MMORPGs you actually role play a character and make choices in the game's plot which have influence on the world around you.

Playing WOW you just feel like a mindless grunt who runs around doing things that other people are too lazy to do themselves. There is a plot going on in WOW, Hell it's not even half bad but you never feel like you have any real role in it.

The Old Republic basically takes the depth of character interaction from games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age and applies them to an MMORPG and even though it is an MMORPG there is still a strong single player component.

Aion was crap and it came from some nobody Korean company. Bioware is one of the most famous developers in the industry. Add that to the fact that The Old Republic is based on a franchise with an already huge pre-existing fanbase and I really think that this game will be the one that finally takes down World of Warcraft and GOOD FRIGGIN RIDDANCE!

[Loerwyn]

Johnny Chaos wrote...
i think creating more homosexuals in the star wars universe would cause alot of controversy.

Exactly! The franchise needs to branch out and be more open to things, and not just homosexuality. It was one example I gave of how the franchise hasn't moved on. It's had thousands of characters, ranging from your typical White Heroes through Black Heroes, and it's had plenty of strong women.

Johnny Chaos wrote...
and the LoTR trilogy wouldnt have become popular if it wasn't for the movies.

What? Are you serious? LotR was huge before the movies came along.

[Busomjack]

I think we're making too big a deal about homosexuals in Star Wars. Star Wars The Old Republic brings life to the Star Wars franchise by being an excellent game that tells a great story.  Hell George Lucas should've let Drew Karpyshyn write the prequels.  Juhani being a lesbian isn't that big of a deal even if it does make the roster more interesting.

Also, I don't think homosexuality is really that controversial. Sure there are some people who are insecure about their own sexuality who disapprove of it but it's not like having a gay character is the most controversial thing Bioware has put in their games. I think the racism in Mass Effect 1 was a far more controversial, even if it did involve aliens.
Knights Of The Old Republic also touched on the subject of racism but Mass Effec actually made being a racist a viable option.

Modifié par Busomjack, 02 décembre 2010 - 07:00 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Johnny Chaos wrote...
i think creating more homosexuals in the star wars universe would cause alot of controversy.

Exactly! The franchise needs to branch out and be more open to things, and not just homosexuality. It was one example I gave of how the franchise hasn't moved on. It's had thousands of characters, ranging from your typical White Heroes through Black Heroes, and it's had plenty of strong women.

Keep the Jedi Order clean from sexuality, even a normal relationship can conclude to many harms to the galaxy. and I don't think Siths are homosexual either; so you should establish your own new order

[Busomjack]

I think that whole "jedis must abstain" philosophy was only introduced with the prequel trilogy. Best to dismiss anything that happened in the prequels as non-canon.

[Johnny Chaos]

Busomjack wrote...

I think we're making too big a deal about homosexuals in Star Wars. Star Wars The Old Republic brings life to the Star Wars franchise by being an excellent game that tells a great story.  Hell George Lucas should've let Drew Karpyshyn write the prequels.  Juhani being a lesbian isn't that big of a deal even if it does make the roster more interesting.

Also, I don't think homosexuality is really that controversial. Sure there are some people who are insecure about their own sexuality who disapprove of it but it's not like having a gay character is the most controversial thing Bioware has put in their games. I think the racism in Mass Effect 1 was a far more controversial, even if it did involve aliens.
Knights Of The Old Republic also touched on the subject of racism but Mass Effec actually made being a racist a viable option.

sorry when i read your post i kept reading "There is full frontal nudity in this game."  still get a laugh out of that.

[Loerwyn]

No, Busomjack et al, I was using homosexuality as an example of why the series needs to adapt. I'm not saying we should have every other character as a homosexual or make a big deal about it, but it's just one way in which the series can adapt with minimal impact that just widens the things they can do with the franchise. Heck, the original series touched upon incest, and over the history of the franchise there's been mass murder, relationships, rape, genocide and most of the other topics under the sun - So why not these other issues and situations that are prevalent in the modern world?

It's not about raising controversy, it's about increasing the scope of the franchise and keeping it relevant.

[LiquidGrape]

Garbage Master wrote...

Keep the Jedi Order clean from sexuality, even a normal relationship can conclude to many harms to the galaxy. and I don't think Siths are homosexual either; so you should establish your own new order

But really. I think introducing those themes would be a breath of fresh air. Sci-fi in general is much too stagnant as it is, and I find it rather ironic that a genre which often supposedly portrays our collective future is so thoroughly out of the loop.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 02 décembre 2010 - 07:23 .

[Busomjack]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

No, Busomjack et al, I was using homosexuality as an example of why the series needs to adapt. I'm not saying we should have every other character as a homosexual or make a big deal about it, but it's just one way in which the series can adapt with minimal impact that just widens the things they can do with the franchise. Heck, the original series touched upon incest, and over the history of the franchise there's been mass murder, relationships, rape, genocide and most of the other topics under the sun - So why not these other issues and situations that are prevalent in the modern world?
It's not about raising controversy, it's about increasing the scope of the franchise and keeping it relevant.

I see what you're saying and I agree.  I think when a game deals with common themes which we experience as a part of every day life, regardless of how politically incorrect or controversial they may be they help give the game a personal touch, it makes it easier to empathize with the characters, their struggles and imagine ourselves in the world they live in.
I think one of the great things about Mass Effect 1 and 2's inclusion of such things is that it makes me feel like Mass Effect is truly our world and that what is happening in the game is something that could really happen.

[Daewan]

*wonders if he is the only one who ever reads the comics and books*
Not to harp on the topic, but:
There are gay and lesbian characters in the Star Wars universe. Best examples are actually in the Mandalorians, where no one cares at all. The comics also had a classic example of a celibate, gay Jedi. The Sith apparently are more into BDSM than caring about specific orientation.
Moving on. In answer to the value of the franchise and whether it should continue:
The six Star Wars movies have grossed USD 2 billion in US box office sales. That's just the movies. The nearest competitor is the Harry Potter franchise, which has earned USD 1.7 billion in US box office sales (not counting the most recent release, figures from Forbes). Star Wars movies have earned USD 4.5 billion in worldwide box office sales, and Lucas notoriously does not release sales figures for licensed and affiliated products. However, he has a personal value of USD 3.25 billion, so he's clearly raking it in and people still buy it.

Modifié par Daewan, 02 décembre 2010 - 07:51 .

[Busomjack]

Man, Harry Potter has really grossed that much revenue? I don't get what people see in that series, it SUCKS! There is not a single idea in any of those stupid movies that hasn't been taken from another story.

And the Harry Potter movies are SOOOO damn boring. They're way too long too!

[Daewan]

The most popular stories are both original and familiar. That's how humans work.

Worldwide, Star Wars beats out Harry Potter by a much wider margin.

[Loerwyn]

Daewan wrote...
*snip*

As I think I mentioned above, I wasn't sure if Juhani was still the only gay character or if it changed.