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[Salz99]

So, the first time I played through I didn't have high enough par/ren scores to talk Wrex down and Ashley shot him.  Wrex was my favorite.  Did anyone else feel like you should have the option to shoot Ashley?  She shot one of your crew members while you were trying to talk him down.  I personally wanted to blow her head off.

Modifié par Salz99, 02 décembre 2010 - 03:10 .

[chris025657]

Wrex was going to try to kill you. Ashley is protecting Shepard if you're not doing it yourself.

[Praetor Knight]

Salz99 wrote...

So, the first time I played through I didn't have high enough par/ren scores to talk Wrex down and Ashley shot him.  Wrex was my favorite.  Did anyone else feel like you should have the option to shoot Ashley?  She shot one of your crew members while you were trying to talk him down.  I personally wanted to blow her head off.

That happened to me too first time and that's how I felt on my first playthrough. Guess who stayed behind there?

But aside from having high paragon / renegade there are a two other things you can do. The first is finding his family Armor, that he tells you about, if you speak to him enough after other missions, (maybe assignments?)

The second is not recruiting enough squadmates, but I never tried that and can't remember the exact requirements for that to trigger.

[Salz99]

Lol, yeah, she usually gets left behind for me as well.



I dunno, I just felt like... my Shepard would've at least knocked her down a few notches for pulling that. I think Shepard can handle Wrex and doesn't need some rookie soldier fudging things up.

[Praetor Knight]

That first playthough I talked to her enough to know of her xenophobia, and then she shoots Wrex so suddenly and cold-bloodedly. Since then i've done either choice though.



After that, one of my first assignments was for Wrex's family armor.

[Stazro]

True story: I wasn't aware that Wrex could die on Virmire until I started a default Shepard in ME2 and learned about it that way.

[MrDizazta]

I simply refuse to kill Wrex. I will always do his Family Armor mission just to make sure i dont kill him. His is too much of a badass for me to kill in the first place.

[INSAN3SOLDIERN]

Salz99 wrote...

Lol, yeah, she usually gets left behind for me as well.

I dunno, I just felt like... my Shepard would've at least knocked her down a few notches for pulling that. I think Shepard can handle Wrex and doesn't need some rookie soldier fudging things up.

Except she's not a rookie...

Also, I may be the only one to think this, but I'm fairly certain that Shepard implies to Ashley to be prepared to take action in case the worst happens. I never kill Wrex, but I like to think that it wasn't anything to do with Ashley's xenophobia which she may or may not suffer from at that point, anyway. Also, I kind of doubt Shepard would have been able to handle Wrex in a straight up fight, everyone who knows anything about the first Mass Effect knows that a charging Krogan is the most dangerous enemy. So, I don't think Shep has a chance unless he/she or Ash shoot first.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

INSAN3SOLDIERN wrote...

Except she's not a rookie...

Also, I may be the only one to think this, but I'm fairly certain that Shepard implies to Ashley to be prepared to take action in case the worst happens. I never kill Wrex, but I like to think that it wasn't anything to do with Ashley's xenophobia which she may or may not suffer from at that point, anyway. Also, I kind of doubt Shepard would have been able to handle Wrex in a straight up fight, everyone who knows anything about the first Mass Effect knows that a charging Krogan is the most dangerous enemy. So, I don't think Shep has a chance unless he/she or Ash shoot first.

You do have the option to kill Wrex yourself. Shepard can take Wrex straight up.

[Praetor Knight]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

INSAN3SOLDIERN wrote...

Except she's not a rookie...

Also, I may be the only one to think this, but I'm fairly certain that Shepard implies to Ashley to be prepared to take action in case the worst happens. I never kill Wrex, but I like to think that it wasn't anything to do with Ashley's xenophobia which she may or may not suffer from at that point, anyway. Also, I kind of doubt Shepard would have been able to handle Wrex in a straight up fight, everyone who knows anything about the first Mass Effect knows that a charging Krogan is the most dangerous enemy. So, I don't think Shep has a chance unless he/she or Ash shoot first.

You do have the option to kill Wrex yourself. Shepard can take Wrex straight up.

But why?

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

You do have the option to kill Wrex yourself. Shepard can take Wrex straight up.

But why?

Because he pulls a gun on me and persuasion involves me putting the gun down first. My renShep would never ever ever ever ever ever put his gun down first.

[Alienmorph]

The good news is that you remained pissed off if Ash kills Wrex is that you can return the favour letting her blow up with 1/2 of Virmire. Personally, I simply do the personal quest of Wrex to make him loyal, so it's possible to save him even without charm or intimidation.

[mcsupersport]

To not have to do the armor quest but still save him by having too few teammates you have to:

1) Don't recruit Garrus.

2) Don't recruit Liara until after Virmire.

3) Do Virmire with only Tali, Ashley, Kaidan, and Wrex.



When you do it, Ash and Kai are left out of party for missions, so you have to have Wrex with Tali to make the pair of teammates for the game, so this guarantees that he lives.

[INSAN3SOLDIERN]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

INSAN3SOLDIERN wrote...

Except she's not a rookie...

Also, I may be the only one to think this, but I'm fairly certain that Shepard implies to Ashley to be prepared to take action in case the worst happens. I never kill Wrex, but I like to think that it wasn't anything to do with Ashley's xenophobia which she may or may not suffer from at that point, anyway. Also, I kind of doubt Shepard would have been able to handle Wrex in a straight up fight, everyone who knows anything about the first Mass Effect knows that a charging Krogan is the most dangerous enemy. So, I don't think Shep has a chance unless he/she or Ash shoot first.

You do have the option to kill Wrex yourself. Shepard can take Wrex straight up.

I remember a friend accidentally shooting Wrex himself during his first playthrough. So, I actually did know this and that is why I said Shepard or Ash would have to shoot first. Even if i do play a renegade Shepard, though, I play in a way that values the people around me. Enemies catch hell, though. And, at that point, it's really difficult to see Wrex as an enemy.

[V-rex]

Alienmorph wrote...

Sorry, I think I made it look like I was unfairly picking on just you, this is in general response to the whole Wrex/Shepard/Ashley exchange on Virimire and all the arguments I hear about it in general..

GRRRR HOW DARE YOU ACT ON INITIATIVE TO SAVE MY LIFE. WHY I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED HIM TO BLOW MY HEAD INTO TASTY CHUNKY PIECES!!!


Seriously, Wrex is an armored hunk of meat and anger and he's pointing the gun at Shepard's face. Now you keep playing the 'I was talking him down' argument but the thing is, I've seen how that scene plays out:
If Ashley does shoot Wrex on initiative it only happens if negotiations appear to have failed, Shepard lowers his/her weapon and tries to play the 'let's talk about it card' and Wrex rather coldly says, without lowering his gun, 'No, the time for talking is over, time to do this my way'.

So now, imagine that from the perspective of the soldier sent to watch Shepard's back, the angry mecenary who already demonstrated once before that he is not above shooting an unarmed prisoner has continued to point the gun at the commander even after the commander lowered his weapon.
And then he says that he no longer wants to talk and instead wants to do things 'his way'.

Do you think you are going to wait around for Shepard to successfully convince him? It doesn't look like it's working and Wrex is seriously pissed and about an inch away from making Shepard's head and upper torso look like a dark artistic redesign, what do you do?

Seriously, I get so sick of people complaining about this, I bet if it were a less popular character pointing the gun at Shepard there would be no objections to this turn of events, hell people actually want to shoot Ashley just for being mad at Shepard, it's wierd that they are willing to overlook an actual probable death threat. Ashley shot to defend her commander/boyfriend, not because she had an itchy trigger finger and wanted to shoot herself some Krogans.

And no, the 'oh she shoots him repeatedly when he's down' is not a valid point either, if Shepard kills Wrex personally, he too (or she) also shoots Wrex repeatedly while he's down. It's because the first shot should have been a kill shot, and the others were to finish him off.
So if people are willing to judge Ashley for that, then judge Shepard as well. Otherwise it is just not fair.


That said, Wrex dying is a tragedy. He is far too awesome to be allowed to die, hence I always work really hard to max out my charm and paragon points and do his personal assignment, thus making sure he is destined to live. Thing is, I actually managed to do this on my very first playthrough, back when I was a mega noob, I still saved Wrex.
I knew that there was a chance he could die on Virmire (actually all I remember was it being some random facility didn't know it was Virmire specifically) so when I realized I liked him, I worked overtime to keep him alive. Paragoning like mad, I drank in the paragon and charm points like they were an addictive drug and when Virmire popped up, and the confrontation, even though it took me by surprise, I succeeded in saving Wrex.
As I have every other time since then.

My point to this, if I, an utter noob at the time, could have saved Wrex, then everyone else should be able to as well. I didn't even know the name of the mission that the confrontation happened in, but when I got there I saved him. Because I had read up on the game and I had prepared.
When I see videos of Wrex dying on Virmire the only choice is either the Shepard's ordered Ashley to kill him, or chose to kill him themselves, or they simply didn't care enough. They knew the risk when they went in, they knew that he could get killed and they knew the way to save him.
What they didn't do, was act on those ways. Instead they just did nothing, no personal assignment, no working the charm points and no working the paragon points, instead they just let him die because they did absolutely nothing within their vast power available to them to prevent his fate.

But they still cared enough to condemn the NPC who just happened to have saved their lives from their own incompetance. I'm sorry but, I have no sympathy.


OT: Like I said above, max out the paragon and charm points or do Wrex's personal assignment about his family armor, you unlock it after he's talked about Jarrod, you ask about his other father which is when he in turn talks about recovering his old family armor. You do that for him, no matter what you say, he remains loyal to you.

Modifié par V-rex, 03 décembre 2010 - 04:34 .