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[Praetor Knight]

ReconTeam wrote...

Why not? But I would like to see more than two possible outcomes. I'm sure there will be the overly paragon-ish peace route but what about an outcome that benefits Shepard but hurts both the geth and quarians?

Certainly an interesting alternative, it's the end of the trilogy so we can only hope for more reprecussions from any decision compared to what's been presented in the first two games.

[Manic Sheep]

If there was no other alternative I would either stay out of it because it none of my business or side with the Quarians. Sorry Legion but at the end of the day you are a machine.

[Killjoy Cutter]

I prefer to not have my RPGs or stories try to hammer me as a player or reader with some false dichotomy.

[Temaperacl]

I definately think the option would be nice. The range of possibilies should be based on what has been done previously, though.
I see the available starting conditions as (The ones i can think of as of End of ME2 and ignoring twists such as "rewriting the heretics backfires and causes all geth to become 'heretics'):

A) Geth United  (Chose to rewrite)
Geth Divided (Did not perform Loyalty Mission)
C) Geth Divided, Heretics weakened (Chose to destroy)
D) Quarians United with research (Did not reveal evidence)
E) Quarians United without research (Did not perform Loyalty Mission)
F) Quarians Divided (Revealed Evidence)
G) Shepard has Geth Contact (Recruited Legion)
H) Shepard has Quarian contact (Recruited Tali and, say, not exiled OR Kal'Reegar alive)
I) Shepard has Contacts for Both (Recruited Both + conditions)
J) Shepard has no contacts (Did not recruit either or just Tali and failed conditions)
K) Shepard has enhanced Anti-Geth resources (The ME1 mission (forgot the name) OR turned Legion over to Cerberus)
Ending conditions being (Ignoring external impacts)
1:gX) Geth Destroyed
1:g-) Geth Neutral, Minor Power
1:g+) Geth Neutral, Major Power
1:G-) Geth Allies, Minor Power
1:G+) Geth Allies, Major Power
2:hX) Heretics Destroyed
2:hE) Heretics Active
3:qX) Quarians Destroyed
3:q-) Quarians Neutral, Minor Power
3:q+) Quarians Neutral, Major Power
3:Q-) Quarians Allies, Minor Power
3:Q+) Quarians Allies, Major Power

Now, i would like the activities in ME3 to determine which result occurs, but have the previous actions decide which results are possible.
For example, assuming we have the basic choices of
P) Negotiating Peace
Q) Aiding Quarians
R) Aiding Geth
(There would destorying both, but I don't know how that would play out)
Now, if we have a start of
ADG, I would want P/Q/R to lead to, say, G+hXQ+/g-hEQ+/G+hXq- (Or, if you want the all-paragon to have negative effects like I've seen people advocate, go for something like G-hXQ-/g-hEQ+/G+hXq- : you can get both weak or one of them strong. Maybe because they both agree to help, but don't trust each other enough to commit everything, or something like that)
AEG, on the other hand, would lead to    G+hEQ+/g-hEQ-/G+hXQ-
While other variations such as
BDHK would lead to g-hXQ+/gXhXQ+/g+hEq- (or maybe //G-hEq-)
AFI -> G+hXQ-/g+hEQ-/G+hXq-

And so on.
At least, that is what I would like to see.

[Busomjack]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I prefer to not have my RPGs or stories try to hammer me as a player or reader with some false dichotomy.

You should consider playing Final Fantasy XIII.  Sounds like it would be your perfect RPG.

[GracefulChicken]

I'd takeout the Quarians in a heatbeat. There's 17 million of them, give or take, right? Legion says theres billions of Geth platforms. I'd take billions of Geth over 17 million purple things that get sick and die if you even cough on them.

[Busomjack]

GracefulChicken wrote...

I'd takeout the Quarians in a heatbeat. There's 17 million of them, give or take, right? Legion says theres billions of Geth platforms. I'd take billions of Geth over 17 million purple things that get sick and die if you even cough on them.

I agree and it would also be funny to see all the Quarians burn in agony..

[Dean_the_Young]

My Paragon Shepard would kill the Geth.



Why? Because she sold Legion to Cerberus, and so by ME3 all Geth will be Heretic Geth, and no one will ever have known there was a difference.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Busomjack wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I prefer to not have my RPGs or stories try to hammer me as a player or reader with some false dichotomy.

You should consider playing Final Fantasy XIII.  Sounds like it would be your perfect RPG.

Hmmm... no.

[Luigitornado]

Wouldn't be surprised if a war happens during ME3...which may be disrupted by the Reaper invasion.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Busomjack wrote...

I could just totally imagine Tali's expression when I board the Flotilla with Legion and an army of Geth behind me and I tell her

Shepard:sorry Tali, if we don't stop the Reapers we're all dead and the Geth will be more useful to me than the Quarians."

Tali:Shepard... how could you... after all we've been through.

Shepard:Legion, kill the remaining Quarians and hack the main interface to disable life support for the remaining vessels.

That would be pretty badass

[Busomjack]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I could just totally imagine Tali's expression when I board the Flotilla with Legion and an army of Geth behind me and I tell her

Shepard:sorry Tali, if we don't stop the Reapers we're all dead and the Geth will be more useful to me than the Quarians."

Tali:Shepard... how could you... after all we've been through.

Shepard:Legion, kill the remaining Quarians and hack the main interface to disable life support for the remaining vessels.

That would be pretty badass

Yeah, I think it makes sense that Legion being a tech expert would use his skills to help destroy the Quarians.  Likewise if you side with the Quarians then you can utilize Tali's tech expertise to sabotage the Mass Effect cores of the Geth fleets since obviously they don't need life support.

[Dave of Canada]

Destruction of the first offender. Quarians attack first? They burn. None of this "oh tali is going to be sad" influencing my decision.

[TheNexus]

Knowing Bioware, there's going to be some sort of "truce" until the Reaper threat is dealt with. And if it isn't dealt with...well...then everyone's dead anyway.



If it really came down to picking, however, I'd side with the Quarians, because they are mechanical and engineering geniuses and would most likely be able to use the geth technology on Rannoch to fight the Reapers, along with probably being able to upgrade it significantly.

[thatguy212]

[Renegade interrupt]

Shepard: Hey Tali is your helmet bullet proof?

[TK Dude]

If this happens, I'll declare renegade shepard as ''sadistic bastard''

On the topic, I rather make peace with two of them than killing one for fun.

[BahamutEx]

I'll never fight/kill the quarians.... Oo

The geth maybe with a renegade character but more likely not.

[S-A128]

I'll kill geth, but not quarians. wtf could they have done to ****** me off? I'm with quarians. But I'd reason with geth and quarians. There throwing the only home they have.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

To answer the original question - no, I don't want to kill either the Quarians or the Geth. There is no war between the Quarians and the Geth, so why would you want to force one? The Geth, assuming you stop the heretics, are likely your biggest allies against the Reapers. The Quarians are also big allies with their huge fleet.



I think instead the Reaper threat will be the trigger for a lasting peace between the two, allowing the Quarians to go home.

[Busomjack]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

To answer the original question - no, I don't want to kill either the Quarians or the Geth. There is no war between the Quarians and the Geth, so why would you want to force one? The Geth, assuming you stop the heretics, are likely your biggest allies against the Reapers. The Quarians are also big allies with their huge fleet.

I think instead the Reaper threat will be the trigger for a lasting peace between the two, allowing the Quarians to go home.

There is no war currently between the Geth and the Quarians but Hans'Gerrel Vas Neema (AKA Loghain) on the admiralty board supports the idea so depending on how much political clout he has I think it's possible the Quarians could start a pre-emptive war with the Geth which puts the player in a difficult position to choose sides.  If there is a way to resolve the conflict peacefully then it should require extra effort on behalf of the player and require the right decisions were made in a few earlier side missions.
For example,  I think a good idea would be to help Quarian moderates overthrow Hans'Gerrel and install the more moderate Qwib Qwib as the chief of the admiralty board since we know in Mass Effect 2 that Qwib Qwib doesn't want a war with the Geth.
While you're on the Flotilla in Mass Effect 3 I think some new Quarian characters should confront you and explain their concerns about Hans'Gerrel since they know a war would be disastrous.  They can tell you that there is some scandalous information about Hans'Gerrel like he had past dealings with the collectors and that if they can get a hold of it it will force him to resign.

Modifié par Busomjack, 03 décembre 2010 - 11:50 .

[mopotter]

Xilizhra wrote...

Not really; either one is a waste. I'd rather they work together against the Reapers.

Also, not the Alliance vs. Cerberus: the Council vs. Cerberus. I'm convinced that the Alliance is part of the problem.

I agree with you on both points.  There should be at least 2 choices war (with the option to support the geth or the quarians and working for peace.   

And while I don't think the whole Alliance is involved with cerberus, I'm sure there are high ranking officials from the Alliance that are involved.  

[Soahfreako]

Neither. There'll most likely be an option to have both work together.

[Killjoy Cutter]

I wouldn't call Quib Quib a moderate. His stated position isn't one of negotiation or compromise with the Geth, it's one of complete capitulation.   None of the three Admirals who voted during the trial are moderates.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 03 décembre 2010 - 03:05 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

It's always interesting to see how these threads bring the Tali-haters out of the woodwork.