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[AdmiralCheez]

GodWood wrote...

If asari were behind Mindoir I'm sure they'd probably be cool with it.

Probably.  Hell, I give the turians a pass on a lot of things just because they radiate badassery.

Seriously, though.  The way some people talk about batarians here is the exact same way batarians talk about humans.  IRONY AHOY.

[ObserverStatus]

GodWood wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
That paragade term is nonsense.
If your Paragon bar is higher, your paragon.
Deal with it.

fine, renagon.

Gah more nonsense attempts at individualism!

I do paragade playthroughs so that the character's actions will not governed by Bioware's perception of morality.  It makes perfect sense if you ask me.  If a character makes decisions which Bioware views as "paragon" 60% of the time, but decides to space one of the four eyed terrorists who killed his parents, that makes perfect sense to me.  Just because a character's paragon bar is slightly bigger than their renegade bar, that doesn't mean that they can't hate batarians.

Modifié par bobobo878, 03 décembre 2010 - 08:37 .

[GodWood]

bobobo878 wrote...
Just because a character's paragon bar is slightly bigger than their renegade bar, that doesn't mean that they can't hate batarians.

Of course.
My point is if your paragon bar is bigger than your renegade, your paragon.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Jack 'Bauer' Shepard "The only good Batarian, is a dead Batarian!"



As Kraidy has said, if we are to get a Batarian Squadmate it needs to be optional either like Legion or just someone we can choose to recruit or not (or kill if we want > )



Considering several of the background/profile stories revolve around Shepard having bad encounters with Batarians in some form or other, it would just seem silly to have Shepard be forced to accept a permanent squadmate.



Now that I think about it, I'd be ok with a Batarian 'Red-Shirt' as well (though that is probably obvious due to my previous sentence ).



Picture the scene, Shepard, Aria and Anto breaking out of a prison, get to a certain stage where the other new 'permanent' squadmate arrives on the scene, Anto panics because it's another human... "Say goodnight Anto!" *Aria shrugs* "He wasn't that good a bodyguard anyway!"

Edit: As to the whole Paragon/Renegade debate that seems to have cropped up in this topic, I think Sten said it best..

"People are not simple. They cannot be defined for easy reference in the manner of: 'the elves are a lithe, pointy-eared people who excel at poverty.'"

That said, I agree with people who refer to themselves as paragade or renegon. I would only consider one of my characters a Renegade/Paragon if I was aiming to get above say 70% of it and doing as little of the other as possible. If I have a character who doesn't get above 60% of either then I would probably refer to them as a Paragade or Renegon depending on which score was the highest (first part of the word being the highest)

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 03 décembre 2010 - 09:05 .

[curly haired boy]

in ME3, i'm letting the reapers hit the batarian homeworld.



and then after i kill the reapers, i'll finish the job and wipe out all the remnants.

[S-A128]

Finally i have been making polls for a batarian squadmate. I will totally agree with one

[Klimy]

curly haired boy wrote...

in ME3, i'm letting the reapers hit the batarian homeworld.

and then after i kill the reapers, i'll finish the job and wipe out all the remnants.

Dont forget to blame it on reapers afterwards Oh and can my Shep also join the fun?

[Phategod1]

To me they seem like the Middle American Racist of the galaxy they think there above humans never mind the fact they're Ignorant, imbecilic nature.

[wrexfan32hanalei]

curly haired boy wrote...

in ME3, i'm letting the reapers hit the batarian homeworld.

and then after i kill the reapers, i'll finish the job and wipe out all the remnants.

THIS! and by the way, I mostly play paragon, I saved the council and support a genophage cure. But I also killed the rachni queen and I'd totally airlock Clark. batarians are just such a good bad guy for me. Have you ever spoken to a viet nam combat vet who who still calls asians gooks and scream at the TV during Full Metal Jacket? That's the menatlity my Shep brings to any batarian encounters. don't wanna get to know them.

[Ahglock]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

While I don't have as massive of a hate for them I basically agree.  I hate when people humnize the "evil" alien race.  Keep the evil slaver race evil, don't give me the they are all individuals crap. 

If you don't like humanization of "evil" aliens, you should probably not play Mass Effect.  After all, krogans are supposed to be brutal savages, and turians are ruthless war-criminals.  Oh, and the geth are totally out to kill all organics.

In fact, I think humanization of "evil" aliens is kind of the point.

In other words, you humans are all racist!

(PS: Fear not, for the Reapers will most certainly stay evil.)

Outside the geth I think you are wrong about that.  Krogans don't really change.  They still are a warlike klingon clone culture.  That deosn't make them evil, but nothing signifigant really changes about them.  The turians are still ruthless and effective, though I would not call it a war crime.  Shepard can alter these things to some degree for an individual, and that individual might try to make changes to his/her society as a whole.  And that works for me, like Wrex in ME1-2.

The geth in ME2, well I hate the cop out for them.  Given this is a no spoilers thread I can't really explain it, but they effectively retconned them, and I don't like it.  If they had in story changes and actions by Shepard to alter the geth in ME1 I'd be down with it.  If a big part of ME1 or 2 was shepard bringing the horrors of batarian slavery to their public consciousness fine have them change.  But poof now here is the happy nice batarrian what a bunch of crap. 

Don't get me wrong, I don't think every Batarrian out there is evil.  Maybe there is a guy starting a anti slavery movement, fine and dandy.  But given the geth I don't think they would do that if they made the good batarrian.  It would be the they are largely misunderstood and most of them are good peope crap, and I find that lame. 

[Ahglock]

Phategod1 wrote...

To me they seem like the Middle American Racist of the galaxy they think there above humans never mind the fact they're Ignorant, imbecilic nature.

I got all the iron I need in my diet just by reading your post. 

[Felfenix]

No. It's ridiculous that the Normandy is some kind of alien zoo exhibition. Shepard's squad just happens to be coincidentally composed of one of every species in the galaxy? What a joke.

Besides, I don't want any dirty Batarian terrorists on my ship.

Modifié par Felfenix, 03 décembre 2010 - 10:14 .

[AdmiralCheez]

mrsph wrote...

All the batarian squadmember needs is one badass scene and everyone will fawn over him despite his faults/race

Like Legion

THIS.  Also, it is precisely BECAUSE everyone thinks they are terrorists/Shepard has some serious reasons to hate them that we should get one as a squadmate.  Think of the crazy dialogue between this guy and a colonist/ruthless Shepard:

Shep: "Don't act like you're my friend.  I know what your kind did on Midnoir!  Hundreds of innocent people--my whole damn family--"

Batarian: "And I know what you did on Torfan!  Hell, with your reputation, you think I'd be stupid enough to stab you in the back?"

Shep: "I thought stabbing people in the back was a way of life for you ugly bastards."

Batarain: "Funny.  I could almost say the same about humans."

[Renegade interrupt: Punch batarian in face]

*Batarian hits floor, hand over his bloody nose*

Shep: "I don't give a damn about what you think of humans.  You're on my ship because I was nice enough to show you mercy.  Don't make me change my mind."

*Shepard storms out*

[Alternatively, interrupt not taken]

Batarian: "... Look.  I don't like you any more than you like me, but you're the only person in this whole damn galaxy who's willing to get off his ass and fight for what's important.  Either I work with you, or I do nothing and watch it all go to hell.  Your species isn't the only one on the brink of annihilation, Shepard.  We all are.  I'm not gonna let my people die just because the Hegemony's too stupid to take action themselves."

Shep: "So you're just in this for your own kind?"

Batarian: "Aren't you in it to save the humans?"

Shep: "At least humanity's worth saving."

Batarian: "I know a lot of people who would disagree with you."

Shep: "Whatever.  I'm wasting time talking to you."

*Shepard leaves*

(Also, lol @ the "zoo" comment.  It's funny when people are racist about races that don't actually exist.)

[kraidy1117]

mrsph wrote...

All the batarian squadmember needs is one badass scene and everyone will fawn over him despite his faults/race

Like Legion

Not with Fiona, maybe another Shepard but a lot of my Shepards will not work with batarians.

[AdmiralCheez]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Not with Fiona, maybe another Shepard but a lot of my Shepards will not work with batarians.

So Bioware should exclude content just because it's not how you would roleplay it?

[ObserverStatus]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Not with Fiona, maybe another Shepard but a lot of my Shepards will not work with batarians.

So Bioware should exclude content just because it's not how you would roleplay it?

No, he's just saying that there should be an option to kill the critter before recruiting it, like Zevran.

[kraidy1117]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Not with Fiona, maybe another Shepard but a lot of my Shepards will not work with batarians.

So Bioware should exclude content just because it's not how you would roleplay it?

It should be optonal, but what mr said is simply not true. A batarian squadmate could come with the best cutscene ever with exploins and bpboies and I still woulnd't care.

[kraidy1117]

bobobo878 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Not with Fiona, maybe another Shepard but a lot of my Shepards will not work with batarians.

So Bioware should exclude content just because it's not how you would roleplay it?

No, he's just saying that there should be an option to kill the critter before recruiting it, like Zevran.

BINGO!

20000 points to Bobobobobo.

[AdmiralCheez]

bobobo878 wrote...

No, he's just saying that there should be an option to kill the critter before recruiting it, like Zevran.

That's an option I totally support.  Win both ways, huzzah!

So long as it doesn't turn into a "baaaw I got cheated out on content because I took a renegade option" thing.  Seriously, that's like saying you don't want any candy, and then complaining when everyone else gets candy.

@kraidy777: Okay, I get it.  However, as I am horribly shallow, badass moments immediately win me over, no matter which Shepard I'm playing.

[kraidy1117]

Zev was good IMHO. If you didn't take him, you just miss out on a party member, that's it. You miss a lot of dialog and such but it's not bad as say loosing a whole quest, epic weapons ect.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 03 décembre 2010 - 11:36 .

[Mako Zalos]

YAY! Another person pushing for a Batarian squaddie. Oh yeah and........ TOREK!:O:alien:

[Mako Zalos]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

mrsph wrote...

All the batarian squadmember needs is one badass scene and everyone will fawn over him despite his faults/race

Like Legion

THIS.  Also, it is precisely BECAUSE everyone thinks they are terrorists/Shepard has some serious reasons to hate them that we should get one as a squadmate.  Think of the crazy dialogue between this guy and a colonist/ruthless Shepard:

Shep: "Don't act like you're my friend.  I know what your kind did on Midnoir!  Hundreds of innocent people--my whole damn family--"

Batarian: "And I know what you did on Torfan!  Hell, with your reputation, you think I'd be stupid enough to stab you in the back?"

Shep: "I thought stabbing people in the back was a way of life for you ugly bastards."

Batarain: "Funny.  I could almost say the same about humans."

[Renegade interrupt: Punch batarian in face]

*Batarian hits floor, hand over his bloody nose*

Shep: "I don't give a damn about what you think of humans.  You're on my ship because I was nice enough to show you mercy.  Don't make me change my mind."

*Shepard storms out*

[Alternatively, interrupt not taken]

Batarian: "... Look.  I don't like you any more than you like me, but you're the only person in this whole damn galaxy who's willing to get off his ass and fight for what's important.  Either I work with you, or I do nothing and watch it all go to hell.  Your species isn't the only one on the brink of annihilation, Shepard.  We all are.  I'm not gonna let my people die just because the Hegemony's too stupid to take action themselves."

Shep: "So you're just in this for your own kind?"

Batarian: "Aren't you in it to save the humans?"

Shep: "At least humanity's worth saving."

Batarian: "I know a lot of people who would disagree with you."

Shep: "Whatever.  I'm wasting time talking to you."

*Shepard leaves*

(Also, lol @ the "zoo" comment.  It's funny when people are racist about races that don't actually exist.)

   
 
 Oh and this, oh god this.

[curly haired boy]

mrsph wrote...

I'd romance a batarian.

And don't me that is gross because Shepard can already have sex with a dinosaur.

edit: Also there is a batarian establishing some kind of group to build cultural understanding between species of all races, so yeah, they aren't all evil terrorists out to murder your babies.

he's an exception, raised by humans. let me remind you:

Their full canon name is the Vile Batarians.

"Slavery is an integral part of the batarian caste system, despite being
illegal according to Council law, and it is currently unknown how the
batarians maintained standing on the Citadel for so long with slavery
still actively practiced. The custom is so deeply ingrained in batarian
culture that batarians consider the Council's anti-slavery standing to
be prejudicial.
Rogue batarian slave rings are feared throughout the galaxy, especially
among colonists."

"The batarians
have colonized the world, forcing slaves to work in their mines and
agri-habitats. The labor is hot, endless, and backbreaking, even in the
low-G environment. Every horror story told by slaves elsewhere in the
cluster seems to be topped by one from Logasiri. The most famous is that
of the slaver Silparon, who worked to death 420 slaves over the course
of a galactic standard year and ground up their bodies for compost in
his greenhouses."

Clearly they're a blight on the galaxy. In ME3 I'm sure there will be
myriad ways to eliminate their race. Obviously the easiest is to point
the Reaper fleet in their direction first. But that lacks the personal
touch. I'm a fan of marshalling all of my shepard's forces in a Grand
Purge of the galaxy. We'll start with their homeworld, but we won't end
there. We'll hunt them down until the last of their four-eyed demon
spawn lies gutted on the floor.

Modifié par curly haired boy, 04 décembre 2010 - 07:03 .