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[Liou]

It could certainly lead to some interesting conversations but i would prefer if they limits the number of new party members so there is room for as many of your old party members as possible. And as for the few new members i would like to see in the game, a racist batarian isn't exactly high on my personal wishlist.

[GodWood]

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That, was awesome.

[LPPrince]

Bad King wrote...

wrexfan32hanalei wrote...

the average batarian citizen was hating on us long before the hegemony's self imposed exile. and it's not like we're the only race in disagreement with them, according to cerberus daily news they fought with with the council races quite a bit. we're just the only ones with the balls to really confront them. plus, stereotypes exist for a reason. even Modin says that other races conform to the general traits of their species. krogan are warriors, turians are civil servants, salarians are clever. apparently batarians are just no damn good.

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I see what you attempted to do there.

[Nashiktal]

While the political and social tension caused by a Batarian squad mate could be interesting, I myself am a bit tired of copy-paste human body types.



I want less Asari and Batarian style Alien squad-mates, (they use the human body model.) and more Turian and Salarian style mates. (By that, I mean I don't want more Turians and Salarians per se... I just want more varied aliens.)



I understand the need for the squad mate to be humanoid, I just want them to mix it up a bit. Aesthetic immersion so to speak.

[curly haired boy]

mrsph wrote...

A race of beings that is totally evil all the time is boring and lame. Which is why I'm happy they gave the geth actual charactization outside of "genocidal robots"

i perfectly understand that real people are varied, etc. and you can't judge an entire race by the acts of the few, etc.

that's real life,

ME is fiction.

i play mass effect to do things i couldn't do normally - like completely, utterly hate a group of horrible beings without any guilt whatsoever.  i want a two dimensional race of vile aliens who i don't have to feel sorry for. i want to hate them, their hideous spawn, and their way of life, and i want the freedom to eliminate them as i see fit.

you can't get a good hate anywhere these days. in modern times, everyone's been educated to know that our differences make us stronger, diversity is good, etc. that's all very true, and represents remarkable progress for humanity.

thing is, hate is/was so popular because it's FUN. angry mobs are fun. vilifying your enemies? FUN. so let's at least allow some good old hate in a FICTIONAL video game where it doesn't hurt anyone real.

Modifié par curly haired boy, 05 décembre 2010 - 03:02 .

[AdmiralCheez]

curly haired boy's post, translated: Racisim is really fun, but I'm not allowed to get away with it in real life, so I take it out on videogames.



So there's one nice batarian in the whole damn game, and he happens to be recruitable. Doesn't stop you from hating him. In fact, you could probably just shoot him and walk away before that option even comes up. Thus, your black-and-white fantasy remains intact. Everyone wins.

[Spornicus]

I think a Batarian squadmate would be interesting. The only reason humans hate Batarians is because the ones that get out of Batarian space are bloodthirsty criminals, and their government is cruel and totalitarian. You just don't see the average Batarian. And they probably don't like humans because of all the propaganda. It'd be like hating all Muslims because there are Islamic terrorists or all North Koreans because they have a totalitarian state with no contact with the outside world.



Give batarians a chance. Hell, Garrus had a Batarian squadmate on his little team. He said he was a little crabby, but was a whiz with tech. I think a Batarian who doesn't want to kill Shepard would bring some depth to their race, like Legion did with the Geth.



But I really want to see a Raloi. Even if its not a squadmate, I'd just like to see what they look like. In CDN they said that they have to wear enviro-suits like Quarians, so I might not see what they look like, but hopefully they won't have suits on come ME3.

[Iniuria]

I'm on my 209345794030957th playthrough of ME2, and goddamn the nasty buggers have really grown on me XD I want a batarian squaddie, at the very least for the lulz that would occur.



"Sup guys, guess what, we've got a batarian!!"

"OMGWTFBBQ?!!???!"



At the very least, give the council a conniption fit. That would justify a batarian squaddie for eternity XD

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

curly haired boy wrote...

for once, i want a race of bad guys in a game that i can totally hate, and not worry about them being "humanized" and given facets of redemption.

So I'm guessing you did not enjoy the later seasons of BSG.

Did anyone enjoy the later seasons of BSG?  "Let's give up our technology and go camping!"


Anyway, I don't want a Batarian squadmate if he is going to scream after being shot.

[adam_grif]

The amount of racism I'm seeing in this thread is staggering.

Wow.


"But Shepard's backstory! Batarians did terrible things to him!"

Batarians didn't do terrible things to him / his family / his dog, individuals did, who were Batarian. This is like saying all Russians should be exterminated because Stalin was a pretty bad person. Actually, it's more like saying all HUMANS should be exterminated because Stalin did nasty things.

Batarian culture encourages slavery, but that says nothing about the average Batarian, and there are always exceptions. Are Batarian children evil? Batarian civilians? The kind of generalizing I'm seeing going on here is infanitle. "They're all bad", "They're so ugly" etc.

If they can make a freakin' Geth that people like, I'm sure they can make a lovable Batarian too. I support a Batarian squadmate if only to spite the biggots in this thread.

Modifié par adam_grif, 05 décembre 2010 - 05:07 .

[ObserverStatus]

adam_grif wrote...
If they can make a freakin' Geth that people like, I'm sure they can make a lovable Batarian too. I support a Batarian squadmate if only to spite the biggots in this thread.

haters gonna hate.

[adam_grif]

bobobo878 wrote...

adam_grif wrote...
If they can make a freakin' Geth that people like, I'm sure they can make a lovable Batarian too. I support a Batarian squadmate if only to spite the biggots in this thread.

haters gonna hate.

[TeaCokeProphet]

If I get a batarian squaddie, I expect a vorcha, yahg, blasto, volus, dwarf, elf, and clown.



I don't understand the batarian hate in the thread, but I don't think that sticking squaddies in based on race makes much sense. It leads to poor writing.

[adam_grif]

TeaCokeProphet wrote...

I don't understand the batarian hate in the thread, but I don't think that sticking squaddies in based on race makes much sense. It leads to poor writing.

Come on now. You have Asari, Salarian, Turian, Quarian, Krogan and Geth squadmates. At this point it's like Shepard's gotta catch 'em all.

[AdmiralCheez]

adam_grif wrote...

Come on now. You have Asari, Salarian, Turian, Quarian, Krogan and Geth squadmates. At this point it's like Shepard's gotta catch 'em all.

Garrus used Concussive Shot!  Critical hit!  It's not very effective...  Wild Blue Suns Merc fainted!

[TeaCokeProphet]

adam_grif wrote...
Come on now. You have Asari, Salarian, Turian, Quarian, Krogan and Geth squadmates. At this point it's like Shepard's gotta catch 'em all.

Pulling pokemon into this forces me to agree.

[curly haired boy]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

curly haired boy's post, translated: Racisim is really fun, but I'm not allowed to get away with it in real life, so I take it out on videogames.

i'd say that hate is just as important for an emotionally engaging experience as love. the last thing i want is to have my hatred for the batarians diluted by a "redeeming" squadmate.

actually, i DO want a batarians squadmate. but make him like morinth - still evil, and predictably traitorous. morinth may help your mission, but she's still looking for an opportunity to kill you. if we do get a batarian squadmate, i hope he proves all the negatives spoken about them.

besides, the game tells you over and over that slavery is part of the batarian caste system. it's their culture - the slavers aren't some 'bad apples' on the fringes of society. they're rotten - to the core.

EDIT: a few more thoughts:

racism/prejudice/hatred is wrong in real life because people are amazingly varied. you can't categorize and say "all of group X is Y" because that will never be the case. you have to judge people on an individual basis, by their characters and actions.

fictional groups have no differences unless they're written for them. fictional groups can monolithic in belief, steadfast in their views, and completely homogenous. it's perfectly possible for a fictional group to have no redeeming qualities, no "on the other hand" perspectives, and no reason to sympathize with them. ANY and ALL traits that a group has are written for them. there are no "innate" traits that all fictional groups start out with - this is why building a race in the mass effect universe requires thinking about so many things, from societies to sex to politics to technology.

so far, the writers for mass effect have only written NEGATIVE traits for batarians. they're "vile", slavers, murderers, and so far, these traits extend throughout the batarian species.

so please, let's not act as if they have any similarity with real people. the batarians are a monolithic "bad guy" species that's BUILT for us to hate. don't blame me for indulging.

Modifié par curly haired boy, 05 décembre 2010 - 12:33 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Which is why throwing the curve ball at you is all the more important. Creating a race--an entire race--that exists only to be hated shows pretty shallow writing. It's more fitted for a fantasy environment, where good and evil are clear-cut. In sci-fi, however, a little depth and variation is not only advisable, but expected. Sci-fi is meant to reflect on real life, parodying genuine struggles that exist in society today. Which is why I like it better than fantasy: for the most part, it is more relevant to the real world.



No redeeming qualities, eh? What about the shopkeeper on Omega? What about Clark? What about the guy Garrus worked with?

[Merchant2006]

I want a female hanar squad member but a batarian would be interesting too.

What??? Everyone likes jellyfish romances! Look how far the Japanese have gone with it! Damn you!

Modifié par Merchant2006, 05 décembre 2010 - 08:44 .

[Ahglock]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Which is why throwing the curve ball at you is all the more important. Creating a race--an entire race--that exists only to be hated shows pretty shallow writing. It's more fitted for a fantasy environment, where good and evil are clear-cut. In sci-fi, however, a little depth and variation is not only advisable, but expected. Sci-fi is meant to reflect on real life, parodying genuine struggles that exist in society today. Which is why I like it better than fantasy: for the most part, it is more relevant to the real world.

No redeeming qualities, eh? What about the shopkeeper on Omega? What about Clark? What about the guy Garrus worked with?

A cruve ball only works when you have other pitches to throw now and then.  Creating the stay evil race would be the fast ball so the other curves worked.  Deep emotional content is greatbut the everybody is an indivuidual snowflake crap might be deep the first 1,000 times you see it but it becomes trite and boring fairly quickly.  Every other ME race has had their redeeming moments, let one of them stay evil for the change of pace and to keep it fresh. 

Edit to add.  My issues are not really with an individual batarian being good, but more crap like the geth where all of a sudden most of them are fine, just a small splinter group is evil. 

Modifié par Ahglock, 05 décembre 2010 - 09:01 .

[vehzeel]

I bet there are a lot of resistance groups within batarian space. Give us one of those guys, or an ex-slaver who wants to redeem himself for past actions after realizing the error of his ways, or some such. A little cheesy, I know, but it might just work.

[Busomjack]

I think a Batarian squadmate in Mass Effect 3 is almost a certainty. There models are very humanoid so it would be easy from a gameplay mechanic standpoint for the programmers to implement a Batarian squadmate. It wouldn't be like Volus or Elcor where they're structurally not designed to carry many of the weapons.

[AdmiralCheez]

Ahglock wrote...

A cruve ball only works when you have other pitches to throw now and then.  Creating the stay evil race would be the fast ball so the other curves worked.  Deep emotional content is greatbut the everybody is an indivuidual snowflake crap might be deep the first 1,000 times you see it but it becomes trite and boring fairly quickly.  Every other ME race has had their redeeming moments, let one of them stay evil for the change of pace and to keep it fresh.

I don't know about you, but what I find really boring is when every member of a certain race is just copy-paste and shows no individuality whatsoever.  Mindless goons for me to headshot is one thing, but characters that I'm supposted to interact with is a different matter altogether.  Not making each interactable character at least marginally unique is a horrible cop-out and is pretty damn lazy.

Edit to add.  My issues are not really with an individual batarian being good, but more crap like the geth where all of a sudden most of them are fine, just a small splinter group is evil. 

The geth thing is a trick that only works once, I agree.  I don't expect Bioware to retcon an entire race just to make them more appealing.  I'm looking more for the "one good man" approach, one guy who thinks he can put hating the humans on hold long enough to take care of a certain issue.  As in, you know, the Reapers.  He doesn't have to be a saint.  In fact, he could be an absolute douche.  I'd almost prefer it if he were a douche, actually, because douchey squadmates are more fun.