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[AdmiralCheez]

mrsph wrote...

Shepard needs to have a racially diverse squad for the upcoming Saturday morning cartoon of his adventures. A token batarian is needed.

And then we'll color-code their armor in a stereotypical fashion.  Like Power Rangers.  We already have the girl in pink (Ashley), and Jacob wears mostly black.  All they need to do is put Kasumi in yellow and viola!  Mass Rangers is go!

[Big stupid jellyfish]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
 I'd almost prefer it if he were a douche, actually, because douchey squadmates are more fun.

^ this. Were Wrex or Grunt nice? Was Sten nice? Yet, they are interesting characters and companions.

Yay for batarian squaddie in ME3.

[Skilled Seeker]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
I say give us a rebel, an educated fellow who was forced from his homeland because his political opinions disagreed with with the guys up top.

No thanks, that is an overused cliche. A better idea is a batarian that initially completes agrees with the batarian hegemony but can be persuaded to change depending on how your conversations go and if you put in effort to take him with you on missions.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 05 décembre 2010 - 10:30 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Busomjack wrote...

I think a Batarian squadmate in Mass Effect 3 is almost a certainty. There models are very humanoid so it would be easy from a gameplay mechanic standpoint for the programmers to implement a Batarian squadmate. It wouldn't be like Volus or Elcor where they're structurally not designed to carry many of the weapons.

Biotic God for ME3! He doesn't need weapons, he has a great wind, a great biotic wind!

[AdmiralCheez]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

No thanks, that is an overused cliche. A better idea is a batarian that initially completes agrees with the batarian hegemony but can be persuaded to change depending on how your conversations go and if you put in effort to take him with you on missions.

Mass Effect is already drowning in cliches, but since it pulls them off well I let them get away with it.  However, the exact presentation of the hypothetical squadmate is of little concern to me, so long as it is done well.  Your idea could work as well, but I'd rather have something besides a stereotypical batarian as a possible crewmember.  Then again, he can have a unique personality and still be loyal to the Hegemony.

[Skilled Seeker]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@curly haired boy: You know, humans used to do that slavery thing, too. Us Americans, champions of freedom and equality, only stopped, what, 150 years ago? I'd also like to mention a certain genocidal event that took place roughly 60 years ago, but that'd be breaking Godwin's Law. Not that I have to, really, because humans are STILL F*CKING DOING IT. Darfur! Cambodia! ET F*CKING CETERA!

Really, batarian culture is just a parody of the dark side of humanity. We hate them because we see ourselves in them. However, an individual born into a culture like that isn't evil, just unlucky. In fact, there are several batarians that probably disagree with the Hegemony's current policies, but we never hear about them because A.) they aren't pirates or mercs or anything, so they probably would never leave batarian space and B.) I wouldn't put it past the Hegemony to arrest and execute anyone ballsy enough to oppose them.

Clark is a perfect example of my point. Because he was raised by humans, he was never taught to see other species as inferior, and he was never exposed the the oppressive caste system that governs batarian society. Batarians who were born and raised within their own culture, however, don't see anything wrong with what they're doing because they've been taught to think that way from day one. Besides, the Hegemony is sneaky, and intentionally filters any news that enters or exits batarian space. The common batarian citizen probably knows next to nothing about Midnoir or the attempted attack on Terra Nova.

Bottom line: You hate batarians because the game teaches you to hate batarians, and batarians hate us because they've been taught to hate us. It's something that happens in real life all the time, and therefore don't be surprised when some rockin' batarian badass joins your crew and shows you just how much like us they really are.

Very impressive post. I salute you!

[HopHazzard]

My colonist, war hero Shep says: Only if it's killable.

[FrancisKitt]

Personally I wish Bioware had given us atleast a batarian resistance in ME2 at least, if not in BDTS. He's got a reason for being in both games (tracking Balak onto X47/investigating the human colony disapearances for a slaver collaberation).



On a less serious note, he needs shades.

[curly haired boy]

Legion is pretty much the reason why we won't get a batarian squadmate.

Bioware knew that the geth were initially a species everyone could hate: synthetic, emotionless, merciless, working for the Big Bad, etc.

enter legion, and the geth are suddenly just another player on the galactic stage. that's fine if the writers have another role they want the geth to perform. but they're left with a void where the "oh booooo we hate them" species should be, and that's where the batarians come in.

batarians were conjured up just so we could hate em

[FrancisKitt]

Batarians were in vanilla, non-BDTS ME1 (you just didn't see any). Anyway, we've got the Reapers for the evil alien race, unless you forgot about them

[AdmiralCheez]

@curly haired boy: Really? Because I find them devilishly handsome. Guess Bioware's "must hate batarians" strategy didn't work on me.

[Dengarde]

@Curlyhairedboy: I disagree. The Batarians can be quite likable. The Batarian from Mordins mission proves that there is some variety between Batarian personalities.



If anything, it's the Vorcha that are in the "Everybody hates" role.

[Solgineer]

Despite the racists who've posted before, I would be glad to take in a Batarian squadmate. I do recall some being atleast resonable and I am the kind of person that sees room for a change of heart at any time, especially on the verge of every species in the galaxy's annihilation.

[Iniuria]

mrsph wrote...

Just make it a female and slap some boobs on there.

Problem solved.

Or make it the first gay romanceable option in the Mass Effect series.

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Actually no, let's not have romance be involved with batarians in any way, shape, or form. I like them, but not like that

[Big stupid jellyfish]

On a serious note, there wouldn't be any romance with a batarian; I'd consider myself extremely lucky should I have a batarian squadmate. Still, do you remember the Fornax description?

wiki said...
With a predominance of unisexual asari models the publication also depicts both male and female quarians, drell, batarians, volus, and according to the in-game issue cover, hanar.

That kinda hints at the fact that some humans (even if xenophiliac ones) find batarians sexually attractive along with drell and asari.

Modifié par Big stupid jellyfish, 06 décembre 2010 - 03:48 .

[Big stupid jellyfish]

oops, double post

Modifié par Big stupid jellyfish, 06 décembre 2010 - 03:48 .

[GodWood]

HopHazzard wrote...
My colonist, war hero Shep says: Only if it's killable.

That logic is so flawed!
It'd be like saying 'My family was killed by someone who was white, now I want to kill everyone who is white'.

Use your head!

[wrexfan32hanalei]

hang out with a combat vet and ask him how he feels about vietnamese people or an Iraq war vet how he feels about muslims. 90% of the time you'll get a hateful angry resonse. it's not entirely reasonable for them to hang unto these feelings but many of them do. and these are fellow human beings we're talking about. Just about all of our interractions with batarians during our first generation on the galactic stage were very very negative. I think it's less logical to suddenly have a love-fest going on with them.

[AdmiralCheez]

wrexfan32hanalei wrote...

hang out with a combat vet and ask him how he feels about vietnamese people or an Iraq war vet how he feels about muslims. 90% of the time you'll get a hateful angry resonse. it's not entirely reasonable for them to hang unto these feelings but many of them do. and these are fellow human beings we're talking about. Just about all of our interractions with batarians during our first generation on the galactic stage were very very negative. I think it's less logical to suddenly have a love-fest going on with them.

So... we're not allowed to have a batarian squadmate because your Shepard has post-traumatic stress?

[massive_effect]

No. The Batarians aren't very charismatic. Their design is uninspired when compared to Salarians, Turians, Quarians, or Krogan.

Batarians and Vorcha seem like after thoughts, or filler.

[AdmiralCheez]

massive_effect wrote...

No. The Batarians aren't very charismatic. Their design is uninspired when compared to Salarians, Turians, Quarians, or Krogan.

Batarians and Vorcha seem like after thoughts, or filler.

You know whose design was really uninspired?

The asari.

[turian councilor Knockout]

If Shepard gets a batarian squdmate in ME 3 then my colonist Shepard will flash his biotics and throw him out of the airlock before he even know what hits him (Shepards biotic throw is restricted to batarians).

Modifié par turian councilor Knockout, 06 décembre 2010 - 08:40 .