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[Phaedon]

You are welcome.

[Zulu_DFA]

Phaedon wrote...

Personally, I am surprised that Blizzard is being supported, even though they didn't implement anything completely new.

Thety are supported because of that. They don't throw good stuff away. They refine it, bring it up-to-date and expand. Something BioWare totally failed to do with ME2.

[tj987654321]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

bohica01 wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I hate to say, but the more I look at the comments, the more disgusted I am, and the more likely our "demise" seems to be. I guess it's enough that we voted and showed some support, though, isn't it? After all, this contest is just flawed. Games like Starcraft shouldn't even be there.

?? Starcraft is awesome...

I know it is, but given the huge fanbase and all that, it seems out of place to include it with today's games in such a contest. That and seeing as how it's a PC strategy and the majority, if not all, of the games in question are multiplatform titles.

Shouldn't ME2's availablility on the X-Box be SC2's disadvantage?

But StarCraft is better, because: it will sale in of millions of copies long after the Mass Effect series is forgotten.

That said, I think ME2 might actually win this poll... With the PS3 release coming EA needs it.

Did everyone forget about the original KoTOR? NOT! The series is getting their own MMORPG, due to the overwhelming success of the first one. (It definitely wasn't because of the ending of KoTOR 2; that sucked!)

[Phaedon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Personally, I am surprised that Blizzard is being supported, even though they didn't implement anything completely new.

Thety are supported because of that. They don't throw good stuff away. They refine it, bring it up-to-date and expand. Something BioWare totally failed to do with ME2.

It's a good thing for Bioware that critics and fans disagree with your opinion. 

[Zulu_DFA]

Phaedon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Personally, I am surprised that Blizzard is being supported, even though they didn't implement anything completely new.

Thety are supported because of that. They don't throw good stuff away. They refine it, bring it up-to-date and expand. Something BioWare totally failed to do with ME2.

It's a good thing for Bioware that critics and fans disagree with your opinion. 

It's a good thing for Blizzard, that even more fans disagree with your and the critics' opinion.

[Phaedon]

Fans of the original Mass Effect ?



Wrong.

[Seival]

It's a good thing for Blizzard, that even more fans disagree with your and the critics' opinion.

Blizzards are loosing their fans becouse Blizzards do not listen to fans' opinions. Here is my story...

Warcraft-2, Starcraft, Warcraft-3, World of Warcraft: I was Blizzard fan.
World of Warcraft - BC: I began to doubt.
World of Warcraft - WotLK, World of Warcraft - Cata, Starcraft-2: Blizzard have lost my loyalty.


So I hope BioWare will never repeat Blizzard's mistakes.

Modifié par Seival, 09 décembre 2010 - 04:39 .

[rabbitchannel]

I registered just to vote! Also, Brotherhood beat Black Ops. Wow. I thought the COD fanboys would overrun them for sure.

[A2N2T]

Seival wrote...

It's a good thing for Blizzard, that even more fans disagree with your and the critics' opinion.

Blizzards are loosing their fans becouse Blizzards do not listen to fans' opinions. Here is my story...

Warcraft-2, Starcraft, Warcraft-3, World of Warcraft: I was Blizzard fan.
World of Warcraft - BC: I began to doubt.
World of Warcraft - WotLK, World of Warcraft - Cata, Starcraft-2: Blizzard have lost my loyalty.


So I hope BioWare will never repeat Blizzard's mistakes.

Well, it's a good that Bioware does listen to its fans.

[AudioCGlive]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Personally, I am surprised that Blizzard is being supported, even though they didn't implement anything completely new.

Thety are supported because of that. They don't throw good stuff away. They refine it, bring it up-to-date and expand. Something BioWare totally failed to do with ME2.

If by "supported" you mean "constant ****ing and whining over the complete and total lack of basic features in Bnet 2.0", and "constant balance QQ all day long", then sure, yeah, your right. Sorry to tell ya, but SC2's community is a CONSTANT drone of anger and hatred towards Blizzard and each other, seriously, its PAINFUL.

For referance, please see Starcraft 2's very own forum.

"Up to date"? Bnet has DOWNGRADED its functionality in almost every single way since the launch of SC2, this is the MASS opinion of SC2's own fanbase.

PS, how are those super high tech "chat channels" coming along Blizzard? It takes over a year to implement?

Modifié par AudioCGlive, 09 décembre 2010 - 05:50 .

[Phaedon]

And yet, they vote and buy their games. Not that our forums are any better.

[Zulu_DFA]

Seival wrote...

It's a good thing for Blizzard, that even more fans disagree with your and the critics' opinion.

Blizzards are loosing their fans becouse Blizzards do not listen to fans' opinions. Here is my story...

Warcraft-2, Starcraft, Warcraft-3, World of Warcraft: I was Blizzard fan.
World of Warcraft - BC: I began to doubt.
World of Warcraft - WotLK, World of Warcraft - Cata, Starcraft-2: Blizzard have lost my loyalty.

So I hope BioWare will never repeat Blizzard's mistakes.

WarCraft 2 is my favorite Blizzard game. Of course I don't play it now, but at the time I liked it best of all, even despite it being set in a fantasy universe as opposed to StarCraft's sci-fi. StarCraft was objectively more great then WC2, but I had a personal grudge with the campaign mode. I didn't like everything they did in WC3, and neither do I like everything about SC2, for example the Viking unit just drives me mad, almost half as mad as the Hammerhead in ME2... Never touched WoW. But somehow, when I don't like something about a Blizzard game, I think that it's just me. With ME2, I serioulsy think that the things I don't like there suck, and people who think otherwise suck. So I hope Blizzard will never repeat BioWare's mistakes, namely, listenning to the fans' opinions.

Admittedly, their new EULA policy sucks (courtesy of the South Korean government, I believe -- conspiracies, conspiracies!), and it does affect the EU's experience negatively, but EULA and the game itself are separate things. And I believe they will amend it further on. Not to please the fans, of course, but to maximize their income, so probably even more whining is on the way.

Bottom line though is this: SC2 > ME2 because SC2 requires a bit of a brain to play (not much, but still), while ME2 requires the higher neural functions to be shut down to prevent damage, and has effective built-in means to enforce it, aka planet scanning.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 09 décembre 2010 - 06:51 .

[Phaedon]

Yeah well, most adventure games require more brain than SC2, what's your point ?

[Zulu_DFA]

Phaedon wrote...

Yeah well, most adventure games require more brain than SC2, what's your point ?

Well, some adventure games are better than SC2 in this department.

My point is that with everything else roughly at par (still think that most things are better in SC2) the game which takes brain wins.

My point also is that there are games that seem like a chimpanzee vorcha can learn how to play. ME2 definilely looks like one of the kind. SC2 doesn't.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 09 décembre 2010 - 07:46 .

[InvaderErl]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Personally, I am surprised that Blizzard is being supported, even though they didn't implement anything completely new.

Thety are supported because of that. They don't throw good stuff away. They refine it, bring it up-to-date and expand. Something BioWare totally failed to do with ME2.

If you were to read up how fans talk about Blizzard on the StarCraft 2 forums you'd find a very different story.

Sort of like this place.

Sort of like any dev forum ever.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 09 décembre 2010 - 07:46 .

[Seival]

So I hope Blizzard will never repeat BioWare's mistakes, namely, listenning to the fans' opinions.

Listening to the fans does not mean making something stupid. Developer should make its games better and better. This can't be done without proper feedback (wich always includes criticism). Listening only to positive feedback leads to stagnation. BioWare never stagnated. Each new game was better then previous ones only becouse BioWare always listened to criticism.

But only thing Blizzards are doing last couple of years is: "Well... that game was good. Some fans are happy. Lets improve it a little and release a remake... its too risky to make something innovative and fresh" or "Who cares about the lore? We just need the easiest way to balance PvP and PvE... so lets just make bloodelf paladins and draenei shamans". And so on... What a shame.

Bottom line though is this: SC2 > ME2 because SC2 requires a bit of a brain to play (not much, but still), while ME2 requires the higher neural functions to be shut down to prevent damage, and has effective built-in means to enforce it, aka planet scanning.

Shooters train reflexes, ability to aim and use cover. Strategies train micromanagement and multitasking. It does not mean strategy requires more skill then shooter. It just require different skill.

[Zulu_DFA]

InvaderErl wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Personally, I am surprised that Blizzard is being supported, even though they didn't implement anything completely new.

Thety are supported because of that. They don't throw good stuff away. They refine it, bring it up-to-date and expand. Something BioWare totally failed to do with ME2.

If you were to read up how fans talk about Blizzard on the StarCraft 2 forums you'd find a very different story.

Sort of like this place.

Sort of like any dev forum ever.

Ignorance is bliss. I kinda envy those happy ignorant SC2 fans, who don't know that the Mako is and what replaced it in ME2. So they can happlily hate Blizzard for witholding the drop pods and bayonets from the final SC2 build.

[dfjarrett]

*sigh* Don't feed the trolls...

[InvaderErl]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ignorance is bliss. I kinda envy those happy ignorant SC2 fans, who don't know that the Mako is and what replaced it in ME2. So they can happlily hate Blizzard for witholding the drop pods and bayonets from the final SC2 build.

You think you guys rage about things being changed in the sequel? The Zerg player's rage dwarfs the grumblings I've seen on this forum, honestly.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 09 décembre 2010 - 07:59 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Seival wrote...
Listening to the fans does not mean making something stupid. Developer should make its games better and better. This can't be done without proper feedback (wich always includes criticism). Listening only to positive feedback leads to stagnation. BioWare never stagnated. Each new game was better then previous ones only becouse BioWare always listened to criticism.

But only thing Blizzards are doing last couple of years is: "Well... that game was good. Some fans are happy. Lets improve it a little and release a remake... its too risky to make something innovative and fresh" or "Who cares about the lore? We just need the easiest way to balance PvP and PvE... so lets just make bloodelf paladins and draenei shamans". And so on... What a shame.

Two words:

Beta & testing.

Seival wrote...
Shooters train reflexes, ability to aim and use cover. Strategies train micromanagement and multitasking. It does not mean strategy requires more skill then shooter. It just require different skill.

Actually, SC2 trains reflexes more than anything else, just like any your shooter...

And I'd say Half-Life 2 is better than SC2. Hell, even Portal was better, than the SC2's Protoss mini-campaign.

And ME2 trained my modding skills most of all, even though it wasn't the devs' intent.

[Zulu_DFA]

InvaderErl wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ignorance is bliss. I kinda envy those happy ignorant SC2 fans, who don't know that the Mako is and what replaced it in ME2. So they can happlily hate Blizzard for witholding the drop pods and bayonets from the final SC2 build.

You think you guys rage about things being changed in the sequel? The Zerg player's rage dwarfs the grumblings I've seen on this forum, honestly.

All f*cking Zerg must f*cking burn. Because I love the smell or roasted Zerglings in the morning.

[InvaderErl]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Seival wrote...
Listening to the fans does not mean making something stupid. Developer should make its games better and better. This can't be done without proper feedback (wich always includes criticism). Listening only to positive feedback leads to stagnation. BioWare never stagnated. Each new game was better then previous ones only becouse BioWare always listened to criticism.

But only thing Blizzards are doing last couple of years is: "Well... that game was good. Some fans are happy. Lets improve it a little and release a remake... its too risky to make something innovative and fresh" or "Who cares about the lore? We just need the easiest way to balance PvP and PvE... so lets just make bloodelf paladins and draenei shamans". And so on... What a shame.

Two words:

Beta & testing

What about it? Blizzard DID have beta testing for SC2 and it led to a massive imbalance in the favor of Terrans and I say that as a Terran player.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 09 décembre 2010 - 08:02 .

[Zulu_DFA]

InvaderErl wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Seival wrote...
Listening to the fans does not mean making something stupid. Developer should make its games better and better. This can't be done without proper feedback (wich always includes criticism). Listening only to positive feedback leads to stagnation. BioWare never stagnated. Each new game was better then previous ones only becouse BioWare always listened to criticism.

But only thing Blizzards are doing last couple of years is: "Well... that game was good. Some fans are happy. Lets improve it a little and release a remake... its too risky to make something innovative and fresh" or "Who cares about the lore? We just need the easiest way to balance PvP and PvE... so lets just make bloodelf paladins and draenei shamans". And so on... What a shame.

Two words:

Beta & testing

What about it? Blizzard DID have beta testing for SC2 and it led to a massive imbalance in the favor of Terrans and I say that as a Terran player.

So what's the problem? Play Terran vs. Terran for massive win! Play Zerg or Protoss for more challenge.

Also, Terrans rule!

[Phaedon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Well, some adventure games are better that SC2 in this department.

My point is that with everything else roughly at par (still think that most things are better in SC2) the game which takes brain wins.

My point also is that there are games that seem like a chimpanzee vorcha can learn how to play. ME2 definilely looks like it. SC2 doesn't.

SC2 roughly at par ? I am sorry but no. That's your opinion. 

The only part that SC2 could compete with ME2 (imo) is the gameplay, and since Blizzard has introduced nothing new, I say no. If you think that playing ME2 takes no skill, then you haven't been playing a lot of games lately.

Let's imagine that ME2 is a pointless shooter that requires no skill. Why would I vote for SC2 when I could be playing Benoit Sokal's games ? There is no comparison.

Modifié par Phaedon, 09 décembre 2010 - 08:36 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

dfjarrett wrote...

*sigh* Don't feed the trolls...

Here or anywhere.

Lest we forget--games are for fun   Not rage, FUN.  If you're having fun playing a game, yay.  Regardless of what other people's opinions of the game, you're doing something right.  If you're not having fun with a game, something is wrong.  Stop playing the bloody game and move on to another.  For, ya know, fun.  That goes for SC2, ME2, Kirby's Epic Yarn (so adorable), or any other game out there.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 09 décembre 2010 - 08:55 .