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[Zulu_DFA]

Phaedon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Well, some adventure games are better that SC2 in this department.

My point is that with everything else roughly at par (still think that most things are better in SC2) the game which takes brain wins.

My point also is that there are games that seem like a chimpanzee vorcha can learn how to play. ME2 definilely looks like it. SC2 doesn't.

SC2 roughly at par ? I am sorry but no. That's your opinion. 

The only part that SC2 could compete with ME2 (imo) is the gameplay, and since Blizzard has introduced nothing new, I say no. If you think that playing ME2 takes no skill, then you haven't been playing a lot of games lately.

Let's imagine that ME2 is a pointless shooter that requires no skill. Why would I vote for SC2 when I could be playing Benoit Sokal's games ? There is no comparison.

I could respond with how the graphics in SC2 is better, how the sound is better, how the cutscenes are better, and even how the writing is better (not just the story, but the genre consistency, the dialogue, the humor)...

But there is something of ultimate coolness in SC2, which ME2 100% lacks....

Have you though I'm about to say "multiplayer"?

Lol, no!


WORLD EDITOR.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

dfjarrett wrote...

*sigh* Don't feed the trolls...

Here or anywhere.

Lest we forget--games are for fun   Not rage, FUN.  If you're having fun playing a game, yay.  Regardless of what other people's opinions of the game, you're doing something right.  If you're not having fun with a game, something is wrong.  Stop playing the bloody game and move on to another.  For, ya know, fun.  That goes for SC2, ME2, Kirby's Epic Yarn (so adorable), or any other game out there.

Well said Sable! Personally, I have played my share of Blizzard and Bioware games. I loved Warcraft 2, I played it for hours at a time back in the day. It was simple, yet fully enjoyable. And Warcraft 3 was good, but it just didn't do it for me. Same with Starcraft, I played that loads, I bought SC2 really excited for it, and I played it for a couple of hours before just being too bored with it to pick it up again. In my personal opinion, Blizzard have gone down, whereas Bioware have consistently been rocking, ever since Baldurs Gate.
And Kirby - lol!  Just cuz this smiley looks like a yellow version of Kirby!

[Arbiter156]

if SC2 wins i will implode, then explode and take out all of creation

[nat11]

vote vote vote

[valleyman88]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
 and even how the writing is better (not just the story, but the genre consistency, the dialogue, the humor)...

The starcraft 2 story was a joke. A sad joke because the campaign of the original was phenomenal.

What they did to Kerrigan and Raynor is inexcusable.

[Phaedon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
I could respond with how the 1)graphics in SC2 is better, how the sound is better, how the cutscenes are better, and even how the writing is better (not just the story, but the genre consistency, the dialogue, the humor)...

But there is something of ultimate coolness in SC2, which ME2 100% lacks....

Have you though I'm about to say "multiplayer"?

Lol, no!


WORLD EDITOR.

1)No
2)The musical score ? I disagree
3)Oh yeah, the cutscene that you posted around the BSN was so awesome... *sarcasm* 
4) -100000 Respect Points. SC2's story has some of the worst plot devices I have seen in 2010.
5)Can it wait for a bit ? I am in the middle of using CIv IV's world editor, which with a few mods is easily the best one out there.

[aeetos21]

Said it once I'll say it again because players keep overlooking it. One of the biggest draws - if not the biggest - of the Mass Effect franchise is that YOU (not some cut and paste hero the designers came up with) are the hero of the story. Its your choice of face, your choice of build, and more importantly your choice of how you interact with others as well as how the game will turn out. Multiplayer will take that away when you go from fighting as Shepard to fighting with other Shepards or what have you. If multiplayer is to be implemented successfully then you would need a separate class system and probably nobody gets to be Shepard but rather more minor characters.



Just how no one gets to be Soap or Price when they go multiplayer in the Modern Warfare franchise.

[Seival]

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[Zulu_DFA]

valleyman88 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
 and even how the writing is better (not just the story, but the genre consistency, the dialogue, the humor)...

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

The starcraft 2 story was a joke. A sad joke because the campaign of the original was phenomenal.

What they did to Kerrigan and Raynor is inexcusable.

What Raynor did to Tychus was inexcusable.

And even though the story of SC2 lacked certain epicness, it also lacked such epic fails as "all crew on shuttle" and "kill all remaining colonists on base".

Kerrigan dezergified? Who says it can't be done with and ancient alien dezergification device?

And I repeat, the genre (space western) consistency is maintained from start to finish, the dialogues are simply better and the humor is simply better, and a lot more seemless.

Phaedon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

WORLD EDITOR

I am in the middle of using CIv IV's world editor, which with a few mods is easily the best one out there.

And what does CIV have to do with it? I was hoping you'll be the first to tell me what kind of tool kit comes with ME2?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 10 décembre 2010 - 03:55 .

[SFF19]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

valleyman88 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
 and even how the writing is better (not just the story, but the genre consistency, the dialogue, the humor)...

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

The starcraft 2 story was a joke. A sad joke because the campaign of the original was phenomenal.

What they did to Kerrigan and Raynor is inexcusable.

What Raynor did to Tychus was inexcusable.

Yeah, how dare he kill a traitor in self defense.

[Seival]

Toolset available for gamers is not what make the game good. Its just a pleasant addition. But have nothing to say against SC2 Editor it is very good. Tried it myself.


And...

Seival wrote...

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[CrypticZer0]

People should vote with the intention of voting for what the game does best.

Mass Effect 2 is an excellent single player storytelling experience where interactions with unique characters come to life. Starcraft 2 shines at being an excellent and competitive RTS experience.

Why would I say this? Because I have no problems with either games as I play both regularly. People trying to demean one game over the other is just ridiculous IMO.  Personally I voted for Mass Effect 2, but that's not because I compared the two single player stories together, one which Starcraft 2 really is not about, but because I simply like Mass Effect more.

Modifié par CrypticZer0, 10 décembre 2010 - 04:24 .

[CrypticZer0]

AudioCGlive wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Personally, I am surprised that Blizzard is being supported, even though they didn't implement anything completely new.

Thety are supported because of that. They don't throw good stuff away. They refine it, bring it up-to-date and expand. Something BioWare totally failed to do with ME2.

If by "supported" you mean "constant ****ing and whining over the complete and total lack of basic features in Bnet 2.0", and "constant balance QQ all day long", then sure, yeah, your right. Sorry to tell ya, but SC2's community is a CONSTANT drone of anger and hatred towards Blizzard and each other, seriously, its PAINFUL.

For referance, please see Starcraft 2's very own forum.

"Up to date"? Bnet has DOWNGRADED its functionality in almost every single way since the launch of SC2, this is the MASS opinion of SC2's own fanbase.

PS, how are those super high tech "chat channels" coming along Blizzard? It takes over a year to implement?

Starcraft 2 is all about constant balancing, if it wasn't it wouldn't be an actual sport in South Korea and a ton of other competitive venues.  You need constant balancing to keep things competitive in an RTS game.

The posts you see on the Starcraft 2 forums are mostly filled by people who would rather whine about why they lost a game and instantly blame it on this or that being "overpowered" or "imbalanced" instead of looking at their own mistakes and faults as to why they lost that game.

That's the difference between those people and the actual majority of the community that Starcraft 2 has in which if you watch this simple commentary, www.justin.tv/tpfour/b/275447644, from the latest rounds of the GSL tournament in South Korea is what Starcraft is all about.

Say what you want about that being "too serious" to take a game, but Starcraft 2 in the end is a competitive arena that the original Starcraft was as well.

Modifié par CrypticZer0, 10 décembre 2010 - 04:37 .

[Zulu_DFA]

SFF19 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

valleyman88 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
 and even how the writing is better (not just the story, but the genre consistency, the dialogue, the humor)...

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

The starcraft 2 story was a joke. A sad joke because the campaign of the original was phenomenal.

What they did to Kerrigan and Raynor is inexcusable.

What Raynor did to Tychus was inexcusable.

Yeah, how dare he kill a traitor in self defense.

*Facepalm*

And people complain about the story of SC2... Seems it is too good. Some can't even undesrand whats's going on there.

[Johnsen1972]

Im going to make a Shepard vs Huskysters ingame video (where he basically kills 100 husks) to celebrate this  if we win this .... Im still hoping! 2 hours to go

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 10 décembre 2010 - 05:56 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Im going to make a Shepard vs Huskysters ingame video (where he basically kills 100 husks) to celebrate this  if we win this .... Im still hoping! 2 hours to go

LOL! That would be AWESOME! 

[AudioCGlive]

CrypticZer0 wrote...

AudioCGlive wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

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Starcraft 2 is all about constant balancing, if it wasn't it wouldn't be an actual sport in South Korea and a ton of other competitive venues.  You need constant balancing to keep things competitive in an RTS game.

The posts you see on the Starcraft 2 forums are mostly filled by people who would rather whine about why they lost a game and instantly blame it on this or that being "overpowered" or "imbalanced" instead of looking at their own mistakes and faults as to why they lost that game.

That's the difference between those people and the actual majority of the community that Starcraft 2 has in which if you watch this simple commentary, www.justin.tv/tpfour/b/275447644, from the latest rounds of the GSL tournament in South Korea is what Starcraft is all about.

Say what you want about that being "too serious" to take a game, but Starcraft 2 in the end is a competitive arena that the original Starcraft was as well.

Dont get me wrong, I get the constant balancing, I played SC1/BW for several years, and saw the many evolutions in the Meta Game. I still play SC2 to this day, not digging the mega macro sim city factor that much anymore though, gets boring real quick. (and I am a Blizzard fan, dont mistake me for a random "hater" I own every Blizzard game ever made, ditto goes for Bioware.)

But I swear to god, all these SC fanboys touting the fact that SC2 is an "eSport" as the primary basis for why it should be game of the year is utterly retarded.

Case in point:

Halo has been part of the "eSport" scene since its inception, same goes for Counter Strike, and quite frankly, there are MORE players, in MORE regions for those titles, same goes for COD, Street Fighter (actually, SF games have a VERY long history of eSport success in MANY regions).

Are any of those titles many of which had a version come out this very year worthy of GOTY just based off thier MORE successful eSport status? (as based off number of total players, and supported regions, international tournaments, etc.)

Yeah, I didnt think so......

The massively retconned story in SC2 is a very, VERY sore point amongst the SC2 community, has been since day 1. The fact that the SP did not live up to the classic SC/BW story line is common place conversation on startcraft2.com, plain as day.

Yes, SC2 is a good game, but Blizzard stumbled in several areas, Bnet functionality, no LAN support, the Single player, etc. I would honestly agree with SC2 taking GOTY if the Single player was up to the standard we all expect from Blizzard, but it wasnt, and if Bnet 2.0 was actually an improvement instead of lacking many, MANY features.

Just being an eSport in Korea doesnt make for GOTY, sorry. (yes I get that there are tourneys in other regions as well, including NA, but it doesnt even hold a candle to the other aforementioned eSport games)

Modifié par AudioCGlive, 10 décembre 2010 - 06:27 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

CrypticZer0 wrote...

People should vote with the intention of voting for what the game does best.

Mass Effect 2 is an excellent single player storytelling experience where interactions with unique characters come to life. Starcraft 2 shines at being an excellent and competitive RTS experience.

Why would I say this? Because I have no problems with either games as I play both regularly. People trying to demean one game over the other is just ridiculous IMO.  Personally I voted for Mass Effect 2, but that's not because I compared the two single player stories together, one which Starcraft 2 really is not about, but because I simply like Mass Effect more.

Thank you for being sensible.  I would give you cookies, but since I can't do that via the internet, have a picture of a very cute puppy instead.

[szkasypcze]

I'm the first. WHO WON??

[Remus Artega]

Halo reach

[Johnsen1972]

It ENDED, winner will be revealed at 12/14 6pm E.T at Xplays Best Of The Year show.

[Johnsen1972]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

AHHHHHHHHHHHH A PUPPY!!!


Burn it! Burn it with fire!!!


lol just kidding

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 10 décembre 2010 - 08:30 .

[tj987654321]

We won't know who won tonight.



It will be on G4TV on December 14.

[golak]

i fear SC2 will win the game of the year award

ME2 is so much better. SC2 is just for MMO players and those that dont know what a good game is

*snif*

[Zephymos]

Shut up with all the comparing. SC2 is an RTS and ME2 is an Action/Adventure RPG. Apples and oranges. Both are great games and should be treated as such.