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[Randy1012]

Nope, I'm all alone! It's just me! I'm unique and special and stuff.

[Loc'n'lol]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

IMO, we need non human female romances as well.

Well, in BG2 & NWN, all female romance options were elven or halfelven

Sharwyn.

[KendallX23]

for me Sigrun was the best companion..and Velanna the one i disliked hte most..talking just about the women here...so the human companions were somwhere in the decent zone..except for Morrigan who is pretty close to Sigrun...

Me upset Sigrun was not a LI...and hope for a funny female dwarf LI for DA II...

[biomag]

Sigrun and Nathaniel were the two best written characters in Awakening and both were among the best in the whole game. But I think Gaider is doing the right thing: "Don't push races and genders just because". They are writing character that fit the story and that's the most important thing. Not races.

[berelinde]

biomag wrote...

Sigrun and Nathaniel were the two best written characters in Awakening and both were among the best in the whole game. But I think Gaider is doing the right thing: "Don't push races and genders just because". They are writing character that fit the story and that's the most important thing. Not races.

Quoted for truth.

I always felt that the race of an NPC was the absolutely least important aspect of their character. I rank it below stats, and stats are something I consider completely irrelevent. Actually, that isn't quite true. Characters that obsess about their racial identities - yes, Velanna, I'm looking at you - will find themselves stuck in camp at every opportunity.

Zevran was a perfect, in that regard. Yes, he did harbor nostalgia for his Dalish mother, but his interaction with the PC focuses on the present, not his ancestors' glorious, oppression-ridden past. Unlike Velanna, he does not hold the PC personally responsible for every crime humans committed against the Dalish.

[Leonia]

If I recall, Velanna even treats Dalish Wardens with that same sort of contempt that she gives humans and dwarves.

I'd also add Anders to the well-written characters of Awakening though perhaps he wasn't as deep as Sigrun and Nathaniel. I do hope we get to see some of the Awakening characters again (Nathaniel being the most likely) so we can explore them a bit further.

But yeah, please no more Velanna-repeats. My Dalish Warden was crushed when she met her, was really hoping for some bonding to go on between them but there was nothing but that chip on Velanna's shoulder between them.

Sorry, sort of veering off-topic (I still think the human female characters are just coincidence overall) but just felt like re-iterating the disappointment with Velanna. Ariane on the other hand was done quite well and she actually seemed to care about my Dalish Warden and regretted having to go back to the mirror with her somewhat. That little bit of empathy made her seem so much more..realistic.

Modifié par leonia42, 03 décembre 2010 - 12:19 .

[upsettingshorts]

I wouldn't mind a Velanna-esque character with the Rivalry system. In fact, it seems made to accommodate precisely that kind of conflict.

[Leonia]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I wouldn't mind a Velanna-esque character with the Rivalry system. In fact, it seems made to accommodate precisely that kind of conflict.

Oh yeah, she was the queen of rival characters. I'll give her that.

[nightcobra]

leonia42 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I wouldn't mind a Velanna-esque character with the Rivalry system. In fact, it seems made to accommodate precisely that kind of conflict.

Oh yeah, she was the queen of rival characters. I'll give her that.

this is what i thought when i saw her epilogue (the one where she defends a human village without sneering once)

brainwashing procedure....complete:devil:

[Russalka]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Sharwyn.

Sharwyn versus Nathyrra, Aribeth (x2), Viconia, Aerie, Jaheira.

[AlexXIV]

Velanna would not have been such a bad character if she was done better. Maybe by DG. What bothered me most was that she acted child-like at times when she was supposed to be ... in her 30ies? at least. I find it a bit unfair to judge a whole category of characters by one badly done. I think the basic concept of a Velanna character wasn't bad. Reminded me a bit of Viconia de Vir.

[Matchy Pointy]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

IMO, we need non human female romances as well.

Well, in BG2 & NWN, all female romance options were elven or halfelven

Sharwyn.

Sharwyn wasn't an official romance option, she was more of a flirt, I seem to remember seeing someone from Bioware sayin that Aribeth was the romance there (as much as you had a romance in the original).

[Apollo Starflare]

I didn't mind Velanna but she certainly didn't compare to Sigrun who was one of the best companion characters in Origins.



I do hope to see either a female Dwarf or Elf companion in DA2 though. Really hoping the next Mage companion isn't female just because Bethany is your sister as well.

[Ziggeh]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I would support an all-human fantasy word... I've just never been a fan of elves or dwarves in general. It's possible to raise the same issues as the ones faced by the Dalish elves, city elves, or even the dwarves in DA:O without making them different subspecies or something. Use the extra character models to introduce more varied heights and builds.

But I admit I'm probably in the minority here. I'll also admit there's little consistency in my preference as I don't mind aliens in science fiction. It's probably purely aesthetics driving my opinion.

Funnily, I dislike aliens in science fiction (it's the rare show that doesn't have them) yet never seemed to mind sentient fantasy species. I'm not sure why, they're usually subject to the same clumsy stereotyping.

[Matchy Pointy]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I would support an all-human fantasy word... I've just never been a fan of elves or dwarves in general. It's possible to raise the same issues as the ones faced by the Dalish elves, city elves, or even the dwarves in DA:O without making them different subspecies or something. Use the extra character models to introduce more varied heights and builds.

But I admit I'm probably in the minority here. I'll also admit there's little consistency in my preference as I don't mind aliens in science fiction. It's probably purely aesthetics driving my opinion.

But, dwarves have epic beards! How can you not like that .

[ScotGaymer]

I dont really think its accurate to say "always" because theres only been one game in the Dragon Age universe released thus far, and 3 DLC with companions (TBH classing Awakening as an expansion was a bit of false advertising as it didnt really have the depth and length of a proper expansion) and the second game in development.

I really wish people would stop butchering the English language. Use it properly people!

Always would be accurate if we were on Dragon Age 3 or 4 and there had only ever really been Human Female Companions (aside from Sigrun and Velanna). Then you could say "always" get away with it.
But when you consider there have only been 12 female companions in the Dragon Age Universe thus far (including DLCs, Journeys, DA2, Awakening, and DAO) and FOUR of those are NON-HUMAN you cant really accurately say "Why are they always human?" when its clearly demonstrated that one third or 33% of the female companions are not human thus far.

And when you consider that humans are the most populous of the races of Thedas a 1/3 ratio is about right.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 03 décembre 2010 - 01:33 .

[biomag]

AlexXIV wrote...

Velanna would not have been such a bad character if she was done better. Maybe by DG. What bothered me most was that she acted child-like at times when she was supposed to be ... in her 30ies? at least. I find it a bit unfair to judge a whole category of characters by one badly done. I think the basic concept of a Velanna character wasn't bad. Reminded me a bit of Viconia de Vir.

Viconia had the room and space to show more depth. I must admit I was very surpised at my second playthrough to discover that Velanna might stay with the Warden... I didn't find out what I did different, but I had 2 companions with different epilogues. Velanna staying with the Warden showed me a little more depth to her than what I experienced the first time... in other words, she can be different than just the angry b!tch.


I agree that the new rivalry system may favor such characters. Its going to be interesting. Alpha Protocoll had it similar, but I played it too much as a manipulating a**hole spy to experience real hate. I for sure will be more open towards animosity with DA-background.

Modifié par biomag, 03 décembre 2010 - 01:34 .

[upsettingshorts]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Funnily, I dislike aliens in science fiction (it's the rare show that doesn't have them) yet never seemed to mind sentient fantasy species. I'm not sure why, they're usually subject to the same clumsy stereotyping.

I didn't want to burden my point with nuance, but I think most aliens in science fiction are kind of irritating.  I left them out in this case because the aliens in Mass Effect are very well done.  Planet of hats subverted and all that.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 décembre 2010 - 01:41 .

[Ziggeh]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I didn't want to burden my point with nuance, but I think most aliens in science fiction are kind of irritating.  I left them out in this case because the aliens in Mass Effect are very well done.  Planet of hats subverted and all that.

They fell into a few trope traps though. DA:O does too, but most of the dwarf/elf common traits can be explained by their social sitations rather than it being a racial thing. Plus, not all of the dwarves have beards.

Modifié par ziggehunderslash, 03 décembre 2010 - 01:46 .

[Matchy Pointy]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I didn't want to burden my point with nuance, but I think most aliens in science fiction are kind of irritating.  I left them out in this case because the aliens in Mass Effect are very well done.  Planet of hats subverted and all that.

They fell into a few trope traps though. DA:O does too, but most of the dwarf/elf common traits can be explained by their social sitations rather than it being a racial thing. Plus, not all of the dwarves have beards.

A dwarf without a beard is not worthy of being called a dwarf .

[Ulicus]

AlexXIV wrote...

Velanna would not have been such a bad character if she was done better. Maybe by DG. What bothered me most was that she acted child-like at times when she was supposed to be ... in her 30ies? at least. I find it a bit unfair to judge a whole category of characters by one badly done. I think the basic concept of a Velanna character wasn't bad. Reminded me a bit of Viconia de Vir.

That isn't entirely surprising, since they were both voiced by Grey DeLisle.

I thought they were both written by Gaider, too, but I may be mistaken on that front.

Either way, I rather liked Velanna. I rather liked all Awakening in general, really. Which was a pleasant surprise, having been exposed to the not-overly-positive reactions on these forums before I started playing. My only gripe is Varel doing the Joining. Grrr  @ Varel. /tangent

Modifié par Ulicus, 03 décembre 2010 - 01:54 .

[Maria Caliban]

Johnny Chaos wrote...

forrealz? Leliana, Morrigan, Wynne, Bethany, Aveline, and Isabela are all humans.  I liked the Witch Hunt DLC just for the fact we got a enjoyable female dalish elf in our group, i actually cared less about Morrigan.

BW seems more diverse with Males, Zevran, now this mystery elf and Varric.  Is it just a coincidence or does BW feel humans fit their female characters.

I guess Mass Effect, Knights of the Old Republic, and Buldar's Gate don't count.

Or Awakenings.

[Matchy Pointy]

Ulicus wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Velanna would not have been such a bad character if she was done better. Maybe by DG. What bothered me most was that she acted child-like at times when she was supposed to be ... in her 30ies? at least. I find it a bit unfair to judge a whole category of characters by one badly done. I think the basic concept of a Velanna character wasn't bad. Reminded me a bit of Viconia de Vir.

That isn't entirely surprising, since they were both voiced by Grey DeLisle.

I thought they were both written by Gaider, too, but I may be mistaken on that front.

Either way, I rather liked Velanna. I rather liked all Awakening in general, really. Which was a pleasant surprise, having been exposed to the not-overly-positive reactions on these forums before I started playing. My only gripe is Varel doing the Joining. Grrr  @ Varel. /tangent

My main gripe with awakening is how much it cheapend the joining ceremony, atleast in my view (and that it seems you need to read the books to really get everything out of the main story).

Modifié par Matchy Pointy, 03 décembre 2010 - 02:04 .

[Leonia]

Ulicus wrote...

Either way, I rather liked Velanna. I rather liked all Awakening in general, really. Which was a pleasant surprise, having been exposed to the not-overly-positive reactions on these forums before I started playing. My only gripe is Varel doing the Joining. Grrr  @ Varel. /tangent

Ha, yeah, after the Landsmeet in Origins everyone seems to know about the Joining. Though aside from Varel playing pretend-Warden, he seemed like a really cool dude and hate that he has to die in the game.

Matchy Pointy wrote...

A dwarf without a beard is not worthy of being called a dwarf [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie].

Varric would disagree with you.

Matchy Pointy wrote...

My main gripe with awakening is hos much it cheapend the joining ceremony, atleast in my view (and that it
seems you need to read the books to really get everything out of the main story).

Eh, I don't know. I think having read The Calling, I was really disappointed with how Utha and The Architect turned out in the game. Sure, it gave me more background but overall I felt like the book was better than the expansion pack that was supposed to go with it.

Modifié par leonia42, 03 décembre 2010 - 02:06 .

[Matchy Pointy]

leonia42 wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

A dwarf without a beard is not worthy of being called a dwarf [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie].

Varric would disagree with you.

Well, atleast he have chest-hair, so I might give him a free pass, if I'm able, I will comment his lack of beard as much as I can in-game though .