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[slimgrin]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

If I think about it there's nothing, to me, inherently cool or uncool about a companion's race.

Party pooper.

[Matchy Pointy]

I want a female Nug as a warrior companion myself .

[ErichHartmann]

Personality > companion's race is more important to me.

[Wulfram]

But there are plenty of elves in Kirkwall, right?

[David Gaider]

slimgrin wrote...
But a female elf companion could be so cool. 

A female elf companion could be cool, but like AngryPants says there's nothing inherently cool about a companion's race. If that was where we started a companion's concept (ie. "We need a female elf companion...") and had nothing else to drive the concept beyond that, it'd likely be very lame indeed... and, in fact, that's been my experience for such concepts in the past when we've done just that.

Does that mean we'll never think of a concept that doesn't include a female elf? No, of course not. But as far as I'm concerned if the most unique thing someone can ask for regarding a potential companion is that they be a "female elf" or "female qunari" they're not asking for much more than a pair of boobs attached to a model they think is attractive. Not that inspiring, sorry.

[AlexXIV]

On Velanna:

Didn't know that she was voiced by the same person as Viconia and tbh I don't even remember Viconia's voice. It's been a felt eternity since I last played BG2.

I kinda liked her, just that some of the dialogoes and things disturbed me. And not because of her attitude, but simply because they felt out of place for me. I already dig the crazy **** type. That why liked Viconia, that why I liked Morrigan and also like Velanna despite some shortcommings. I think it is the '2 vs the rest of the world' romantic.

I am almost sure DG didn't write her, at least not entirely. I read it somewhere here on the forums and I plainly I think if he did write her some things would have been diferent.

Last but not least. Yes you can make her not chase her sister but for that you have to make some decisions I rather didn't. You have to break any hope that she can ever find her sister, then Velanna stays but she will hold the Warden's decisions against him. Unless you are talking about an option I have not found yet.

[Maria Caliban]

Fantasy stories with elves and dwarves in them are a minority. You're more likely to find a vampire or werewolf in a fantasy book than a dwarf.

Alternatively, the number of 'all human' fantasy books depends on what you mean?

Do you mean absolutely no intelligent fantasy creatures? Havemercy is a story where humans ride mindlinked biosynthetic dragons they've created.

Do you mean no human variants? The Vampire Earth series is about a group of human infected with a virus that makes them immortal as long as they drink the blood of other humans. They then assume control of the earth and turn regular humans into masses of uneducated cattle.

World War Z is about another virus that turns people into zombies and creates a global pandemic.

Do you mean nothing that appears to be human? The Sharing Knife has animals forced into human form by the Blight and forced to do its bidding.

What about monstrous creatures? Is the story of human fighting a demon all-human? What about a wizard who can rip off his tattoos to create intelligent, animated creations that exist for a day until they vanish and become tattoos again? What about familiars like in the Golden Compass? That also has talking polar bears though.

[upsettingshorts]

slimgrin wrote...
Party pooper.

I should change my avatar to an image of a wet blanket. 

Maria Caliban wrote...

Fantasy stories with elves and dwarves in them are a minority. You're more likely to find a vampire or werewolf in
a fantasy book than a dwarf.

I should have just said, "Historical fiction is my favorite fiction genre."  I think that would have explained where I'm coming from better than what I went with. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 décembre 2010 - 04:18 .

[AlexXIV]

Well what makes elves different from humans is their 'unearthly immortal beauty'. They are sort of a superior race in most fantasy, even if humans are maybe military stronger. In DA though there is little to no difference anyway, that's true. You could replace any race with different human society/tribe.

[Matchy Pointy]

In all seriousness, I don't care what gender/race a companion is, I care if they are interesting and have a interesting personality (wich for me included every companion in DA, I loved them all for different reasons).

[slimgrin]

A nonhuman race brings a different dynamic to the relationship with your pc. Bioware's games are full of this: Garrus, Samara, Mordin, etc.

It's only because they have done it well in the past that I secretly have a shrine devoted to a female qunari. Next to my elven one.

Modifié par slimgrin, 03 décembre 2010 - 04:19 .

[My Avatar is a turtle]

slimgrin wrote...

A nonhuman race brings a different dynamic to the relationship with your pc. Bioware's games are full of this: Garrus, Samara, Mordin, etc.

It's only because they have done it well in the past that I secretly have a shrine devoted to a female qunari. Next to my elven one.

Those are all Mass effect squaddies

It's a diffrent team that works on DA

[the_one_54321]

Darth Gaider wrote...
a pair of boobs attached to a model they think is attractive.

Darth Gaider wrote...
Not that inspiring, sorry.

Heheh.... wait, what? 

[Addai]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

leonia42 wrote...


Eh, I don't know. I think having read The Calling, I was really disappointed with how Utha and The Architect turned out in the game. Sure, it gave me more background but overall I felt like the book was better than the expansion pack that was supposed to go with it.

Not having read the book I can't answer that, I jsut felt like I was missing something not having read them, with the architecht playing such a big part, and I didn't feel anything about him at all.

The Architect in Awakening had little resemblance to the Architect in the book IMO.  Much prefer the book's version and wish they'd stuck with it.

[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

If I think about it there's nothing, to me, inherently cool or uncool about a companion's race.

It depends on the setting for me. In Thedas, elves, dwarves, and qunari all have a unique culture they belong to. If Sten wasn't a qunari, his character would be completely different. Being a surface dwarf appears to have impacted Varric. Shale was defined by her golemness.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I should have just said, "Historical fiction is my favorite fiction genre."  I think that would have explained where I'm coming from better than what I went with. 

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 03 décembre 2010 - 04:23 .

[My Avatar is a turtle]

Vellana,shale,Sigrun, and possibly the dog.



that's 3-4 how many Do you need?

[Matchy Pointy]

I think the dog is confirmed as male, though I could be wrong here.

[AlexXIV]

My Avatar is a turtle wrote...

Vellana,shale,Sigrun, and possibly the dog.

that's 3-4 how many Do you need?

One that is done exactly the way he likes her? That would count for most of us.

[upsettingshorts]

Sten could have been a Qunari human, if everything else was precisely the same, I wouldn't see any difference. That's what I mean.

If the people living in Orzammar had all been humans who simply worshiped the Stone and their ancestors, or if the Dalish elves had all been humans who lost their homes... same. If Varric had come from a human society that shunned those that left it... I could go on. Shale's golemness is probably the only example of yours that makes me think for a second, and she could have been a cyborg, or a brainwashed super soldier (think the Bourne Identity). To me these differences that so many cling to are no more than fantasy aesthetics.

I don't dispute the points Psychoblonde raised though, that if you put an alien face and setting on a human issue you can address controversial issues without inciting controversy. I get that. I am not the type to get bent out of shape by that kind of thing, so to me, the differences boil down to appearance.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 décembre 2010 - 04:29 .

[AlexXIV]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

I think the dog is confirmed as male, though I could be wrong here.

No you're not. I also think he liked Morrigan. The dog I mean.

[AlexXIV]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Sten could have been a Qunari human, if everything else was precisely the same, I wouldn't see any difference. That's what I mean.

If the people living in Orzammar had all been humans who simply worshiped the Stone and their ancestors, or if the Dalish elves had all been humans who lost their homes... same. If Varric had come from a human society that shunned those that left it... I could go on. Shale's golemness is probably the only example of yours that makes me think for a second, and she could have been a cyborg, or a brainwashed super soldier (think the Bourne Identity). To me these differences that so many cling to are no more than fantasy aesthetics.

I don't dispute the points Psychoblonde raised though, that if you put an alien face and setting on a human issue you can address controversial issues without inciting controversy. I get that. I am not the type to get bent out of shape by that kind of thing, so to me, the differences boil down to appearance.

I didn't even realize Qunari is a different race. I thought they were just very tall. Have to admit I am not very fond of reading codex entries either.

[upsettingshorts]

AlexXIV wrote...

I didn't even realize Qunari is a different race. I thought they were just very tall. Have to admit I am not very fond of reading codex entries either.

I like the Codex.  I just wish navigating it didn't make me want to throw my mouse in the general direction of whomever was responsible for designing its interface.

[Addai]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I would support an all-human fantasy word... I've just never been a fan of elves or dwarves in general. It's possible to raise the same issues as the ones faced by the Dalish elves, city elves, or even the dwarves in DA:O without making them different subspecies or something. Use the extra character models to introduce more varied heights and builds.

But I admit I'm probably in the minority here. I'll also admit there's little consistency in my preference as I don't mind aliens in science fiction. It's probably purely aesthetics driving my opinion.

Dunno if someone has brought it up, but Song of Ice and Fire is pretty much a human story and despite my elven fetishes, it's one of my favorites.

I see the different races the same way I see fantasy and sci fi settings in general.  You put a story on a planet or in a fantasy setting so that you can tell an essentially human drama in a different way.  Love, religion, alliances, betrayals, parent-child, mentor-student, all these very human things, can be looked at through a different lens.  It's why I don't care if elves have huge ears or not, unless you can say something poignant through the physical difference.  The point is not to make something bizarre, but to make something that gives you a different look at the familiar.  My favorite romance setup in Origins is Alistair-elf mage.  The dynamics of human-elf, templar-mage are beautiful.

Not sure if that's why the guys are clamoring for an elf female romance, but I can sympathize.

Modifié par Addai67, 03 décembre 2010 - 04:36 .

[crimzontearz]

about Velanna





Grey Delise is AWESOME, and the fact she voices Velanna in Princess Azula mode is even more awesome



I so hope she shows up in DA2

[slimgrin]

My Avatar is a turtle wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

A nonhuman race brings a different dynamic to the relationship with your pc. Bioware's games are full of this: Garrus, Samara, Mordin, etc.

It's only because they have done it well in the past that I secretly have a shrine devoted to a female qunari. Next to my elven one.

Those are all Mass effect squaddies

It's a diffrent team that works on DA

Just listing off the top of my head but...whoops. I should have thrown Sten, Zevran and Shale in there.