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[Wulfram]

Having the blood mage kill the elves is probably worse than letting him sell them. Particularly since in that case you have him at your mercy, while a particularly ruthless warden could feel that the elves were an acceptable sacrifice for being sure to get your hands on the evidence against Loghain

[Axekix]

IMO, killing either Alistair or Morrigan AFTER completing their romance is pretty awful. Especially in Morrigan's case if she has your child. For a character in love with either, it seems pretty senseless.

[maxernst]

Sarah1281 wrote...

maxernst wrote...

I think the most evil thing you can do is take the deal with Connor's demon that he teaches you blood magic in return for allowing him to return to repossess Connor at a later time. Given the damage that demon did in Redcliffe, allowing him to come back and possess an adult (and presumably much more powerful) mage is a really wicked thing to do.

Blood magic could help you defeat the Blight, though. Sleeping with her...not so much.

Ah, I hadn't thought of that...it never occurred to me to take that option.  I guess that would be even worse. 

Draining the elves is pretty awful too, especially given that the reward is such a meager incremental advantage that is extremely unlikely to make any difference as far as defeating the Blight.

[Ryzaki]

To me the most evil thing you can do is killing character that is in love with you.

And killing Vaughn when he's in the cell and you're not a CE. Or murderknifing the prisoner in Ostagar as any origin. Or killing anyone who has done your PC no personal harm. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 décembre 2010 - 11:12 .

[Zjarcal]

Ryzaki wrote...

To me the most evil thing you can do is killing character that is in love with you.

And killing Vaughn when he's in the cell and you're not a CE. Or murderknifing the prisoner in Ostagar as any origin. Or killing anyone who has done your PC no personal harm. 

Eh, not so much if he makes his rant about "Elves think that they are people". Especially if playing a Dalish.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 03 décembre 2010 - 11:15 .

[Ryzaki]

^You kill people just for saying something you don't agree with? He didn't attack you and has no way of attacking you.

He's a disgusting pig to be sure but in that cell he was a defenseless disgusting pig.

I can't bring myself to kill him anymore unless I'm playing CE origin and most of them kill him in the origin.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 décembre 2010 - 11:20 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...
Eh, not so much if he makes his rant about "Elves think that they are people". Especially if playing a Dalish.

Well he is hardly the only one to think like this.
Killing someone for a racist remark when the guy is clearly vexed and his pride hurt might be a bit excessive.

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
Eh, not so much if he makes his rant about "Elves think that they are people". Especially if playing a Dalish.

Well he is hardly the only one to think like this.
Killing someone for a racist remark when the guy is clearly vexed and his pride hurt might be a bit excessive.

Eh, most other people who express racist remarks do so in a non offensive way or at least without trying to denigrate. For example, Kester in Lake Calenhad who keeps calling elf wardens knife ears, though it's clear he doesn't mean to offend. Or even Leliana's unfortunate conversation, where she apologizes in the end.

Vaughn on the other hand clearly sees elves as garbage.

So no, it's not excessive for me. I don't expect you to agree of course, you being the devil's advocate as always. 

And my point was that it's hardly the most horrible thing you can do in the game.

[Ryzaki]

^The whole thing is subjective though. So it may not be the most evil to you, it might be to someone else.

Frankly I've started letting him out. It's another vote for the Landsmeet and I get some money out of the deal. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 décembre 2010 - 11:25 .

[Johnny Chaos]

I like Vaughan so I usually take the key and leave him in his cell

[KnightofPhoenix]

I am not being Vaughan's advocate. It's just, I believe, that without knowing what he did, killing him just because he said elves are not people seems a bit excessive to me. Leaving him in his cell on the otherhand isn't. And we have to remember that this was right after an elven uprising, which partially caused his emprisonment. So in that context, I wouldn't blame a human for hating elves nor would I blame elves for hating humans. At least I wouldn't condone killing them for a remark. 

But that's just me.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 03 décembre 2010 - 11:25 .

[Zjarcal]

Ryzaki wrote...

^The whole thing is subjective though. So it may not be the most evil to you, it might be to someone else.

Very true.

As a sidenote for the OP, since when does "badass" = "evil"?

Not to mention that I really hate using the term "evil" for the things you do in the game.

EDIT: I know KoP, this is just one thing in which we just have to agree to disagree.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 03 décembre 2010 - 11:26 .

[Ryzaki]

Zjarcal wrote...

Very true.

As a sidenote for the OP, since when does "badass" = "evil"?

Not to mention that I really hate using the term "evil" for the things you do in the game.

I don't know.

True. I can't really see any "evil" options in game anyway. I just see killing Vaughn/other prisioners as excessive and unnecessary.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 décembre 2010 - 11:27 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

On the otherhand, there are a lot of hints that Vaughan had his father assassinated before Ostagar to get the Arling. Truthfully, what happened to Vaughan is the only thing I would applaud Howe for.

[maxernst]

Ryzaki wrote...

Or killing anyone who has done your PC no personal harm. 

Everybody who plays the game as a human or elf goes into Jarvia's hideout with the intention of murdering a whole bunch of people who have done them no personal harm.

[Ryzaki]

maxernst wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Or killing anyone who has done your PC no personal harm. 

Everybody who plays the game as a human or elf goes into Jarvia's hideout with the intention of murdering a whole bunch of people who have done them no personal harm.

Nope. I went there with the intention of trying to talk her down. No one wanted to listen so my PC defended him/herself.

My PC was jumped when they entered a house, got some information and told the people there to scatter and not go back to Jarvia's. Went to Jarvia's and couldn't get in without knowing a password she/he didn't know and was attacked and defended themselves all the way to Jarvia . And well...she didn't want to listen either so....

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

On the otherhand, there are a lot
of hints that Vaughan had his father assassinated before Ostagar to get
the Arling. Truthfully, what happened to Vaughan is the only thing I
would applaud Howe for.

Really? Can you tell me where? I can't believe I missed this!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 décembre 2010 - 11:36 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

maxernst wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Or killing anyone who has done your PC no personal harm. 

Everybody who plays the game as a human or elf goes into Jarvia's hideout with the intention of murdering a whole bunch of people who have done them no personal harm.

It can be argued that Jarvia's men trying to extort money from you in a shop is an offense punishable by mass slaughter....

[naledgeborn]

That's what I like about Origins. Every decision can be spun into something morally grey. If you don't metagame especially. You could sell out Shianni, not for 40 sovs, but for the well being of the Alienage as a whole. You can help Kolgrim because you don't want to fight through an entire cult of Reavers, not to destroy the ashes. You can help the werewolves because the Dalish leader is inconsistent and deceptive. You can save the anvil to fight darkspawn/help Orzammar. You can annul the circle to protect Fereldan from abominations and blood mages ect.....

[Giggles_Manically]

See the Kolgrim descion is just silly.

"I dont want to fight more of them!"



You just killed like 60 of them on the way here, how many can honestly be left?

[Ryzaki]

A better reason for sparing Kolgrim is because he was offering you power, which you could use to defeat the darkspawn.

[naledgeborn]

True, but it's not unthinkable. I mean maybe that's why you side with him. Running out of poltuices/injury kits, racking up injuries, just want to get it over with. I'll admit after the first playthru the decision loses it's mystique unless it's planned.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

A better reason for sparing Kolgrim is because he was offering you power, which you could use to defeat the darkspawn.

Too bad that power is useless unless you are a warrior (the reaver spec is not that useful).

It's like the sacrificing elves with blood magic. The reward is just pathetic.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 03 décembre 2010 - 11:40 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Also I dont trust Caladrius.



No way in hell was I allowing a blood mage to soak up more power after I had kicked his arse.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

A better reason for sparing Kolgrim is because he was offering you power, which you could use to defeat the darkspawn.

Too bad that power is useless unless you are a warrior (the reaver spec is not that useful).

It's like the sacrificing elves with blood magic. The reward is just pathetic.

Ah. *almost always plays Warriors*. Well in game it's supposed to be useful so . Plus you could teach it to a warrior in the party so it's not useless. (That said I *like* the Reaver spec. It's pretty good for my 2HD PCs).

I'd say the same with the sacrificing elves with BM. BW translates it to a pathetic reward but in game it's supposed to be a decent powerup.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 décembre 2010 - 11:43 .