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[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

As far as killing Connor goes, depending on motivation, I don't see it as cruel or evil. If anything, it might be a mercy killing, especially if you are a mage. Life in the circle is bad enough for any mage. Connor carrying the stigma of already being possesed once, and causing so much mayhem, could lead to an even worse situation for him.(Though the epilogue states he does fine, really, you don't know at that point).



Even if you don't do it as a mercy killing for his sake, you can kill him for the sake of the greater good. Sending a mage into the fade is risky, and of course, there is the issue of trusting Jowan not to do something devious, or do the ritual correctly. Killing the boy is probably a much more considerate choice for others.



I find it easier to accept if you let Isolde do the deed, as at least he gets to spend the last moments of his life in his mother's arms.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Glaucon wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
I find it easier to accept if you let Isolde do the deed, as at least he gets to spend the last moments of his life in his mother's arms.

I wish I'd discovered that option. I had to knock her out in the end.

Punching Isolde is very theraputic, I must admit, and can be justified if you do not trust isolde to dispatch her son.

Letting her kill him, I think, is better, as not only does Connor at least get kileld humanely, but it is a rather fitting punishment for isolde, who really is responsible for the whole mess to begin with. It is much easier for her to sacrifice her life for her son than it is for her to strike the killing blow.

The option does come up, though, if you don't knock her out, it always has for me.

[Sarah1281]

The problem with killing Connor, though, is that that could have been done the moment he got possessed. If you kill him after so many in the village died then it makes their deaths even more meaningless and what kind of 'punishment' is it for Isolde to kill someone who doesn't deserve it? If you want to punish her by having her lay down her life to save her child then that's fair but killing an innocent child to hurt a grown woman? That doesn't sit right with me.

[ejoslin]

Hanz54321 wrote...

I think Ejoslin think I'm arguing with with him/her. I'm not. I'm just conversing about Connor's culpability. We are saying the same thing.

I actually was kind of looking at people's thoughts on the Uldred vitimization concept. I think I know what the concensus will be there.

As to the word "evil" . . . I have no problem using it as it is a reality. I'm not an existentialist. I define evil as the infliction of pain or death on other individuals for personal pleasure without any other reason. Evil also is the intentional infliction of pain or death on others to further one's goals when other reasonable means of attaining one's goals are available.

A little real world sidebar: many of you would be shocked to know that one of the professions with the highest number of sociopaths is . . . physician. There are some flat out evil doctors out there.

*grin* ejoslin = her.  I hope i wasn't coming across as argumentative -- I find the discussion about this topic so interesting because every decision is wrong.  One has the happiest outcome, but I think, from a non-metagaming point of view, it's the most risky and probably the worst.

[Tyknu]

I rarely do the evil options in the game, but the most evil one I've done so far is getting the rip-off merchant in Lothering to make a deal with me to join in his business, then killing him after getting the money. (Though this isn't a pure evil option, as he was taking advantage of everyone, but at the same time, you do take the money for your own character.)

[Sabariel]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Sorry, I'm not going to blame a woman for defending herself

I blame her for not thinking before acting. The best course of action would have been to kill those 3 and hide their bodies, instead she just knocks him out and lets his friends carry him out.

Smart move there, very smart move.

...So that makes it okay to leave her to be raped repeatedly?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The problem with killing Connor, though, is that that could have been done the moment he got possessed. If you kill him after so many in the village died then it makes their deaths even more meaningless and what kind of 'punishment' is it for Isolde to kill someone who doesn't deserve it? If you want to punish her by having her lay down her life to save her child then that's fair but killing an innocent child to hurt a grown woman? That doesn't sit right with me.

Killing Connor to punish Isolde is not the reason for doing so, just a consequence of doing so. I've already listed the major reasons to kill him. It is just that as a consequence, Isolde will suffer a more severe punishment for her crimes, which is poetic justice in her case.

She caused a whole village to die, or come close to it, and many parents lost their kids in the process. Plus, she's a hypocrite: it's fine when the Chantry comes to drag off everyone else's kids who are mages, but she is above the law, and thus, thinks she should not have to endure the same thing.

The villager's deaths are meaningless, no matter who you kill. Connor might have done nothing to deserve death, but for his sake and the sake of many others, killing him could be the best option. You could try to send him into the fade, but you risk another life in the process, the life of the mage, as well as the kid. If the mage fails and is possesed or killed, that's two lives done.

[Sarah1281]

That's one argument that I don't really get. Do people think that their mages really suck or something? Morrigan, you, and possibly Wynne can handle themselves.

[mousestalker]

The Water God wrote...

Glaucon wrote...

The Water God wrote...

Mages are the nerds of the fantasy universe.

Flame on!  Oops wrong show.  Raise heat shields!

Mages are Nerds

Warriors are Jocks

And Rouges are Smokers/Emos/Rebels/Rockers.

"This week on Cosmetics Gone Bad: Rouge, rebel or just misapplied?".

Although if I ever saw rouge smoking, I'd more likely fetch a fire extinguisher than stand back in awe.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

That's one argument that I don't really get. Do people think that their mages really suck or something? Morrigan, you, and possibly Wynne can handle themselves.

How do you know for sure? It's not like your companions can't die while in combat and for many people their mages probably fall many times in battle. If those mages were alone in those situations, that would be it for them.

Because the game allows "dead" companions to "resurrect" at the end of combat it's no big deal, but the point is that they sure as hell aren't invincible and they can easily bite the dust.

You don't know what you're gonna face in the fade, it could be just the one desire demon, or a horde of demons being controlled by the desire demon. It's a heavy risk, one that you may or many not be willing to take.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I'd send Wynne and not Morrigan. Problem is, I do Redcliffe before the Circle.