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[Ulous]

MIke_18 wrote...

Why does everyone attack the TC and turn this into a joke thread? This is the worst forum I've seen.

You are both the same person, are you not?

[MIke_18]

Nohvarr wrote...

MIke_18 wrote...

Why does everyone attack the TC and turn this into a joke thread? This is the worst forum I've seen.

Because the TC made a statement that they have yet to provide any supporting evidence for, in an attempt to deride a game they've yet to play. A game by a company with a track record for superior work, excellent story writing and and fantastic characters. Worse off the tc compares this company's product to a Spectacle fighter, and an extremly linear (in recent years) JRPG.

The TC brought it on themselves.

He posted a video. And in the video it indeed looks like Dynasty Warrirors with a JRPG artstyle. He's just saying what he sees

He said : No doubt it will have great story and characters

[Nohvarr]

MIke_18 wrote...

He posted a video. And in the video it indeed looks like Dynasty Warrirors with a JRPG artstyle. He's just saying what he sees

He said : No doubt it will have great story and characters

Oh you mean the video clip from the portion of the game that's meant to be over the top. The part that Cassandra calls Bull**** on, the part the devs have said doesn't reflect the actual tactical combat? Yeah that's not the best choice to support his statement.

Now the TC complained that it looks like a button masher, which has already been discounted by the devs and other people (reviewers) who've played it. The art style uses negative spaces which is used in some Japanese media but that alone is not enough to make it a JRPG artstyle. The artwork this time around is stylized, but so are the graphics in SWTOR, WOW, and infamous. Video game art departments have begun to realize that realistic graphics are getting a bit overdone, so they're trying something different. I can't blame them.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 04 décembre 2010 - 02:13 .

[fsfsfsfsfsfsf]

MIke_18 wrote...

Why does everyone attack the TC and turn this into a joke thread? This is the worst forum I've seen.

Like most official forums for games, it's full of what they call 'fanboys' which are people going through a love is blind thing about their game. They troll anyone who speaks against it and they have the moderators on their side too. With lots of them, it also spurs them on and gives them confidence from strength in numbers. Usually they would be scared to speak out against something, when they know it's a thread full of fanboys just like them, they are happy to chip in with their version of a "this thread is stupid" comment.

It's always the same, different games, different forums, same pathetic caveman mentality. UG! YOU! YOU NO LIKE MY GAME! UG!!! KILL!! INFIDEL!! The sad thing is that they think they are defending their precious game, when really they are harming it by shooting down any feedback that isn't 100% positive. They will try any number of dirty tricks to do it too. They'll criticise the feedback for not being constructive, or they'll just call it trolling, or they'll do what they did in this thread and just turn the whole thing in to a big farce.

But you can't expect anything else, it's typical of modern gamers. They are perfectly satisfied with mediocrity. They don't really care about gaming as a whole, and they don't care about something like DA2 being an epic adventure. They are going to get just another disposable blockbuster, they'll blast through it in a few weeks, and that's fine. On to the next game.

Modifié par fsfsfsfsfsfsf, 04 décembre 2010 - 04:29 .

[Brockololly]

Nohvarr wrote...
Oh you mean the video clip from the portion of the game that's meant to be over the top. The part that Cassandra calls Bull**** on, the part the devs have said doesn't reflect the actual tactical combat? Yeah that's not the best choice to support his statement.

The OP said that they thought it looked like an action hack and slash, JRPG styled game. And I'd agree, based on that gameplay video. If I didn't know that was Dragon Age, I probably would think it was something else. 

Now it likely won't play completely like a hack and slash, but visually, outside of the increased gore, thats what the combat will look like- the animations and all aren't changing. I've seen some of the "real" gameplay- it looks the same as that video, just with some pausing.

Thats the thing- as much as people want to shout down people that have this first impression when they see video of DA2 in action, its not some isolated reaction and given how they've sped up the animations to the point of speed lines and gravity defying antics, its going to invite comparisons to your DMC/God of War and all that, whether it actually plays like that or not, because it looks like it plays like that.

[slimgrin]

DMC was my first impression as well, but I've seen other footage that showed the same battle system is still intact. If there's any borrowing, it's from the standpoint of style and animation.

Modifié par slimgrin, 04 décembre 2010 - 04:36 .

[Fishy]

shepard_lives wrote...

Ulous wrote...

shepard_lives wrote...

*pulls out his hair and repeatedly smashes his head into the table*

I think you will find this is a serious thread for serious people.

[MIke_18]

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

MIke_18 wrote...

Why does everyone attack the TC and turn this into a joke thread? This is the worst forum I've seen.

Like most official forums for games, it's full of what they call 'fanboys' which are people going through a love is blind thing about their game. They troll anyone who speaks against it and they have the moderators on their side too. With lots of them, it also spurs them on and gives them confidence from strength in numbers. Usually they would be scared to speak out against something, when they know it's a thread full of fanboys just like them, they are happy to chip in with their version of a "this thread is stupid" comment.

It's always the same, different games, different forums, same pathetic caveman mentality. UG! YOU! YOU NO LIKE MY GAME! UG!!! KILL!! INFIDEL!! The sad thing is that they think they are defending their precious game, when really they are harming it by shooting down any feedback that isn't 100% positive. They will try any number of dirty tricks to do it too. They'll criticise the feedback for not being constructive, or they'll just call it trolling, or they'll do what they did in this thread and just turn the whole thing in to a big farce.

But you can't expect anything else, it's typical of modern gamers. They are perfectly satisfied with mediocrity. They don't really care about gaming as a whole, and they don't care about something like DA2 being an epic adventure. They are going to get just another disposable blockbuster, they'll blast through it in a few weeks, and that's fine. On to the next game.

This. Ill stay away from these forums as much as I can. People here think the developers are their personal friends or something. 

It's painfull to read some of the posts...Like real physical pain.

[Apollo Starflare]

Brockololly wrote...


The OP said that they thought it looked like an action hack and slash, JRPG styled game. And I'd agree, based on that gameplay video. If I didn't know that was Dragon Age, I probably would think it was something else. 

Now it likely won't play completely like a hack and slash, but visually, outside of the increased gore, thats what the combat will look like- the animations and all aren't changing. I've seen some of the "real" gameplay- it looks the same as that video, just with some pausing.

Thats the thing- as much as people want to shout down people that have this first impression when they see video of DA2 in action, its not some isolated reaction and given how they've sped up the animations to the point of speed lines and gravity defying antics, its going to invite comparisons to your DMC/God of War and all that, whether it actually plays like that or not, because it looks like it plays like that.

I really don't get the JRPG comparisons. I mean I know it isn't a hack n slash either, but I get where they are coming from, but JRPG? Have all the ones I've played or seen been exceptions to the rule? DA2 looks nothing and plays nothing like a JRPG even in that footage. The same applies to DMC and God of War, if you actually see those games in action they look very different. The sort of Hack n Slash DA2 is in danger of appearing like is Fable and other adventure games of that kind, not fast paced combo based games.

I honestly see what you mean about shouting down someone who could have legitimately gotten this impression, but frankly those comparing it to JRPG's or DMC etc. just lose so much credibility because it really doesn't look anything like them. Not to mention you would think that someone posting a topic here would do the forum the favour of using the search engine or a minutes worth a research before posting.

[Cutlasskiwi]

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

Like most official forums for games, it's full of what they call 'fanboys' which are people going through a love is blind thing about their game. They troll anyone who speaks against it and they have the moderators on their side too. With lots of them, it also spurs them on and gives them confidence from strength in numbers. Usually they would be scared to speak out against something, when they know it's a thread full of fanboys just like them, they are happy to chip in with their version of a "this thread is stupid" comment.

It's always the same, different games, different forums, same pathetic caveman mentality. UG! YOU! YOU NO LIKE MY GAME! UG!!! KILL!! INFIDEL!! The sad thing is that they think they are defending their precious game, when really they are harming it by shooting down any feedback that isn't 100% positive. They will try any number of dirty tricks to do it too. They'll criticise the feedback for not being constructive, or they'll just call it trolling, or they'll do what they did in this thread and just turn the whole thing in to a big farce.

But you can't expect anything else, it's typical of modern gamers. They are perfectly satisfied with mediocrity. They don't really care about gaming as a whole, and they don't care about something like DA2 being an epic adventure. They are going to get just another disposable blockbuster, they'll blast through it in a few weeks, and that's fine. On to the next game.

Great generalization and you're by no means exaggerating... Not at all. <_<

[upsettingshorts]

Indeed, no-one can criticize Dragon Age 2 without being an angry troll, and no-one can defend it without being a drooling fanboy. People are incapable of seeing the same facts and arriving at different opinions unless they are delusional or stupid.

What strides fsfsfsfsfsfsf and MIke_18 are making towards the endeavor of more productive discourse!

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 04 décembre 2010 - 04:55 .

[slimgrin]

Woah. I don't agree at all, Apollo Starflare. The reason this comparison comes up all the time - and not just on this forum believe me - is because it does resemble hack n' slash. On the surface at least. Those who have played the first game can see the same tactics are indeed there.

I mean the size of the sword as well as the tracers, the speed of the animation, the style of the animation - it looks very much like DMC to a lot of people.

Modifié par slimgrin, 04 décembre 2010 - 04:58 .

[Apollo Starflare]

slimgrin wrote...

Woah. I don't agree at all, Apollo Starflare. The reason this comparison comes up all the time - and not just on this forum believe me - is because it does resemble hack n' slash. On the surface at least. Those who have played the first game can see the same tactics are indeed there.

I mean the size of the sword as well as the tracers, the speed of the animation, the style of the animation - it looks very much like DMC to a lot of people.

I don't see it. As I said I can see the comparison to a hack n slash, but not DMC and God of War in particular. The game just doesn't look right for that style, even with the revamp. Anyway, my main point was that it doens't resemble a JRPG, the DMC thing comes up more often certainly but I still don't see it.

[upsettingshorts]

That's not the problem, what it looks like is more or less a matter of opinion. The arguments that take this and use it as a basis for how the gameplay has changed, or to insult a vaguely defined new audience, or decry some sort of trend in Bioware or the game industry at large strike me as misleading and specious.

Which, in of itself, wouldn't be all that bad. Bad arguments are raised all the time everywhere over everything, where it becomes annoying or aggravating is when those who are called out for such nonsense respond by calling their critics idiot fanboys or angry trolls.

Granted, the one thing I'll agree with fsfsfsfsfsfs on is that gaming forums everywhere produce exactly the same kind of arguments.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 04 décembre 2010 - 05:05 .

[fsfsfsfsfsfsf]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Indeed, no-one can criticize Dragon Age 2 without being an angry troll, and no-one can defend it without being a drooling fanboy. People are incapable of seeing the same facts and arriving at different opinions unless they are delusional or stupid.

What strides fsfsfsfsfsfsf and MIke_18 are making towards the endeavor of more productive discourse!

You ****ing dork.

[TJPags]

The problem with descriptions of DA2 as hack'n'slash or anything else based on that footage, as well as defense of it, is simple, I think:



It's the only gameplay footage that's been seen. Yes, the devs have told us that's from the exagerrated part, and that combat is more difficult, etc. And no, that's not the finished version. But it IS all we've seen, and it DOES look hack'n'slash. The space jumps, the trailer lines, etc,, all convey that.



What would solve this would be some new gameplay footage. But clearly, I don't think that's in the plan for us right now.



So, some people will attack it, some people will love it, the ones who love it will call those who don't trolls, and the ones who don't will call those who do fanboys. And so it will remain, until Bioware gives us something to actually judge the game on.

[slimgrin]

I basically go with what Laidlaw says. He's been upfront and very informative, probably the best spokesperson for the game. Critics of the new changes should read his posts.

Modifié par slimgrin, 04 décembre 2010 - 05:14 .

[upsettingshorts]

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

You ****ing dork.

[Nohvarr]

MIke_18 wrote...
This. Ill stay away from these forums as much as I can. People here think the developers are their personal friends or something. 

Actually I just got annoyed because the TC made a statement that they failed to back up with any significant evidance. Since we KNOW that video clip is not an indication of the game as a whole I can't accept it as proof that the game will be more like DMC/FF/Dynasty Warriors. As for shouting someone down, I simply asked the TC to provide evidance, and/or explain their position and why they feel as they dode. Heaven forbid I encourage someone to actually back-up their statement on a forum with a well reasoned argument.

So if my reasonable expectations for debate are too strict for you, then I'm not likely to feel any sense of loss if/when you leave the forum.

slimgrin wrote...

I mean the size of the sword as well as the tracers, the speed of the animation, the style of the animation - it looks very much like DMC to a lot of people.

I'll buy speed, if only because the game is (according to the devs) more responsive than DA: O. However that one really comes down to personal opinion as I don't think of DMC just because Hawk's moving with a sense of purpose.

As too animation style, I think people are worried about Hawk flipping and rolling around the battle field. Again this dosen't make much sense to me because any number of film, book and tv heroes have used similar methods to avoid taking a hit. I mean I doubt anyone wants the fights to be as slow and cumbersome as that old classic Kirk vs. The Gorn. Heck when I see Rogue/Hawk flipping over his enemies I think Luke vs. Vader in Empire. The only advantage Luke had going into that fight was superior mobility which he started to use. Then Vader suckered him into an enclosed space and started tearing the room apart hurlings heavy objects at him.

As for sword size, I've seen much bigger weapons coming out of Warhammer 40K.  This maybe a result of the frame narrative as Varric is....embellishing things a bit to make the tale more interesting.

[Cutlasskiwi]

TJPags wrote...

What would solve this would be some new gameplay footage. But clearly, I don't think that's in the plan for us right now. 

I'm betting we'll see some things before the time runs out on the Signature Edition. 

[Nohvarr]

At times we all need to step back and look at why we're arguing. The source of the concerns presented here are the alterations to a game some people felt needed little change. That's understandable, I can't fault someone from wanting something to remain familar.



Yahtzee: That's why Blizzard has just bought it's 14th Yaht.



However we should keep some things in mind. Simply yelling at each other is the providence of trolls. The real dangers of Internet forums are pre-conceptions, careless words, and pride. Keep your wits about you, forumites. The really good debates never end.

[AlanC9]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

You ****ing dork.

Please tell me you aren't reporting him for this.

[upsettingshorts]

...I only report spam and obscene images. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 04 décembre 2010 - 06:03 .

[hexaligned]

DMC = Devil May Cry? If so I wouldn't go that far. If by JRPG you mean something along the lines of the abominations they turned the latest Shining Force games into, then yes, it does sort of look like that. While I generaly hate Anime and how JRPG's look, quite a few of them are quite a bit more tactically satisfying than western RPG's. I just finished playing the PC version of Last Remnant and at least gameplay wise it's one of the better games I've played in awhile (even if the story and visual theme are laughably Japacheesy)

Modifié par relhart, 04 décembre 2010 - 06:08 .

[Brockololly]

Nohvarr wrote...
 Heck when I see Rogue/Hawk flipping over his enemies I think Luke vs. Vader in Empire. The only advantage Luke had going into that fight was superior mobility which he started to use. Then Vader suckered him into an enclosed space and started tearing the room apart hurlings heavy objects at him.

Ummm.... no.

Maybe Anakin and Obi Wan from the prequels with their overdone flipping and acrobatics, but not Empire outside of maybe 1 or 2 moves by Luke. And unless Rogue Hawke has magical Jedi powers, it still makes no sense as to why a armored up guy like that can magically flip backwards 15 feet into the air with no regards to gravity or physics. Yes, I get it, its a game, but DA is /was supposed to be more Song of Ice and Fire, low magic sort of fantasy world thats grounded in some semblance of reality.

Its all subjective, but its hard for me to take the game too seriously when you see the characters doing over the top comical flips and somersaults. Its just all too flashy and stylized for the sake of trying to look cool. Like Bethany twirling her staff around like its some neurotic twitch....

It all just reminds me of Raiders of the Lost Ark- bravo, you can twirl your sword/staff thing.

Modifié par Brockololly, 04 décembre 2010 - 06:22 .