268 réponses à ce sujet

[lazuli]

-Skorpious- wrote...

lazuli wrote...

Is there any way to make a Bard class interesting, though?  It was just some sustainables in DA:O, unless you went the Captivating Song route (and why would you?).  I like the idea of a Bard just fine, especially with the espionage flavor that DA:O described.  Yet Bards in DA:O didn't play anything like spies or secret agents.  Then again, I didn't find any of the specializations all that well executed in DA:O.

Spirit Healer was amazing, and the Templar specialization was an excellent choice for tanking builds. I never found cleanse area to be all that beneficial, but Holy Smite was too great of an ability to pass up. 

Plenty of them had effective skills, I just thought they were too limited.  A Spirit Healer didn't end up playing all that much differently from a Blood Mage.  I guess I would like it if the specializations dramatically changed the way your character functioned in combat.  What little I've heard about specializations in DA2 seems to hint that they will be a bigger deal than before.

[The Night Haunter]

The warrior specs are probably Templar (since they prob play a huge part of the story), Champion (Cause YOU the champ!) and... something that is more 'magical' maybe spirit warrior (revamped) maybe reaver (I likey).

[Malanek]

lazuli wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

lazuli wrote...
Is there any way to make a Bard class interesting, though?  It was just some sustainables in DA:O, unless you went the Captivating Song route (and why would you?).  I like the idea of a Bard just fine, especially with the espionage flavor that DA:O described.  Yet Bards in DA:O didn't play anything like spies or secret agents.  Then again, I didn't find any of the specializations all that well executed in DA:O.

I didn't use it a lot but when I did, captivating song seemed like some pretty awesome crowd control.

Ok, but it's impractical to devote an entire character to that when you could produce the same effects with a Mage and not cripple your build in the process. 

I'm not sure about crippling your build. 2 of the other 3 talents were useful.

[crimzontearz]

spirit warrior FTW

[Malanek]

I think Blood mage, Arcane Warrior, Spirit Healer, Ranger, Assassin, Bard, Beserker and Champion all had effective talents...in some cases too effective. Templar allowed you to wear good special armour. Reaver and Shapechanger had good flavour but were poorly implemented. Duelist was a bit average but just the passive was OK.

[lazuli]

Malanek999 wrote...

I'm not sure about crippling your build. 2 of the other 3 talents were useful.

But to get any use out of the skill you need to shut down your Rogue completely in combat.  Shapeshifting is useless (or at least underpowered) for largely the same reason.

I'm not arguing that the talents and spells offered by specializations were ineffective or weak.  Many of them were quite powerful.  I just never felt like I was really playing a Bard or whatever.  I felt like I was playing a Rogue with an extra skill or two on the side.  If that's what you want from specializations, great.  It lets you keep the core flavor of the class intact.  I'd just prefer it to change my playstyle more dramatically.

[JJDrakken]

They better keep mah Reaver+Beserker Combo! (With some Diabolist thrown in)

JJ

p.s.

NO LOVE FOR REAVER?

Modifié par JJDrakken, 27 janvier 2011 - 03:37 .

[-Skorpious-]

JJDrakken wrote...

They better keep mah Reaver+Beserker Combo! (With some Diabolist thrown in)

JJ

p.s.

NO LOVE FOR REAVER?

Maybe if they completely rework the specialization; it was completely broken in Origins. 

[Dark Knight X]

I think Reaver should be the "dark knight" counterpart to the "white knight" Templar.



just like Blood Mage is the "dark art" to Spirit Healer's healing art........

[Morroian]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

The warrior specs are probably Templar (since they prob play a huge part of the story), Champion (Cause YOU the champ!) and... something that is more 'magical' maybe spirit warrior (revamped) maybe reaver (I likey).

IMHO it will be Templar, Champion and Guardian. The specialisations appear to be keyed to your NPCs talents like in DAO. Because we won't see a reaver we won't get it, likewise spirit warrior, and we don't get bard or shapechanger because we don't run across anyone with those abilities.

[Eclipse_9990]

JJDrakken wrote...

They better keep mah Reaver+Beserker Combo! (With some Diabolist thrown in)

JJ

p.s.

NO LOVE FOR REAVER?

Maybe if Reaver wasn't crap.. For a class thats gained by drinking dragon blood its not that impressive. 

[silentassassin264]

Morroian wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

The warrior specs are probably Templar (since they prob play a huge part of the story), Champion (Cause YOU the champ!) and... something that is more 'magical' maybe spirit warrior (revamped) maybe reaver (I likey).

IMHO it will be Templar, Champion and Guardian. The specialisations appear to be keyed to your NPCs talents like in DAO. Because we won't see a reaver we won't get it, likewise spirit warrior, and we don't get bard or shapechanger because we don't run across anyone with those abilities.

You also aren't running into a shadow to teach you shadow or an antivan crow to teach you assassin.  It was also confirmed with Isabela's swashbuckler that companions are going to have their own "specializations" that are unique to them.  There is no reason to believe that team mates will determine which specializations are available to Hawke.  

That said, you picked three goody two shoes specs.  There has to be at least one badass one like Berserker or Reaver or that would be no fun.

[lazuli]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

JJDrakken wrote...

They better keep mah Reaver+Beserker Combo! (With some Diabolist thrown in)

JJ

p.s.

NO LOVE FOR REAVER?

Maybe if Reaver wasn't crap.. For a class thats gained by drinking dragon blood its not that impressive. 

The Reaver is an interesting class, and I think it has promise.  The game mechanics of DA:O just don't work well with abilities that depend on the user being near death, though.  HP pools (and resource pools) were too low.  It takes a ton of micromanaging to make something like that work, and the rewards aren't really worth it.

[Thicos]

Please, add all

KEEPER
One with Nature - defensive shield with nature damage and speed penalty to enemies
Thornblades - roots with physical damage
Replenishment - health regeneration
Nature's Vengeance - roots with area damage
Bless of Nature - mana/stamina party regeneration
Forest Friend - summon Sylvan

BARD
Song of Valor - party bonuses to mana or stamina regeneration
Distraction - to distract and confuse enemies
Song of Courage - bonuses to attack, damage, and critical chance
Captivating Song - stuns hostile targets nearby
Curse Noise -  sound area damage
Heart Chant - party protection

SPIRIT WARRIOR
Beyond the Veil - mystical energies bonuses
Soulbrand - resisting hostile spells and attacks with spirit damage
Fade Burst - spirit area damage
Blessing of the Fade - increase spirit bonuses
Spirit Field - bonus to defense and spirit damage within the field
Haunted Spirit - to weaken enemies


It are only examples

[Redhawkdown]

Dark Knight X wrote...

I think Reaver should be the "dark knight" counterpart to the "white knight" Templar.



just like Blood Mage is the "dark art" to Spirit Healer's healing art........

Yeah but in Dragon Age  the templars are hardly "The Knight in Shining Armor" like the chantry would like you to beleive.

Regardless i actually wouldnt be supised if templars specialization is removed. Instead maybe for an anti magic warrior we got the lyrium tempered Fenris instead.

[Risax]

Thicos wrote...

Please, add all

KEEPER
One with Nature - defensive shield with nature damage and speed penalty to enemies
Thornblades - roots with physical damage
Replenishment - health regeneration
Nature's Vengeance - roots with area damage
Bless of Nature - mana/stamina party regeneration
Forest Friend - summon Sylvan

BARD
Song of Valor - party bonuses to mana or stamina regeneration
Distraction - to distract and confuse enemies
Song of Courage - bonuses to attack, damage, and critical chance
Captivating Song - stuns hostile targets nearby
Curse Noise -  sound area damage
Heart Chant - party protection

SPIRIT WARRIOR
Beyond the Veil - mystical energies bonuses
Soulbrand - resisting hostile spells and attacks with spirit damage
Fade Burst - spirit area damage
Blessing of the Fade - increase spirit bonuses
Spirit Field - bonus to defense and spirit damage within the field
Haunted Spirit - to weaken enemies


It are only examples

I always saw Varric as a Bard...Don't know why though.
But I'm pretty sure Bard isn't a Spec in Dragon Age 2.

[jhawke]

for warriors, I want Templar, Spirit Warrior, and Champion.

[Dasher1010]

Companions all have a unique specialization so some may be returning. Merrill's specialization mixes some blood magic with the DA1 keeper spells (and possibly new keeper spells) so I'm sure that some specs will be back but they'll only be for NPCs.



So far what we have comfirmed are the rogue specs (shadow, duelist and assassin) and the mage specs (force mage, blood mage and spirit healer) and one of the warrior specs is either guardian, berzerker or champion.

[ReallyRue]

Thicos wrote...

Please, add all

KEEPER
One with Nature - defensive shield with nature damage and speed penalty to enemies
Thornblades - roots with physical damage
Replenishment - health regeneration
Nature's Vengeance - roots with area damage
Bless of Nature - mana/stamina party regeneration
Forest Friend - summon Sylvan

BARD
Song of Valor - party bonuses to mana or stamina regeneration
Distraction - to distract and confuse enemies
Song of Courage - bonuses to attack, damage, and critical chance
Captivating Song - stuns hostile targets nearby
Curse Noise -  sound area damage
Heart Chant - party protection

SPIRIT WARRIOR
Beyond the Veil - mystical energies bonuses
Soulbrand - resisting hostile spells and attacks with spirit damage
Fade Burst - spirit area damage
Blessing of the Fade - increase spirit bonuses
Spirit Field - bonus to defense and spirit damage within the field
Haunted Spirit - to weaken enemies


It are only examples

Excellent ideas! I'd love to see Keeper and Spirit Warrior return, especially because Merrill ought to be able to teach you Keeper stuff.

[ReallyRue]

Morroian wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

The warrior specs are probably Templar (since they prob play a huge part of the story), Champion (Cause YOU the champ!) and... something that is more 'magical' maybe spirit warrior (revamped) maybe reaver (I likey).

IMHO it will be Templar, Champion and Guardian. The specialisations appear to be keyed to your NPCs talents like in DAO. Because we won't see a reaver we won't get it, likewise spirit warrior, and we don't get bard or shapechanger because we don't run across anyone with those abilities.

I always thought you might be able to learn Reaver the same way as Blood Magic and Spirit Warrior the same way as Spirit Healer, because of the similarities in style (like how Reaver/Blood Mage originates from demons/blood and Spirit Warrior/Healer is powered by benevolent Fade spirits). I imagine they'd lose Reaver and Spirit Warrior in favour of the specs you suggested though, because of the whole 'making classes more unique' thing.

[Risax]

Has there been any news at all about the Warrior Specializations?

I plan to start 3 playthroughs at once, and since I already heard about the Rogue and Mage specializations getting some more on the Warriors would be good too. Personally I hope we get Champion, Templar and Spirit Warrior, but that's mostly because I like them. I wouldn't mind some new Specializations either.

[Risax]

So far for mage and Rogue 3 Specializations have been anounced.

Rogue:

• Shadow
• Assassin
• Duelist

Mage: 

• Force Mage
• Blood Mage
• Spirit Healer

But nothing for Warrior yet.
Also, are we sure that each class gets three Specialization? I mean, Origins had four.
But maybe they are concentrating more on skills and abillities for specializations....That would be nice.

[The Elder King]

There is a screen with all the warriors tree in the new IGN preview thread. One spec pretty confirmed: Templar

[Risax]

hhh89 wrote...

There is a screen with all the warriors tree in the new IGN preview thread. One spec pretty confirmed: Templar

Thanks! I'll add it to the front page!