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[Fredvdp]

Siegdrifa wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

Is this why there is some french word here and there?

Can we assume these words are definitly not used in USA?

Umm...
The word "assume" is an anglicized form of the French word "assumer".
The word "definite" is an anglicized form of the French word "defini".
You're actually speaking a mix of various languages, mostly German and French.

Old-English is very Dutch and you're supposed to read it with a Dutch or Flemish accent. Then, as you said, French had a lot of influence on English turning a Germanic language into something of a hybrid of Germanic and Romanic. English is now an incredibly easy language grammatically probably because the Norse invaders started speaking a form of English and simplified it in one generation. English is now a very simple language compared to the much more complex German. I still don't know when to say der, die or den without having to pause for five seconds during a sentence.

But this is completely off-topic. I'm bored.

Like i said, french is mostly a mix of greek and latin, sure we have anglo saxon word but it's only a very few% in compare of greek and latin.

Even if english can appear "simple", especialy about grammar (french language is a pain in the ass, in grammar 80% is a particular case, and the rule cover only 20%  : /  ) but english in classic literatre appear to be like a different language to my eyes.... (it's same for french and many language i presume, good writting invole more complicated form / word and style).

English is simple because it has much "less" of all kinds of things. There's only one definite article (the). In Dutch there 2 (de & het) and there's no clear rule about when to use which form. In French it's clearer because of gender. German articles depend on whether it's a nominative, accusative, dative or genetive structure and it's a pain to learn when to use which even if there are strict rules. English used to be like that ages ago. Maybe Afrikaans is the simplest Germanic language because the Africans don't conjugate their verbs.

[SmokePants]

Canadian accents typically are devoid of short O's. Ask a Canadian to pronounce the word "sorry" and you should hear the difference.

Mark Meer did a better job of covering his accent in ME2. Jennifer Hale is American, so that could be a reason that many prefer her. It's just really hard to take someone seriously as a badass when they sound like they're from Canada.

[onelifecrisis]

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SmokePants wrote...

It's just really hard to take someone seriously as a badass when they sound like they're from Canada.

Are you serious or just flame baiting? Or both? I don't see how one accent can be more badass than another. It's down to the actor, not the accent.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 05 décembre 2010 - 03:57 .

[pacer90]

William Shatner is Canadian, and set the course for space monster destroying hot alien babe laying and deep space exploration everywhere. There is no greater galactic badass.



He is probably the reason the reapers are interested in humanity.

[cdtrk65]

Well it's aboot dang time y'all learnt how to speak english anyhow...

[SmokePants]

onelifecrisis wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

It's just really hard to take someone seriously as a badass when they sound like they're from Canada.

Are you serious or just flame baiting? Or both? I don't see how one accent can be more badass than another. It's down to the actor, not the accent.

I am completely serious. The Canadian accent is one of the least desirable accents in Hollywood. It's too non-threatening for villains and too slow-witted-sounding for protagonists. Thousands of Canadian actors in Los Angeles do all they can to eliminate any trace of it in their speaking. William Shatner offers no clue that he is Canadian.

It's not just Canadians. Even Americans try to suppress their regional affectations in favor of a neutral "newscaster" dialect. It might be politically incorrect, but it's the way the human brain works. We associate accents with other information and preconceptions. Neutral accents circumvent this problem and are more easily accepted by a broader range of ears.

It's why Kiefer Sutherland played Jack Bauer and not Tommy Chong. It's why German accents are harsh and Swedish accents are hilarious.

Modifié par SmokePants, 05 décembre 2010 - 07:29 .

[pacer90]

SmokePants wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

It's just really hard to take someone seriously as a badass when they sound like they're from Canada.

Are you serious or just flame baiting? Or both? I don't see how one accent can be more badass than another. It's down to the actor, not the accent.

I am completely serious. The Canadian accent is one of the least desirable accents in Hollywood. It's too non-threatening for villains and too slow-witted-sounding for protagonists. Thousands of Canadian actors in Los Angeles do all they can to eliminate any trace of it in their speaking. William Shatner offers no clue that he is Canadian.

It's not just Canadians. Even Americans try to suppress their regional affectations in favor of a neutral "newscaster" dialect. It might be politically incorrect, but it's the way the human brain works. We associate accents with other information and preconceptions. Neutral accents circumvent this problem and are more easily accepted by a broader range of ears.

It's why Kiefer Sutherland played Jack Bauer and not Tommy Chong. It's why German accents are harsh and Swedish accents are hilarious.

You're aware Kiefer Sutherland is Canadian right?

[Inquisitor Recon]

I'm still not hearing the Canadian. What aboot now eh?



There is a distinct lack of southern/southwest accents however. But luckily there is no Boston-ers.

[SmokePants]

pacer90 wrote...

You're aware Kiefer Sutherland is Canadian right?

YES! Why is it so difficult to grasp my point?

Canadian actors with Canadian accent = no good.
Canadian actors without Canadian accent = good.

[pacer90]

SmokePants wrote...

pacer90 wrote...

You're aware Kiefer Sutherland is Canadian right?

YES! Why is it so difficult to grasp my point?

Canadian actors with Canadian accent = no good.
Canadian actors without Canadian accent = good.

Well you didn't allude to the fact that he was Canadian in your post, and this is the internet there is no voice inflection and such. Had to be sure.

Alright well... I'm going to agree with you to a point. You have to realize that the VAST majority of Canadians have no discernable accent. It's not like America where you have a "Boston" or "New York" accent. Best you'll get is a prarie accent or a small town maritime accent. This is why your point is quite contested. Yes the "stereotypical" canadian accent is undesirable, much like a twangy southern drawl usually is unless you need a stereotypical racist or bigot. But the stereotypical accent simply does not show up for the majority of Canadians, they live in big cities and are not exposed to that type of speech.

Kiefer, Mike Myers, Jim Carrey, Pamela Anderson, Ryan Renolds... they come from across Canada. Jennifer Hale was raised in America... but she spent her first years in THE MOST ACCENTED part of Canada.

That's why you're getting a strange response.

[The Thorian]

Anybody who tries to submit that Canadians have some terribly obvious way of speaking clearly took Amy Walker's BS impression far to seriously. For anybody who tries to prove otherwise, meet one of us that isn't from Newfoundland or the Yukon. We don't say aboot, soorry and those other Cliches that Americans traditionally try to mock us for. In comparison, The US West coast and Northeast sound more akin to what we are.

[bohica01]

Most of the voice actors are american... other than the Shepards. And even then you can only sometimes tell.



There isn't much difference between accent neutral Canadians and accent neutral Americans, just inflection and the "ou" sound mostly, though its not as big of a difference as most people think. Its just that Eastern Canadians have an eastern accent, southern Americans have an accent, etc, and those sound way different.

[magelet]

Mark Meer has a definite Canadian accent, as do a lot of the random extra characters. The thing is though that Canadian accents are pretty subtle so most people don't even notice them...

[Milana_Saros]

thompsmt wrote...

Err, the voice actors are Canadian?

[onelifecrisis]

The Thorian wrote...

Anybody who tries to submit that Canadians have some terribly obvious way of speaking clearly took Amy Walker's BS impression far to seriously. For anybody who tries to prove otherwise, meet one of us that isn't from Newfoundland or the Yukon.

Mark Meer isn't from Newfoundland or the Yukon. He's from Edmonton, and he says "aboot". I'd say that qualifies as "terribly obvious".

Oddly, an ex-girlfriend of mine is also from Edmonton and she says "about". Go figure.

P.S. I've never heard of Amy Walker.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 05 décembre 2010 - 09:57 .

[insochris]

bohica01 wrote...

Most of the voice actors are american... other than the Shepards. And even then you can only sometimes tell.

ME1 cast
ME2 cast

IMDB links. for those interested. many of them are missing birth places, but most are indeed American. the ones that are Canadian (for those too lazy to click):

Jennifer Hale, Mark Meer, Michael Hogan (Bailey), Tricia Helfer (EDI), Cara Pifko (Kelly), Josh Dean (Jenkins), Belinda Cornish (Rana Thanoptis), and possibly some others, i didn't check them all.

edit: i called Michael Hogan "Hudson" for some reason.

Modifié par insochris, 05 décembre 2010 - 10:27 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Every language has loanwords. This is no pure language, they have all copied each other over time.

[Undertone]

I never noticed really other then in ME2 there is more lack of diversity then in ME1. I can clearly remember that the Doctor that Garrus saved when we encounter him for a second time spoke in Eastern European accent.



Also the guy who wanted the corpse of his wife seemed like an Indian accent. In ME2 I don't remember foreign accents standing out as much. Besides Canadian or American accents or whatever.



Accents don't matter - so long as the voice acting is done well I wouldn't care 2 cents. Of course more diversity is always nice but who cares.

[Kenshen]

Hathur wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Outside of the Mackenzie brothers most Canadians do not say aboot.

I've lived in Canada 31 years.. never heard a fellow Canadian say "aboot"... frankly I'm baffled how it became a notion Canadians say this word.. since I've lived in Toronto and Vancouver and never heard it once.... perhaps in the maritime provinces? The prairies maybe? I dunno.

I sometimes hear people say "eh" (even I do it on occassion)... but based on American tv shows, Americans say it as often as we do... especially New Yorkers.

Maybe since you have been around it all your life it just don't notice it?  I knew a girl who lived north of Toronto and she did say aboot a lot.  I loved it and did my best to get her to say it as often as I could but then again I am a sucker for any accent. 

[cdtrk65]

I dont hear any aboot's from in Canada, maybe from the martimers but everyone else no...

[SmokePants]

pacer90 wrote...

Well you didn't allude to the fact that he was Canadian in your post, and this is the internet there is no voice inflection and such. Had to be sure.

Alright well... I'm going to agree with you to a point. You have to realize that the VAST majority of Canadians have no discernable accent. It's not like America where you have a "Boston" or "New York" accent. Best you'll get is a prarie accent or a small town maritime accent. This is why your point is quite contested. Yes the "stereotypical" canadian accent is undesirable, much like a twangy southern drawl usually is unless you need a stereotypical racist or bigot. But the stereotypical accent simply does not show up for the majority of Canadians, they live in big cities and are not exposed to that type of speech.

Kiefer, Mike Myers, Jim Carrey, Pamela Anderson, Ryan Renolds... they come from across Canada. Jennifer Hale was raised in America... but she spent her first years in THE MOST ACCENTED part of Canada.

That's why you're getting a strange response.

I can pick up on Mike Meyers' and Jim Carrey's accents. The BioWare doctors sound VERY Canadian. Christina Norman, Casey Hudson, check and check. I listen to Canadian podcasts and the accent is apparent. I used to watch wrestling and there are a ton of easily distinguishable Canadians running around that scene. I would say that the vast majority are identifiable by their dialect and the ones who aren't actively try not to sound Canadian, which is largely the case in Hollywood, where no one sounds like where they're from.

It's subtle. It is not thick or distinctive, but it's just enough to make the speaker sound "off".

Modifié par SmokePants, 06 décembre 2010 - 02:27 .

[The Thorian]

cdtrk65 wrote...

I dont hear any aboot's from in Canada, maybe from the martimers but everyone else no...

None here in Nova Scotia or New Brunswick. The real place in Canada where you'd find a stranger dialect is the Newfies, they oddly sound like a mix between Danes and Angles. Those small town accents that you would find so interesting in the 60s have largely vanished now with the isolated French and Acadian towns that are far more isolated then the rest of us.

[Eskimo9000]

I've never heard a Canadian say aboot. But the big difference is that in Canada there are birds on the roof but in the States the birds are on the ruff.