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[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Deus Ex is going to be another dark and gritty cookie cutter shooter/RPG. Are they going to learn from Mass Effect, a game that's more sci-fi move/RPG hybrid? No, they aren't. DE3 is on the buy list... but not for a while.



DA2 is also dark and gritty (rhymes with dull and over done these days) but with BioWare's record, the importable save games, the continuation of a great game, and the amount of enjoyment I got from DAO and ME1/ME2.... DA2 goes in the "take a day off of work to play" category.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Deus Ex is going to be another dark and gritty cookie cutter shooter/RPG. Are they going to learn from Mass Effect, a game that's more sci-fi move/RPG hybrid? No, they aren't. DE3 is on the buy list... but not for a while.

DA2 is also dark and gritty (rhymes with dull and over done these days) but with BioWare's record, the importable save games, the continuation of a great game, and the amount of enjoyment I got from DAO and ME1/ME2.... DA2 goes in the "take a day off of work to play" category.

Wow, just wow, I am speechless, are you a troll or just hopelessly ignorant. Now I can understand if you dont like Deus Ex as everybody has different tastes but you seem to have no idea what you are talking about or what Deus Ex even is?

To help me get a better idea of where you are comming from could you please tell me what the cookie cutter shooter/RPG is? Because any games that I think of that could even be considered as a shooter/RPG hybrid all play very different to each other.

Anyway there is really anything that Deus Ex could learn from Mass Effect other than what not to do, if you ask me it is Mass Effect that could learn a thing or 2 from Deus Ex.

[upsettingshorts]

If anything, the original Deus Ex defined the cookie shape.  At least for me.  The sequel (Invisible War) used less ingredients and wasn't baked long enough.

I'm cautiously optimistic for DE3.  I'll probably wait for reviews, as it's definitely the type of game I'd like to play, but the track record isn't there. 

...should really play through it again.  It's been years. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 05 décembre 2010 - 02:33 .

[Da_Lion_Man]

I'll probably get neither, because I think neither will live up to their predecessors.

[Il Divo]

Damn. Same day release? This is one of those instances where I hope one of them gets pushed back. Truth is, Ican only play one game at a time, so no matter which I choose to play first, there's going to be this nagging feeling that I still haven't played the second game and I want to take my time with both of them.

[MIke_18]

I'm getting Deus Ex 3. The developer aren't afraid to show their game because it's awesome.



Bioware relies on vague information they release on the forums sometimes for me to pre-order. Noot good enough.

[PARAGON87]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Wow, just wow, I am speechless, are you a troll or just hopelessly ignorant. Now I can understand if you dont like Deus Ex as everybody has different tastes but you seem to have no idea what you are talking about or what Deus Ex even is?

To help me get a better idea of where you are comming from could you please tell me what the cookie cutter shooter/RPG is? Because any games that I think of that could even be considered as a shooter/RPG hybrid all play very different to each other.

Anyway there is really anything that Deus Ex could learn from Mass Effect other than what not to do, if you ask me it is Mass Effect that could learn a thing or 2 from Deus Ex.

Hey, no name calling.  That wasn't a troll-like comment.  While I don't agree with it too, don't bash someone for disagreeing with your statement.  That's what I meant by fanboyism and I won't have it in my thread.

Anyway, there's a lot that BioWare can learn from Deus Ex, expecially right now, and especially in their marketing strategies.

[PARAGON87]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

...should really play through it again.  It's been years. 

Darn right, this hype for the game is wanting to make we replay DX, this is the only other game I've played other than ME more than 10x on different computers.

Plus, I can say that this games soundtrack is second only to ME and ME2's.  And thats a damn good accomplishment.



EDIT:  I'm looking through the HD mods of the game and I can see they have an updated-high quality HD mod of it available, but I can't seem to find it.  Only an ultra-high quality mod that doesn't change much.

Modifié par PARAGON87, 05 décembre 2010 - 03:39 .

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

PARAGON87 wrote...

Hey, no name calling.  That wasn't a troll-like comment.  While I don't agree with it too, don't bash someone for disagreeing with your statement.  That's what I meant by fanboyism and I won't have it in my thread.

Anyway, there's a lot that BioWare can learn from Deus Ex, expecially right now, and especially in their marketing strategies.

Sorry wasnt meaning to be rude however I would like a clarification on what exactly a "cookie cutter shooter/RPG" is as most RPG/Shooter hybrids I have played all play very different to each other.

That being said and everyone is entitled to their opinion however I would be genuinely surprised if Rinpoche has actually played the original Deus Ex or even knows what the games are.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

PARAGON87 wrote...

Hey, no name calling.  That wasn't a troll-like comment.  While I don't agree with it too, don't bash someone for disagreeing with your statement.  That's what I meant by fanboyism and I won't have it in my thread.

Anyway, there's a lot that BioWare can learn from Deus Ex, expecially right now, and especially in their marketing strategies.

Sorry wasnt meaning to be rude however I would like a clarification on what exactly a "cookie cutter shooter/RPG" is as most RPG/Shooter hybrids I have played all play very different to each other.

That being said and everyone is entitled to their opinion however I would be genuinely surprised if Rinpoche has actually played the original Deus Ex or even knows what the games are.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Sorry wasnt meaning to be rude however I would like a clarification on what exactly a "cookie cutter shooter/RPG" is as most RPG/Shooter hybrids I have played all play very different to each other.

That being said and everyone is entitled to their opinion however I would be genuinely surprised if Rinpoche has actually played the original Deus Ex or even knows what the games are.

Cookie cutter shooter:   All shooters are cookie cutter.  One gun shoots quick, does low damage.  One guy shoot slow, does high damage.  Some place in there will be a crossbow that shoot silently or something.  There will be a melee weapon too.  Cookie cutter.  Done many, many times.

I have played the original DE1, very many times.  3dFx Voodoo 2s in SLI, FTMFW!  It's a great story.  It is, in fact, the original cookie.  But you might want to re-read my post, lad.  The DE I'm refering to is the DE the OP put forward.  Which is dark, gritty, and has a hero who lives in a poorly lit apartment where everything is black and brown (like his soul, I expect).  In the trailer he fantasizes he's a Dark Angel that was cast out by the lord or some other painfully dull emo crybaby bologna.  The angsty hero out to redeam himself is soooo increadibly boring.  It has been done many times.

The shooter part is cookie cookie.  The RPG part is cookie cutter.  DE will be a cookie cutter shooter/RPG.

^_^  The game generates low interest with me.

Could it rock?  Sure.  But I doubt it.  DA2 on the other hand, plenty of neat refinements are evident already, despite the tide of tears from some people on the forums.  Dialogue wheel... huge improvement.  Graphics look better... and they keep hinting they're only going to improve.  Characters look interesting, story looks interesting... and my choices from DAO have an impact on DA2.  You can't beat that.  My interest in DA2 is much greater than that for DE.

I feel bad that you take my opinion so seriously.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie][smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie][smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Anywho, back to football! 

[PARAGON87]

elektrego wrote...
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After all those years since the first Deus Ex was released - I think it was around 2000 - it is still my personal all-time favourite. And despite it was weak in comparison, I enjoyed Invisible War, too.

Yeah, Invisible War was good, but it really dumbed down the game mechanics that made the 1st one so great.  The 2nd one's story was good, though it really made all the paths diverge towards the end and it was really conveniant (almost too conveniant) how all factions were right next to each other in the endgame, so all your choices were laid out for you.

Hopefully it will be exactly like the first game, and from what I am seeing, it might be better.

Modifié par PARAGON87, 05 décembre 2010 - 08:24 .

[Morroian]

MIke_18 wrote...

I'm getting Deus Ex 3. The developer aren't afraid to show their game because it's awesome.

Bioware relies on vague information they release on the forums sometimes for me to pre-order. Noot good enough.

You might have a point if DA2 was close to release but it isn't. And I do find it hilarious that those who are overly critical of DA2 without a lot of foundation are willing to cut DE3 slack when DE2 was a poor follow up to DE2. There is more of a foundation to be cautious about DE3.

Modifié par Morroian, 05 décembre 2010 - 10:11 .

[PARAGON87]

Morroian wrote...

You might have a point if DA2 was close to release but it isn't. And I do find it hilarious that those who are critical of DA2 without a lot of foundation are willing to cut DE3 slack when DE2 was a poor follow up to DE2. There is more of a foundation to be cautious about DE3.

Yes, DX2 was a poor follow up, but really so many years after it's release, and hearing all the complants about that game, it seems the concern of the fans has been addressed and it looks like it's returning to the original formula of the 1st game.  Really it comes down to this: DX: HR looks vastly more attractive than DA2.  

I would give more preference to DA2 if I knew more about it, and me being more prefereable to sci-fi than fantasy, DX: HR might get more playtime by me on release day.

[ErichHartmann]

They both are RPGs but very different games. I think Human Revolution looks a lot more appealing than Fallout: New Vegas. The visceral trailer of violence has me somewhat excited because it reminds me of Ghost In The Shell and the combat looks great.

[In Exile]

Personally, I'm not at all interested in Deus Ex. It just doesn't have the kinds of features I look for in a game. Like I did with the Witcher, I will wait for it to come out and see what the feedback is on its features; if the story is praised, or there is some other innovative sort of addition, I will give it a look. Not excited for it by any means.

Apollo Starflare wrote...

But we don't know DA2's combat is dumbed down, people just assume as much because they changed something. Frankly all I see is TW2 embodying pretty much everything that a lot of posters here claim to hate in RPG's. Sure if it matches the hype it sounds a worthy GOTY, but certainly not in the best RPG. By some standards at least.

Oh, seriously. The Witcher 2 is introducing paraphrases and QTEs, for example, and their cart their PC game around and play it on a controller because it's more convenient than a keyboard and mouse, but somehow it is the saving grace of PC gaming and RPGs? 

I think the game will be good and am looking foward to it, but the praise it gets compared to DA2 on this forum is just confusing.

[DarthCaine]

Morroian wrote...

MIke_18 wrote...

I'm getting Deus Ex 3. The developer aren't afraid to show their game because it's awesome.

Bioware relies on vague information they release on the forums sometimes for me to pre-order. Noot good enough.

You might have a point if DA2 was close to release but it isn't.

erm, what? It's only 3 months till release, I'd say that extremly close. For Deus Ex 3 we already have tons of videos and info. The Witcher 2 is coming in May and we had more info like 6 months ago than we do now for DA2. Hell BioShock Infinite is coming in 2012 and we've seen more of it than DA2.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 05 décembre 2010 - 09:02 .

[DarthCaine]

In Exile wrote...

Oh, seriously. The Witcher 2 is introducing paraphrases and QTEs

TW1's whole combat was QTEs, it's not introducing anything. I am dissapointed about the parapaphrasing though, however I doubt it'll be much of a problem since in one dialogue you only have a few choices, you don't choose every single line like in DA2/ME2

Modifié par DarthCaine, 05 décembre 2010 - 09:06 .

[In Exile]

DarthCaine wrote...
TW1's whole combat was QTEs, it's not introducing anything. I am dissapointed about the parapaphrasing though, however I doubt it'll be much of a problem since in one dialogue you only have a few choices, you don't choose every single line like in DA2/ME2

Have you seen the gameplay video? Combat was real time with a trigger; the proper QTEs they're adding in boss fights mean a switch to a cut-scene where you have to hit the right unpredictable button or repeat part of the battle/get disadvantaged. This is totally different.

As for the paraphrase, I personally don't care; I just bring it up for those who want to praise TW2 as going in the right direction vs. DA2, while having the same features.

[slimgrin]

QTE's are a regrettable but fortunately optional addition to TW2. Combat looks way better than TW1.

While I'm impressed by what I've seen and read about Deus Ex, I too fear they may just be cashing in on the name.

Modifié par slimgrin, 05 décembre 2010 - 09:11 .

[upsettingshorts]

Wouldn't be the first time, although it isn't like Invisible War was bad, it just wasn't incredibly awesome like the original.

[In Exile]

slimgrin wrote...

QTE's are a regrettable but fortunately optional addition to TW2. Combat looks way better than TW1.

They're optional in the sense that failing them will not mean instant death/redo. Failing them does disadvantage Geralt in comabt, and that's very aggravating because QTEs are pure luck the first time around, until you learn the timing.

While I'm impressed by what I've seen and read about Deus Ex, I too fear they may just be cashing in on the name.

I've only seen their initial trailer. I'm taking a look now for more stuff, since this thread has gotten me interested in the game.

[Snoteye]

slimgrin wrote...

QTE's are a regrettable but fortunately optional addition to TW2.

How are they optional?

Nevermind:

In Exile wrote...

They're optional in the sense that failing them will not mean instant death/redo. Failing them does disadvantage Geralt in comabt, and that's very aggravating because QTEs are pure luck the first time around, until you learn the timing.

For every change in TW2 that made me more interested in the game, the addition of QTEs alone kept me from pre-ordering. I cling to a foolish hope that developers will one day realise that time in games != time in real life.

Modifié par Snoteye, 05 décembre 2010 - 09:19 .

[slimgrin]

In Exile, Sword combat in TW2 is like a hack n' slash game: you initiate and mix up your attack anyway you want. It was QTE based in the first game, but not in this one. If you have watched the vids there is a clear difference. QTE's are for special finishing moves and the like only, and like I said they are optional. Still, I'm not thrilled about it.

I'm ok with paraphrasing in any rpg, as long as its an accurate paraphrase.

I don't know how Deus ex will do dialog, but I read somewhere that it'll have an enormous amount of dialog.

No matter what, I'll end up playing the first one.

Modifié par slimgrin, 05 décembre 2010 - 09:21 .