24 réponses à ce sujet

[Borrachofunk69]

I see a lot of complaining going on about the various promotional unlockables concerning Dragon Age.

What you need to realize, is that none of these items are high-end unique super treasures. They're low to mid level things that you probably will not use for a long time anyway.

As pre-release marketing it is brilliant but stop panicking about having to own every last one.

The game is beautiful and complete on it's own.

Stop running after the carrots.

The same goes with all premium DLC. Look at how well the model worked for Fallout 3.

If you enjoy something and wish to see it continued, you pay for it, it's the entertainment industry.

If you think it's not for you you have every right to pass it up but if we come here to **** about what is supposed to be pleasure and downtime, things are seriously wrong in the Kingdom.

[Bara Rockfall]

Borrachofunk69 wrote...

I see a lot of complaining going on about the various promotional unlockables concerning Dragon Age.

What you need to realize, is that none of these items are high-end unique super treasures. They're low to mid level things that you probably will not use for a long time anyway.

As pre-release marketing it is brilliant but stop panicking about having to own every last one.

The game is beautiful and complete on it's own.

Stop running after the carrots.

The same goes with all premium DLC. Look at how well the model worked for Fallout 3.

If you enjoy something and wish to see it continued, you pay for it, it's the entertainment industry.

If you think it's not for you you have every right to pass it up but if we come here to **** about what is supposed to be pleasure and downtime, things are seriously wrong in the Kingdom.

Wow you mean you just discovered how some gamers are.  Don't get me wrong I think things like Stone Prisoner and Warden's Keep will be fun and add something to the game but you are totally right about all the little items. 

[M_arc]

Well the lucky stone +1 to all stat is quite a nice item imo. And I really like to collect them all.

I guess I'm another marketing victim but I can't resist.

But I agree, they are no high-end items. Having a really special item at the beginning would unsettle the game balance anyway and I doubt it would be much fun.

[Maria Caliban]

Borrachofunk69 wrote...

What you need to realize, is that none of these items are high-end unique super treasures. They're low to mid level things that you probably will not use for a long time anyway.

That's incorrect. The items with the CE are all 'high end.'

[Bob the Insane]

I think the OP is referning the the vendor specific pre-order bonus objects, not the CE specific content...

However I do not think it is all low power stuff... For example in the UK from game one of the three items is:

Bergen's Honour

When the Grey Warden Bergen knew he was at the end of his life, he descended into the the Deep Roads joined by a full company of the Legion of the Dead. They slew hordes of darkspawn, clearing tunnels that had been lost for centuries. When at last they fell, a lone dwarf brought back Bergen's helm, as well as his defiant and inspirational tale.

Placement: This is a massive dragonbone helmet. So it's end-game warrior fare. At a good price. Besides Corruption at the end of the game, it should be the best helm available.

Stats: Adds +2 to armour. Adds a lot to physical resistance (+25). Adds to attack (+6).

Note the comment "At a good price", this mean it is not just dumped on the player for free so it should not unbalance anything...

They had something similar in NWN2...

Modifié par Bob the Insane, 26 octobre 2009 - 07:26 .

[Malanek]

I think the only mistakes are the things that can be consumed to give permanent bonuses and don't take up an inventory slot. Each one of these is impossible to balance. Having interesting and powerful items as extras are OK so long as they are not strictly better than anything in the game.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Don't confuse the issue of DLC (to which I think there is none) with that of promotional marketing items.

As for all these items being useless because they're not high-end.. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't play a game to get a high-end item collection. That argument just doesn't fly, since it assumes an errenous motivation for the ones amongst us that do want the whole shebang. I couldn't care less at which point in the game I'd get them or if I'd use them for 1 hour or 30.

[Borrachofunk69]

I just realized all your arguments are pretty valid.



Bring on Dragon Age already.



It's been a long long time since Point Lookout

[JamesX]

None of the items seem earth breaking. Worse comes to worse you can probably console command it in or something. They should already all be in the game data (my guess, not factual).



The only DLC that matters are the one with additional content and not one that unlocks a item in the game.

[Azrailx]

there are sum that give full bonuses to stats (one gives +1 to all another +3)

that a bonus of 2 levels of stats or 6level of stats





though in the end it not to big of a deal, use them if u want to or not

[Varenus Luckmann]

Since so many appear to not care about the promotional items whatsoever, feel free to send their promotional/CE codes to me once the game goes live.

I mean, if they're actually serious as to what they're saying or just part of the "have" clique to which I understand this is a moot point. Since they're "haves" and not "have nots".

JamesX wrote...
None of the items seem earth breaking. Worse comes to worse you can probably console command it in or something. They should already all be in the game data (my guess, not factual).

Consoling them into the game.. now that'd be cheating, wouldn't it? If it's anything like previous games, most of these items aren't stuff you're just magically going to start with. They're placed in the game.

It's like the merchants added in the Pre-order & Collector's Editions of Baldur's Gate II. You could cheat all their items into the game. But you weren't meant to just magically have them. You had to shell out muchos gold coins for them.

JamesX wrote...
The only DLC that matters are the one with additional content and not one that unlocks a item in the game.

Again. DLC and the issues of promotional marketing stuff are completely seperate.

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 26 octobre 2009 - 08:22 .

[Malanek]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...
Don't confuse the issue of DLC (to which I think there is none) with that of promotional marketing items.

What's the difference? IMO the problem is balancing the game difficulty and level of challenge bewteen players who have the extra items and those who don't. Where those items come from is completely irrelevant IMO.

[MrGOH]

JamesX wrote...

None of the items seem earth breaking. Worse comes to worse you can probably console command it in or something. They should already all be in the game data (my guess, not factual).

The only DLC that matters are the one with additional content and not one that unlocks a item in the game.

Preorder, CE and other promo items are reportedly all DLC - very small DLC, but DLC that must be downloaded through the Bioware store nonetheless.

[Arttis]

They are not important.Just something to get to enhance our gameplay experience.*at least for me*

[Monolithic0117]

Arttis wrote...

They are not important.Just something to get to enhance our gameplay experience.*at least for me*

Hmm... well said.

[Lord Clocks]

Malanek999 wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...
Don't confuse the issue of DLC (to which I think there is none) with that of promotional marketing items.

What's the difference? IMO the problem is balancing the game difficulty and level of challenge bewteen players who have the extra items and those who don't. Where those items come from is completely irrelevant IMO.

Why the hell does this matter?

Are you going to fight me with my DLC content and premiums? 

I guarantee you wont.  So why do you care if maybe my game is made just a teensy bit easier for me or i level up 2% faster than you do because I was willing to do what i wanted to do to get those items?

Game balancing is more about making the game fun.  Making sure that what they do doesnt totally make my experience suck and I get bored.  Not about whether you are better than I, vice versa, or any such thing.

If I have a fun experience.  And you have a fun experience, does my tiny boon items that I was willing to buy from a certain outlet and pay for a certain extra area matter?

[Malanek]

The problem is making sure the game is still fun and challenging for everyone. If it is slightly easier then there is probably no problem. If it is significantly easier for some people then there is a problem.

[Arttis]

Well you still have a choice to use it or not.I guess if you paid for it that would be worse.

[Holy Mortar]

Baaah! I really don't care about all those. I took CE DD becouse of Wardens Keep and Stone Prisoner - all other things are 100% unnecessary for me.



I will have MY experience and I couldn't care less about those bonuses. I don't care if someone will get something little extra.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Malanek999 wrote...
What's the difference? IMO the problem is balancing the game difficulty and level of challenge bewteen players who have the extra items and those who don't. Where those items come from is completely irrelevant IMO.

The difference is that DLC takes developer time and effort and that DLC can be had any any time, by anyone.

A promotional marketing scheme hands out items at whim without real reason in a way that is unnecessary and exclusive.

Arttis wrote...
They are not important.Just something to get to enhance our gameplay
experience.*at least for me*

I feel that enhancing our gameplay experience is very important. *at least for me*

../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 26 octobre 2009 - 08:42 .

[Lord Clocks]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Arttis wrote...
They are not important.Just something to get to enhance our gameplay
experience.*at least for me*

I feel that enhancing our gameplay experience is very important. *at least for me*

../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png

Um.  You have to buy your game somewhere.  Buy it somewhere that you get an exclusive premium.

Whats the deal?

Look at the items on offer.  They arent that huge a boon to anyone.  You arent "missing out" on anything you probably wont be able to find in game somewhere as a different title.  E.g. it might be called the "Rainbow Ring of gamespot Awesomeness" with +1 cool.  You will probably find a ring item with +1 cool somewhere else in game called something else. 

So does not having the gamespot exclusive version of that trinket matter enough to perpetuate your furry wrath at the situation of not being able to afford all the premium versions from every retailer?

[Locain]

I've decided to forget I ever read anything about any items or the like connected to various editions, localisations, clickies, gamies or other such things and simply play the game as if I stumbled upon it 2 years after release on a dusty shelf in a store.

I must admit I'm insanely confused anyway about what you get, don't get, unlock, buy, download, get for preorder, where in the world I order etc etc etc.



I'll play the game, probably enjoy it (it's bioware afterall) and that's it...

[Aurvan]

I've never been an item prostitute. Too good items make the game too easy. I just want enough stuff to match the enemies. For online games I've always preferred games where items play a small role (suffice to say MMOs quickly get boring) since I would rather like to play the game and not collect stuff.

I want the Collector's Edition for other reasons.

Band merch is like a wedding ring, not as pretty, but signifies a deep commitment between you and the band. - Eddie Riggs, Brutal Legend

Modifié par Aurvan, 26 octobre 2009 - 09:09 .

[Maria Caliban]

Azrailx wrote...

there are sum that give full bonuses to stats (one gives +1 to all another +3)
that a bonus of 2 levels of stats or 6level of stats


though in the end it not to big of a deal, use them if u want to or not

The book does not give +3 to all stats. It gives 3 stat points that can be spent as desired. That's 1 level up.

[Evaler]

M_arc wrote...

Well the lucky stone +1 to all stat is quite a nice item imo. And I really like to collect them all.
I guess I'm another marketing victim but I can't resist.
But I agree, they are no high-end items. Having a really special item at the beginning would unsettle the game balance anyway and I doubt it would be much fun.

Yeah I know your pain, I'm a sucker for CE's and it looks like Dragons Age won't be breaking me out of my habit anytime soon.