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[Xilizhra]

After thinking about it for a while, I think I've determined what drives the Council through all of its most negative acts... amusingly, it's remarkably close to Renegade Shepard.

Namely, their fear of galactic war.

Where this comes from is probably obvious: two devastating wars one right after the other; first the rachni, then the krogan. After the krogan, the Council probably decided "never again" and to eliminate all risk of a galactic-scale war appearing on their watch. It's why they declined to aid the quarians against the geth and then ostracize them; the quarians could have started a galactic war if the geth had been more aggressive, and they needed an example. It's why they applied the second genophage; there were probably some asari still around who remembered the Krogan Rebellions from their younger days, and even those people who weren't had still heard many and vivid stories about the lethality of the krogan. Another unacceptable risk. And it's why they don't dare to do anything that might ****** off the Terminus Systems: the Council would probably win, but they'd deem the loss of life unacceptable, even if it means leaving human colonies out in the breeze.

[AdmiralCheez]

I think you hit the nail right on the head, Xil.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

they should give their commanders/captains pay raises > and more comfort onboard starships...

it isn't gonna suck itself (not directed towards males of the future)

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 05 décembre 2010 - 11:40 .

[Xilizhra]

Hey, we've never seen the inside of a true Council ship, just an Alliance one.

[AdmiralCheez]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

they should give their commanders/captains pay raises > and more comfort onboard starships...

The Council doesn't control that.  The accomodations aboard a starship are left up to the people that build it, and the pay of any officer is decided by the military organization he or she belongs to.

[thegreateski]

I thought it was the Turian councilor but your idea is good too.

[Xilizhra]

thegreateski wrote...

I thought it was the Turian councilor but your idea is good too.

Actually, I wonder if he perhaps treats all Spectres like that. Like the original conception of Satan the Accuser, he could constantly put his subordinates on the defensive to hear just how they account for themselves, as a means of testing them.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

they should give their commanders/captains pay raises > and more comfort onboard starships...

The Council doesn't control that.  The accomodations aboard a starship are left up to the people that build it, and the pay of any officer is decided by the military organization he or she belongs to.

well the council should fund the alliance military to give pay raises to military personnel aswell as upgrade the livelyhood/comfort of starships

aswell as improve the overall ship's weaponry (Photon Lasers, and Blackstorm Cannon for the SR3)

[Rip504]

The loss of life is unaccecptable,but you justify this with the loss of life? By doing nothing you condone the loss of life by another force. So the loss of Coucil race life or the loss of life because of council force is unnacptable? So by not doing anything life is still being lost in mass numbers. So what if your council in ME2 is a human council? Are they still worried about wars that happen hundreds of years ago?

[cdtrk65]

I think the Turian has his own little racism going. He seems bitter towards human's and thinks Turian spectres are the best. Hince why he always side's with Saren, and against Shepard.



No way the Reapers are real, Shepard; Saren is just too good a influencing your weak mind.

[Xilizhra]

The loss of life is unaccecptable,but you justify this with the loss of life? By doing nothing you condone the loss of life by another force. So the loss of Coucil race life or the loss of life because of council force is unnacptable? So by not doing anything life is still being lost in mass numbers. So what if your council in ME2 is a human council? Are they still worried about wars that happen hundreds of years ago?

I suspect the human Council is just a bunch of ****s. I could be wrong, but I don't know what drives them other than power.

[AdmiralCheez]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

well the council should fund the alliance military to give pay raises to military personnel aswell as upgrade the livelyhood/comfort of starships

aswell as improve the overall ship's weaponry (Photon Lasers, and Blackstorm Cannon for the SR3)

That would be overstepping their authority.  The Council is only supposed to intervene on matters that involve multiple species.  It is each race's responsibility to fund their own military.  Even for an all-human Council, this would be a no-no.

[General User]

I think you're right about the Councils motivations. 
 
It’s a dangerous situation. If they are so paralyzed by fear, that they fail in their legitimate duties, it will be their down fall, as it almost was during Saren’s attack. 
 
Well…I guess it WAS their down fall if you didn’t save the Destiny Ascension.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

well the council should fund the alliance military to give pay raises to military personnel aswell as upgrade the livelyhood/comfort of starships

aswell as improve the overall ship's weaponry (Photon Lasers, and Blackstorm Cannon for the SR3)

That would be overstepping their authority.  The Council is only supposed to intervene on matters that involve multiple species.  It is each race's responsibility to fund their own military.  Even for an all-human Council, this would be a no-no.

 hmmm... then the alliance should re-instate cerberus for extra funding...

[Barquiel]

Xilizhra wrote...

The loss of life is unaccecptable,but you justify this with the loss of life? By doing nothing you condone the loss of life by another force. So the loss of Coucil race life or the loss of life because of council force is unnacptable? So by not doing anything life is still being lost in mass numbers. So what if your council in ME2 is a human council? Are they still worried about wars that happen hundreds of years ago?

I suspect the human Council is just a bunch of ****s. I could be wrong, but I don't know what drives them other than power.

As far as I understand it, there is no all-human council in ME2.

[AdmiralCheez]

Barquiel wrote...

As far as I understand it, there is no all-human council in ME2.

There is if you imported from ME1 and renegaded the beejeezus out of everything.

[ReiSilver]

interestingly one of the last news updates was about the Council locking down a prothean dig site so that council representative researches could have a look at it. I think this supports the theory they are quietly working on combating the Reapers or taking measures just in case if they arrive, they just don't want to cause a panic and they don't trust Shep and his/her connections to Cerberus.

I hope in ME3 we get to see how the main Asari/Turian/Salarian militaries/government have been preparing, we saw some of their advances in the Normandy upgrades

[Barquiel]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

As far as I understand it, there is no all-human council in ME2.

There is if you imported from ME1 and renegaded the beejeezus out of everything.

Feron mentioned in the Redemption comics that the asari sit on the citadel council. I thought this is canon (= written for all endings)...but I am not sure - I always save the DA.
Is an all-human council confirmed in ME2?

[Xilizhra]

General User wrote...

I think you're right about the Councils motivations. 
 
It’s a dangerous situation. If they are so paralyzed by fear, that they fail in their legitimate duties, it will be their down fall, as it almost was during Saren’s attack. 
 
Well…I guess it WAS their down fall if you didn’t save the Destiny Ascension.

If they had sent a fleet to Ilos, it probably wouldn't have made a difference; the screen of geth there would have blocked them and they might have gotten attacked by Terminus forces. If Shepard was there, the Citadel would at least be saved still, but nothing really would have been gained.

[lovgreno]

Good point. The primal goal of the Council seems to be to avoid war. Wich is a good goal considering how devastating those wars have been in the past. It has worked fairly well for a long time as there has been little oposition to the Councils rule as far as I can see. Well everyone hates the all human Council of course but as they don't have any public support they are not realy potent in their role as defenders of Citadell space anyway. Making a all human Council just seems like a egotistical and stupid self defeat for humanity... Did the writers of ME1 realy think that one through?



The Council fleets are powerfull but their numbers are still limited. They have to be used primaly to patroll Council space. The Council can not take responsibility for everyone in the Galaxy and thus the Terminus systems are basicaly a lawless area. Obviously the Council races are keeping an eye on what happens there and try to spread their influence but any major military campain there would be too expensive, both counted in ships needed elsewhere and a severy overstepping of their political agenda.



Think about how all Shepards reaper warnings must sound to the Council:

This new race on the block, humans, pops up from nowhere and starts making demands of a piece of the Council races power. So they make one human a spectre to at least show some sign of good will against these weird newcommers. And what does this bigmouthed human Shepard do? Comes up with some silly story about robot gods coming to eat us all! So s/he gets killed and while it was admittedly a very efficent, though strange, Spectre all this reaper nonsense was getting annoying. And then Shep comes back, somewhat suspiciously as Cerberus is involved. And as you could expect that smartass starts to call them stupid for not beliveing his/her b-movie script of a reaper threat without any evidence. Now realy...

[lovgreno]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote... hmmm... then the alliance should re-instate cerberus for extra funding...

Leather seats!

[AdmiralCheez]

Barquiel wrote...

Feron mentioned in the Redemption comics that the asari sit on the citadel council. I thought this is canon (= written for all endings)...but I am not sure - I always save the DA.
Is an all-human council confirmed in ME2?

For anyone who took the "screw the Council" decision at the end of ME1, yes.  The "canon" situation (or rather, the default) is that the old Council died during Sovereign's attack, and a new Council, led by humans, is now in power.  Although humans are currently taking charge, other races still have representatives.  This new, mixed Council was supposed to be available for neutral players as well, but they goofed up the programming.  Kind of like Conrad Verner.

[General User]

Xilizhra wrote...

General User wrote...

I think you're right about the Councils motivations. 
 
It’s a dangerous situation. If they are so paralyzed by fear, that they fail in their legitimate duties, it will be their down fall, as it almost was during Saren’s attack. 
 
Well…I guess it WAS their down fall if you didn’t save the Destiny Ascension.

If they had sent a fleet to Ilos, it probably wouldn't have made a difference; the screen of geth there would have blocked them and they might have gotten attacked by Terminus forces. If Shepard was there, the Citadel would at least be saved still, but nothing really would have been gained.

I was thinking more of the Council’s response to Eden Prime. A major colony world of a Citadel member race is attacked by an outside force (even if the Council doesn’t believe Shepard about Saren) and the Council’s response is… assign a Spectre?
 
At least the salarians didn’t buy it, they put the STG on the case. Good chaps the salarians, also investigated the Collector attacks.

[Yojimbo_Ltd]

They choose peace over righteousness. It's not necessarily the right choice, but the one that takes the least amount of effort.

[cdtrk65]

There was a joke I heard one time, somebody ask a politican how he stayed popular while running everything, and his answer if you don't do anything nobody has a reason to get upset with you...seems like the council agrees...