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[Ryzaki]

Okay I'm replaying the Circle Tower quest and I can't help but get annoyed at how Wynne forces herself into the party. I mean...I have no option to refuse her and try to break the barier unless I kill her and the other mages with her. Honestly? Why? It's rage inducing. I don't want to deal with Wynne but I don't want to be a douche either.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Yeah, I know, Wynne's insistance and latching on is terribly annoying. I really would rather have the option to make her stay behind while I sort out the tower.



Having to endure her dream in the Fade yet again is the only part of that sequence I find tedious.

[Ryzaki]

^Yeah but you can ditch Alistair at camp for 99% of the game except for one segment where you don't even have to go through combat with the exception of a one on one battle which could be laughably easy depending on who you pick to fight Loghain. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 décembre 2010 - 03:38 .

[Ryzaki]

Glaucon wrote...

Yeah but his cooking stinks, literally, I mean have you tried his all in one stew!

That folks is why I recruit Leliana. I let her cook.

Either her or the PC. :lol:After all the Wardens ruined his dreams of being a master chef. All that training under Nan.

Though gah. I wish I could've just knocked Wynne out or something. I mean I was playing a mage so she's really unnecessary for that segment. What do I need with her when I already have a dedicated healing mage? 

[Ryzaki]

Exactly. So annoying. >_>



And walking up to the barrier does nothing.



Though I don't need her at all for her healing abilities. I'd rather have someone who could take more damage in battle (Sten) then her.

[Masquerade]

I just reached the Circle Tower not long ago, i am playing through as an evil character. It is so hard to do though without feeling guilty.

I found it really distressing to kill poor Wynne, my mage justified it by declaring that the prison that holds the mages needs to be destroyed. (She was so happy to leave the tower when Duncan recruited her to the Grey Wardens) Lelianna then objected to which i replied did i ask for your opinion and then Alistair replied with some rant about not killing everything in sight ... problem was he wasn't even in my party lol

[Zjarcal]

TOTALLY AGREED!!!



Seriously, this is probably my single biggest issue in all of Dragon Age: Origins. I don't mind killing her one bit (it's one of my favorite things to do actually), but I just hate how you have to express a desire to cleanse the tower completely to do it, not to mention kill the other apprentices who had no reason to die.



But I just can't do it, I simply can't take her with me again. Her fade dream is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO boring and annoying that I just can't do it. If it means breaking out of character for a moment to avoid that pain, I'll do it. I really do wish there was an option to knock her out or convince her to stay behind.



Not to mention being forced to drop one of your party members. I always thought situations like this one or Oghren at the Anvil of the Void, should've been handled like the Orphanage quest with Ser Otto, where he tagged along as an NPC. Then at the end of the quest you could've had the option to recruit them.

[Giggles_Manically]

I just kill her when talking to Cullen.



Blood Mages should be afraid of me.

Then she attacks and dies.

[Zjarcal]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I just kill her when talking to Cullen.

Blood Mages should be afraid of me.
Then she attacks and dies.

Yeah but that's once you've already endured the torture of her fade dream. THAT'S what I can't stand the most, her fade dream.

I so wish there was a way to alter the party once you enter the tower. I tried the metagame item to bring up the party selection screen but Wynne was still grayed out. There's just no escaping her.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 06 décembre 2010 - 05:29 .

[IanPolaris]

[quote]Zjarcal wrote...

[quote]I so wish there was a way to alter the party once you enter the tower. I tried the metagame item to bring up the party selection screen but Wynne was still grayed out. There's just no escaping her.

[/quote]

There is, but unfortunately not before you go through the Fade-Dream sequence.  As long as you are in the same room that Niall/Sloth Demon were in (4th floor of the tower), you can swap out party members.  It is the only time during the tower quest once you've started it that you can after you've ecountered Wynne.

As for Wynne, yes, she is a pushy little hypocrit isn't she and she essentially uses the threat of you having to kill little children as a way to force her to join your party.  However, you can kill her:

1.  By siding with Cullen just before the final encounter in the Harrowing Chamber.  Do that and you kill no one by Wynne (and you can then go back to the room where the Sloth demon was and get a replacement for her).

2.  If you are a blood-mage and have the original dialog re-activated, Wynne will actively try to get you punished/killed by the Chantry right after you saved the circle.  Unless you try (any effort AT ALL will work) to "persuade" Irving it's "Grey Warden Magic", Wynne will turn all the mages and templars against you and you can kill her then.

-Polaris

[CalJones]

Actually you just have to take Morrigan with you and agree with what she says, and Wynne will attack you. You still have to kill the other mages, but as Keili is one of them I don't find that so bad.

[IanPolaris]

The worst part of Wynne's Fade Dream is that she brags about how she has a very special and constant connection to the Fade, yet she is fooled by the Fade in a way that no competant mage should have been. Compare Wynne's Fade Dream with Morrigan's. Morri doesn't claim the Fade shines out of her buttocks, but she isn't fooled by the demons for a moment.



Then Wynne tries to take almost all the credit for saving Irving?



I can't kill the old cow fast enough.



-Polaris

[CalJones]

Ha ha, yes. Of course, you can remove her from party after leaving the Fade so that she can't take credit, but then you don't get the dialogue to turn her down if you don't want her joining the party - she'll just turn up in camp regardless.

[ejoslin]

I don't know... Wynne's fade dream... doesn't everyone like to be berated and blamed for awful things when going out of your way to help someone?

Modifié par ejoslin, 06 décembre 2010 - 12:06 .

[Esbatty]

Because she is sexy. Thats why I take her. Aww yeah.



...



Totally not trolling, I do find her very attractive. Her and Dr. Chakwas. rrrrrrowl.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Zjarcal wrote...

Yeah but that's once you've already endured the torture of her fade dream. THAT'S what I can't stand the most, her fade dream.

I so wish there was a way to alter the party once you enter the tower. I tried the metagame item to bring up the party selection screen but Wynne was still grayed out. There's just no escaping her.

This. Every word of it.

The Fade is one of my favorite places in the game for RP purposes. Seeing what sort of nightmares hold your companions in thrall is a great way to get to know them, and has all sorts of RP potential. So when I go into the fade, Id rather be taking companions I wish to get to know better, or whose fade dreams I want to see. Wynne, whose dream I've seen 1000 times, is not one of them. Not to mention Wynne's dream is not only as interesting as watching paint dry, it's annoying and stupid. The dumb cow, who is supposed to be a speshul mage, can't even figure out she's in the friggin Fade.

Yet in killing Wynne before the Fade, i miss out on the opprtunities to have her as a companion, and thus, annoy and offend her at every turn, which is far better in my opinion to draw out her torment than end it.

It is the opportunities to contunually pester her about griffons, tell her to go knit fuzzy blankets and stay out of my love life, inform her constantly the Circle sucks, and constantly remind her that she is old and decrepit is what keeps her alive in most my playthroughs. And thankfully, the developers give us another opportunity to get rid of her at the Urn.

It's that goddamned fade sequence that gets me. I'm wondering, to all the mod genuises out there, if they could make a mod that allows the Warden to leave her behind with the apprentices, but get her after the circle is done?

[KnightofPhoenix]

In my recent playthrough, Morrigan and Sten's badassery in their dream balanced Wynne's dullness. But yes it is annoying that we have to take her with us, we should have had the option to tell her to watch over the children. And of course we have Irving who is too blind to notice who reallly saved him, completely ignoring us and praising Wynne who is gracious enough to remember that "she had help".

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 06 décembre 2010 - 03:52 .