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[blothulfur]

I made a theory some time ago that cailan was commiting suicide by darkspawn because he could not bear a child and had dishonoured his wife with celene when he thought anora was barren, he was also making sure alistair survived as his heir with the backing of eammon whose army was still at full strength.

He would die a hero defeating a blight or large darkspawn incursion rather than an adulterous orlesian bootlick, kind of glory hunting by a different route.

Of course unless mr gaider dishes the dirt we'll never know what his real motivations were, plus if he's anything like alistair he'll hide behind humour and stereotypes (a common english trait).

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

A more intelligent plan would have been to let the Orlesians, under his so called command, save Ferelden. Then the marriage would have been more legitimate.

Being a savior is not enough in Ferelden. Had Maric decided to marry the Orlesian empress, I don't think anyone would have been happy about it.

Maric's situation was different, though.  That was right after the war and his marriage to Rowan had been a contract made to secure the Guerrins support.  And he couldn't share the GLORY with Orlesian chevaliers.  I think that was just a game he was playing with Celene.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
Maric's situation was different, though.  That was right after the war and his marriage to Rowan had been a contract made to secure the Guerrins support.  And he couldn't share the GLORY with Orlesian chevaliers.  I think that was just a game he was playing with Celene.

Anora was also groomed from childhood to be Cailan's wife, to secure an alliance with the Mac Tirs (the family that controls one of the Ternirs and the army).

And if indeed he thinks that what he was doing with Celene was a game, I am starting to feel sorry for the wolves that ate him.

[Ulicus]

@ Sarah1281

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

EDIT: Heeee... Id forgotten that Elric mentioned Cailan knowing "there would be no victory at Ostagar".

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Except that in accepting such a theory, by default, you would be giving Cailan credit for an abundance of intelligence and cunning that he simply lacks.

Which he apparently lacks. 

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

A more intelligent plan would have been to let the Orlesians, under his so called command, save Ferelden. Then the marriage would have been more legitimate.

I'm inclined to agree that such would have made the marriage more palatable to the people. Which plays into the OP.

If the nobility feel, rightly or wrongly, that Ferelden has more than enough troops to fend off the darkspawn "incursion", then they're going to balk at letting the Orlesians in. If, however, they feel they need to let the Orlesians in... well, then Cailan can save the day at the head of four legions of cheveliers, transforming the public opinion of Orlais from "those people who enslaved us" to "those people who served our king and saved us".

Worth remembering that, according to Duncan, Cailan has been holding the Orlesians back....

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Anora was also groomed from childhood to be Cailan's wife, to secure an alliance with the Mac Tirs (the family that controls one of the Ternirs and the army).

Which makes you wonder why they took so long to wed. 9:25 Dragon? Crazy. They were of age long before that.

Modifié par Ulicus, 07 décembre 2010 - 02:21 .

[Wedger]

Perhaps Cailin was pressured to marry Anora to consolidate power in Ferelden, after his father was lost at sea. How old was Maric when he married Rowan?

[Sarah1281]

I agree. Cailan married Anora a month after his father was lost at sea so they could be crowned together. Cailan only would have been twenty then, right? Anora was a little older but it's not like Cailan waited all that long after becoming an adult.

[Wereparrot]

Which makes you wonder why they took so long to wed. 9:25 Dragon? Crazy. They were of age long before that.

This makes me wonder that the whole Celene thing may have been a lost cause on Cailin's part because Bryce was in Orlais 'last year,' according to Eleanor. Surely something would have been hashed out in that time?

[Sarah1281]

You know, Ulicus, I have to say that I love the TVTrope title.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 08 décembre 2010 - 03:23 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

@Hanz



Oh, it's not that your theory didn't have merits, it certainly did, and was incredibly interesting.



I just can't really find any evidence of Cailan as being that long-sighted and clever. Everything, from his ingame demeanor to the codexes lead me to believe the man was an unrealistic, deluded idiot. It would be nice if there was some sort og grander scheme on his part, as well as having the back-up plan of sending Alistair to the tower for the battle. But I can't really imagine Cailan that thoughtful.

[Wedger]

Didn't Cailan say to send our best - the new Warden and Alistair - cuz of course his brother would be the best.

[Sarah1281]

Or because Cailan's so well-versed in military strategy that he actually thinks the two newbies are the best.

[Sabariel]

Those two "newbies" made it through the Tower and lit the signal, did they not?

[Sarah1281]

Yes but unless we have any reason to think that the more experienced members of the order wouldn't have, we have no reason to think that they were the best available and - more to the point - neither does Cailan.

[Sabariel]

I never particularly got the impression that Cailan thought Warden and Alistair were "the best". It felt more like an empty compliment meant to perhaps boost the Warden's feeling of "specialness".

[Wulfram]

I think he was just referring to the wardens in general as being the best, rather than Alistair + noob being the best wardens.

[LadyVaJedi]

Now to make this a real soap opera if Calian had a body double that stood in his place at the battle and was killed instead. And he shows up in DA:2.

[CalJones]

I suspect Cailan just meant "best" as in wardens, because he thinks wardens are awesome...and he figured the two noobers would be best suited to the easy job of lighting the beacon whilst the older and even more awesome wardens would be "shedding blood" with him on the front lines.

[Wulfram]

LadyVaJedi wrote...

Now to make this a real soap opera if Calian had a body double that stood in his place at the battle and was killed instead. And he shows up in DA:2.

Alistair actually was Cailan in disguise!

It fits perfectly.  They look virtually identical, aside from hair.  Cailan would love to be a warden, didn't really enjoy all this King business.  Morrigan wonders why Flemeth didn't take the King - perhaps she did?  Considering Cailan's sleeping around, it's not surprising Anora tries to have him executed.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LadyVaJedi wrote...

Now to make this a real soap opera if Calian had a body double that stood in his place at the battle and was killed instead. And he shows up in DA:2.

If that's the case, I am going to metagame and Hawke will make sure to finish what the darkspawn started. In other words, he's dead.

[LadyVaJedi]

Well it is possible since some kings and/or queens do have body doubles.

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LadyVaJedi wrote...

Now to make this a real soap opera if Calian had a body double that stood in his place at the battle and was killed instead. And he shows up in DA:2.

If that's the case, I am going to metagame and Hawke will make sure to finish what the darkspawn started. In other words, he's dead.

Cool.
Can we tag team him then KoP?

[LadyVaJedi]

Well it is something to ponder.