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[CajNatalie]

I don't get why Benezia is so 'difficult'.
You just have to move so the rachni tank is between her and you... there are also various other points where she's obstructed. As long as she doesn't have a clean view of you she can't cause the lift glitch and can't marksman you to death.
The only thing difficult about the Benezia fight is if you get hit by all the Snipers at once.

The Battlemaster on Therum is really not that much of an issue. Challenging if you go to Therum first, yes... but biotics were there to even the field for you and keep that krogan CC'd.

Also, Saren's jumpy form is no real issue for me... just keep moving and whenever he jumps I dynamic pause and drag my reticule to his new spot... release and Shep instantly swings around so I can continue shooting. Plus, Lift can make that fight trivial with the right squad + medical exoskeleton setup.

The Thorian Creeper... now THAT's a tough one. Those creepers can put you near death with their vomit. With my Vanguard I have a great time on Insanity, though... they fall over to shotgun blasts so easily, plus Vanguard biotics help deal with any that get to close to me or my team. It's other classes that have the problems there in my experience.

In ME2, I found Tela Vasir to be awful simply because she made no damn sense.
She's been bleeding all this time and yet suddenly she's some kind of juggernaut.
If she can wear armor like that, why can't Shepard? The glorified paper Shep wears just seems worse than ever in that battle just comparing it to Vasir's armor...
She's easy enough to beat, and a little fun, too... but she makes no damn sense.
No. Damn. Sense.

YMIRs used to be a pain... I almost wanted to rage because I couldn't understand how there could be some way to actually deal with them without getting myself shredded each time I attacked. But now I know how to deal with them. They're big, slow, and intentionally predictable. Not 'sticking' to cover and just making sure there's something between me and the minigun is the way to go (stepping left any time it fires a rocket).
It's not typically a fair fight putting someone against one of those, so you have to use their big and sluggish selves to your advantage.
I use a similar technique for Praetorians and the Occulus... though Praetorians and their barrier thing are very annoying... sometimes you strip a barrier and it puts a new one up right away... =/
The only YMIR that gives me real grief is the one at Object Rho. It's hard to pick the guards off without exposing myself and I can't risk confronting the mech itself when the guards could flank me any time.

About the Scions on the final part of Horizon people mentioned... yes I can confirm you can pick at least one of them off before going in to the area even on Insanity. There's also a part in the IFF mission where two scions show up right before the IFF itself. Stay back and you don't spawn the husks so you can deal with the scions first.

Modifié par CajNatalie, 20 mai 2011 - 02:12 .

[ebevan91]

The first time I fought Praetorians on Horizon and the Collector vessel.

I didn't have the Cain at the time, and I didn't have the right squad mates with me because it was my first playthrough. I spent probably an hour on both of those. So annoying. But now I come prepared, with my Cain and the right squaddies.

[MrFob]

Hm, ME1 wasn't too bad. Therum can be rough. Another one is the missing module mission (he one with the monkeys) when you are still low level and don't bring a tech for the geth ambush.
I don't know why everyone has problems with Benezia, Just walk over to the right behind her platform so she can't hit you and deal with her goons. Then you can take her after your little chat. The only dreading part o that fight was Marina Sirtis' horrible voice acting *shivers*.
ME2, I hate husk/scion combination, be it on Horizin, the derelict reaper or in the biotic bubble. When you play hardcore/insanity and the husks have armor, it can bet bad.
Toughest single fight is the praetorian on the collector ship. I never use heavy weapons so on insanity this one is a killer.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the two YMRs in that side mission where you destroy the fake distress signal in that abandoned mining station are also quite tough.

Modifié par MrFob, 20 mai 2011 - 05:19 .

[Bluko]

Katamariguy wrote...

1. Benezia on Noveria. I'm pretty sure that I was reduced to a murmuring wreck after killing her.

2.The YMIR mech ambush at the end of Garrus' loyalty was pretty nasty.

Yeah Benezia is pretty bad. I always save before the fight, because something always goes wrong. Besides the way too many Biotics flying around glitching you etc. her pistol shots do a crap ton of damage so if you don't get to the safe ramp you're screwed.

Then you've got the Therum Armature Ambush and Krogan Battlemaster which are just a pain at low levels. To be honest a lot of the Boss Fights in ME1 tend to be rather overkill since if you aren't ready you'll get owned fast. Although that has more to with the RPG aspect of the game, which is fun sometimes.

In ME2 the only things that give me trouble are the Scions. Seriously I hate those things. Almost as much as I hate Shao Kahn in MK9. (If you don't know possibly the cheapest Boss I've fought in a long time.) So...

ME1
-Benezia
-Armature Ambush
*Saren's final form is annoying as well and the Thorian Creepers + Clone Shiala have managed to kill me more then I'd like to admit

ME2
-Scions, yes just Scions

[mineralica]

Therum-low level-insanity. Came there with Garrus and Wrex, died ~50 times, reloaded entire mission to change Garrus with Kaidan and nullified that goddamn battlemaster from 2nd attempt (on first mr. Alenko decided to pop up from cover in a VERY wrong moment).
Horizon-first playthrough-vanguard. Praetorian. Didn't die, however, but stayed in ~5 hits for who knows how many times. The battle is much much simplier for Infiltrators though.

Another noticeable moment - bomb site on Virmire (Insanity). Two snipers, destroyer, prime and juggernaut, as I recall? Saren was a kitten after that.

[z4t001]

i think we all agree the only hard fight in the entire series is the therum elevator

[Darkhour]

Katamariguy wrote...

 1. Benezia on Noveria. I'm pretty sure that I was reduced to a murmuring wreck after killing her.

2.The YMIR mech ambush at the end of Garrus' loyalty was pretty nasty.

Are you playing on Insanity? Otherwise, Benezia was pretty easy. The first 3/4 of the fight you can ignore her completely and when she finally does come out to fight she uses a gun more than her biotics.

I wouldn't consider YMIR mechs to be bosses.  Although the fight you mention is the more difficult of the much fights, only because your squad AI sucks and your cover options kinda suck. 


That Krogan battlemaster on Therum can be tough sometimes if he's aggressive enough.

[dreman9999]

TelexFerra wrote...

The Yahg. Too easy (even on insane)<br />
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Praetorian on both Horizon and the Collector ship. Seriously, am I the ONLY target?

The Pratorian is easy with an adept, infliltrator, setinal,or/and Enginner on Horizon.....Just use the truck in the middle for cover and curve your powers.

[SalsaDMA]

Benezia have to be the fight I hated the most as well. Getting knocked over the rails or glitching through the floor just happened way way too often for my liking there

[Puzzlewell]

ME1: Benezia. That fight still makes me froth at the mouth whenever I replay ME1.

ME2 definitely goes to the Praetorian on Horizon. I hate that damn blob so much. >:C Close seconds would be the numerous Scions littered throughout the Collector Ship and trying to fight those while husks flank you.

Modifié par CalamityRanger, 20 mai 2011 - 08:13 .

[AlexMBrennan]

2nd YMIR on Purgatory - unlike most others that one just keeps advancing towards Shepard.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Katamariguy wrote...

2.The YMIR mech ambush at the end of Garrus' loyalty was pretty nasty.

2. Those YMIR mechs can be easily avoided altogether by simply hitting them with overload, pull, concussive shot, or warp while they're still on the cranes. They fall and explode.

That's what I'm gonna try next time I hit that level

Thanks

Ah, the joys of power sniping. I'm actually quite surprised you haven't done it yet, Praetor Shepard. Sniper rifles and insta-hit powers work the best for this. Also, even if they survive, the AI doesn't really know what to do about you from so far away, so it's basically a shooting gallery.


Back on topic, I'm not sure there really is one really really horrible boss fight in ME2. Certain classes might have a bit more difficulty with certain bosses, but for the most part, the biggest ones tend to be the tamest. For one, Praetorians are mostly looks more than anything - on the DCS, kill the Husks/Collectors first, and then you can just lead the thing on laps around the ramp/covers, corner sniping and letting squaddies do the work. The important thing is just not to let its size scare you, really.

Overall, I think the most consistent challenge comes from YMIRs and probably Hock's Gunship (since there's no tricks, just waiting and fighting mooks).

As far as ME1 goes, I actually can't remember... I just remember tedium with that game.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 20 mai 2011 - 10:17 .

[Seboist]

The Armature ambush on Therum and getting swarmed by rocket drones in the Luna mission were the most brutal fights in ME1.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Benezia pwned me a bunch of times last time I played. I think I know what I'm doing a little better this time so hopefully she won't be so much of a problem (hate tough fights that have a conversation before them).

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

I liked the Benezia fight, but as a soldier, the constant biotic hits were more a nuisance than threat

The first time I fought Benezia I was an infiltrator. A very bad infiltrator. In fact, up to that point I was quite bad at the game in general. Not only was just not any good at using my powers (as in I never used them) I also spent my points poorly. I poured a lot of points early on in to both intimidate and charm. Then I did Noveria first.

Benezia wound up teaching me the game. I had such a bad build at that point that to defeat her I really needed to master what few tools I had and retry the fight over and over until I developed the right stragey. After that the game was always a cake walk.

Sure I died a few more times at the harder parts (rocket drones and snipers), but nothing ever got me stuck for a full hour and a half (or maybe it was longer) the way Benezia did.

I was also an infiltrator in my first time and hated having to spend points on Talk-jutsu. The sniper rifle was almost completely worthless in ME1 and needed all those points in order for Shep to be able to shoot straight with it. Even with a good sniper rifle and points maxed out for it I only ended up using it a handful of times on Mako missions to take out snipers in towers.

Good thing the pistols in ME1 turned out be overpowered light machine guns when maxed out and with pullonium rounds. That and the tech skills made the class salvagable.

[Golden Owl]

Anywhere I get swarmed...husks, varren....gnrgnr....Having to deal with them on Insanity, after that I almost found the boss fights a refreshing break....given, once I knew how to deal with the bosses.

[lolwut666]

Not a boss per say, but Eden Prime on Insanity is annoying as hell. All your powers suck and they take 2 min to refresh; Ash and Kaidan are useless by then, and med-kits are super rare. Not to metion the epic fail that is ME1's auto-save.

There was this one time, during that part where you have to deactivate the bombs, where BOTH Ash and Kaidan died, and I had NO med-kits left, one-third of health and there were bunch of geth still alive. I only managed to get through that by casting barrier, running up to an enemy and killing him, getting behind cover, waiting for barrier to recharge, rinse and repeat. What a pain.

Other than that, fighting biotics or husks when you're low-level can also be tough.

Can't say I had much trouble with bosses in either game.

Modifié par lolwut666, 21 mai 2011 - 12:45 .

[Seboist]

I just redid the Armature ambush on Therum and holy **** is it hard. I died like 10 ten times from getting insta-killed by the ninja Geth and once by the Armature. Most of those deaths occurred within the first three seconds of the fight.

[Darkhour]

lolwut666 wrote...

Not a boss per say, but Eden Prime on Insanity is annoying as hell. All your powers suck and they take 2 min to refresh; Ash and Kaidan are useless by then, and med-kits are super rare. Not to metion the epic fail that is ME1's auto-save.

There was this one time, during that part where you have to deactivate the bombs, where BOTH Ash and Kaidan died, and I had NO med-kits left, one-third of health and there were bunch of geth still alive. I only managed to get through that by casting barrier, running up to an enemy and killing him, getting behind cover, waiting for barrier to recharge, rinse and repeat. What a pain.

Other than that, fighting biotics or husks when you're low-level can also be tough.

Can't say I had much trouble with bosses in either game.

Doing the hijacked  frieghter with the biotics holding chairman burns is annoying at low levels.  They all spam that stupid lay down attack (with no cool down) and they all charge in without any though for their own life.  What makes this most annoying is that the computer can run around with lightning speed like crazy at point blank range shooting you he whole time with pin point accurancy while you can't even keep up with them. It looks like some dragon ball z characters teleporting in and out of view.  Even with tech people it's pointless. They keep tossing biotics regardless of dampening.

Any veteran+ fight with a sniper is tought (with a brand new character). They can't miss. They can spam assassinate without a cool down. They will 1-shot you. They can shot you even with their backs to you. They can shoot you so fast that you'll be dead before you can even peek out of cover. It's nearly impossible to defeat them. 

[Sailears]

Got to be when you go to therum first, at low level on a high difficulty.

The armature fight on foot, and the battlemaster; both can be extremely frustrating.