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[Aeryus]

Dynamomark wrote...

The ring is (almost) worthless, but the pre-order bonus wasn't just the memory band. That was my point because Aeryus was mad at them for fooling him.

I was unaware the tome was only for pre-order people since it wasn't listed anywhere and was not part of the DLC description (as far as I know, only the band was mentioned). 

I was mad because Bioware/Gamestop acted as if this 1% bonus was actually worth something and used it in their marketing to help convince people to pre-order the game.  10% woulda been nice.. 1%?  Come on. 

LethalBlade wrote...

Aeryus wrote...

At level 13, it takes 7500 xp to get to level 14..

It gives a 1% bouns to XP, so no, it's not completely useless. And, at level 13, you should be wearing much better rings than the memory ring.

LoL yes I'm aware it's 1%.. Which is next to nothing, however.  Thanks for being the second person to take the term in its literal sense.

Yes, I do have much better rings, but that wasn't the point of the topic.  The point was I continued to use the memory band because I thought it was actually somewhat useful, and I don't really need to rely on any other ring to change the game that much.  I was using the example of level 13 - 14 because that's what I was currently on and it was easy to compare xp bonus from the ring (Which doesn't kick in unless you have gains of 100xp+ at a time, which few monsters actually give) to the xp needed for the level.

[Celevra]

Since it rounds up to the nearest whole number. 1% could possibly give you 16xp for a kill instead of 15. Unless im mistaken

[phordicus]

in a game with scaled encounters, wtf is the point of leveling faster anyway?

[gizzt]

My memory band doesnt even have +1% xp on it. STEAM version.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

 1% of 129395 (XP of my lvl 20 rogue)  is 1293 XP.

Significant? probably not.  But if you have it on the entire game the amount of benefit is exponentially higher than if you didn't.   I do agree though that it is kind of a silly item.

tbh I'm considering modding it to be like 5% XP so it provides actual tangible gains.

Modifié par ITSSEXYTIME, 13 novembre 2009 - 06:45 .

[dannythefool]

I don't get it, why do you even want to gain XP faster? All that will do is make the other party members you can pick up even more gimped because of the stupid auto leveling scheme they're using.

[Rishavs]

phordicus wrote...

in a game with scaled encounters, wtf is the point of leveling faster anyway?

skills and talents. not to say stats which enable better gear.

[Knut Are Mykland2]

the game has some respawning monsters and level scaleing. 1% is worthless.

Ps is it just me or are mages much better at combat in this game?

I mean playing as a mage on hard is fairly easy, but with a rogue it is alot harder.(still easy though once you get morrigan, shale and dog)

PS i put 2/3 of my attribute points in magic to make the battles short.

[FFLB]

The belt that gives you 50% more codex experience is better.

[Mordaedil]

People who actually fell for the Memory Ring as more than a gimmick were already fooling themselves. Even since it was announced, I rolled my eyes at this price. I downloaded it, but I decided to not use it in my games.



If you think it's completely useless though, you are being silly; It sells for a few silvers and coppers. That should make it worth it.

[blaalindorm]

Celevra wrote...

Since it rounds up to the nearest whole number. 1% could possibly give you 16xp for a kill instead of 15. Unless im mistaken

XP is stored as a float, and the calc is done with floats, so not sure there should be any rounding effects to be seen. 

[Aeryus]

blaalindorm wrote...

Celevra wrote...

Since it rounds up to the nearest whole number. 1% could possibly give you 16xp for a kill instead of 15. Unless im mistaken

XP is stored as a float, and the calc is done with floats, so not sure there should be any rounding effects to be seen. 

The bonus is rounded down.  For example, if you gain 50 xp from something, 1% is .5.  You don't get +1 xp, you only get 50 xp (I've tested this quite a bit).  The only time I've noticed any bonus is when the xp amount was 100+, in which case I'd only get 1 bonus xp per 100 xp gained. 

Mordaedil wrote...

People who actually fell for the Memory Ring as more than a gimmick were already fooling themselves. Even since it was announced, I rolled my eyes at this price. I downloaded it, but I decided to not use it in my games.

If you think it's completely useless though, you are being silly; It sells for a few silvers and coppers. That should make it worth it.

Another person taking the term in its literal sense.. you people are silly.

But no, it doesn't sell for a few silvers and coppers (at least not on the PC version).  For me, it has no value to sell it.

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

 1% of 129395 (XP of my lvl 20 rogue)  is 1293 XP.

Significant? probably not.  But if you have it on the entire game the amount of benefit is exponentially higher than if you didn't.   I do agree though that it is kind of a silly item.

tbh I'm considering modding it to be like 5% XP so it provides actual tangible gains.

Well that wouldn't be THAT bad if it worked like you mentioned above, but it doesn't.  You only get the bonus for increments of 100 xp or more.  If you kill a creature worth 82 xp, you don't get .82 rounded up to 1, making it 83 xp.  You still only get 82 xp.

[Aeryus]

blaalindorm wrote...

Celevra wrote...



Since it rounds up to the nearest whole number. 1% could possibly give you 16xp for a kill instead of 15. Unless im mistaken

XP is stored as a float, and the calc is done with floats, so not sure there should be any rounding effects to be seen.

The bonus is rounded down. For example, if you gain 50 xp from something, 1% is .5. You don't get +1 xp, you only get 50 xp (I've tested this quite a bit). The only time I've noticed any bonus is when the xp amount was 100+, in which case I'd only get 1 bonus xp per 100 xp gained.

Mordaedil wrote...



People who actually fell for the Memory Ring as more than a gimmick were already fooling themselves. Even since it was announced, I rolled my eyes at this price. I downloaded it, but I decided to not use it in my games.



If you think it's completely useless though, you are being silly; It sells for a few silvers and coppers. That should make it worth it.

Another person taking the term in its literal sense.. you people are silly.



But no, it doesn't sell for a few silvers and coppers (at least not on the PC version). For me, it has no value to sell it.

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...



1% of 129395 (XP of my lvl 20 rogue) is 1293 XP.



Significant? probably not. But if you have it on the entire game the amount of benefit is exponentially higher than if you didn't. I do agree though that it is kind of a silly item.



tbh I'm considering modding it to be like 5% XP so it provides actual tangible gains.

Well that wouldn't be THAT bad if it worked like you mentioned above, but it doesn't. You only get the bonus for increments of 100 xp or more. If you kill a creature worth 82 xp, you don't get .82 rounded up to 1, making it 83 xp. You still only get 82 xp.

[NovaStalker]

Does the memory ring apply to the entire party, to just the leader or just the person it's equipped on? Sticking it on someone who doesn't have any rings would be cool if it affects the entire party's exp gains. Especially since I never seem to have any rings, only a billion amulets.

[wanderon]

Unless someone can delve into the mechanics and figure out exactly how the game does calculate exp in general and how the bonus exp from the ring is applied I'm not sure we have enough relevant data to assume the ring is completely useless.



For instance does anyone know for a fact that experience is rounded either up or down to the nearest whole number? Isn't it possible that the game keeps track of increments of less than one and only DISPLAYS the whole number?



As for taking comments like "completely useless" at their face value and responding as if they thought thats exactly what the poster meant instead of assuming they meant something like: not too good, or not the most exceptional item in the game - perhaps they do so because they find the typical internet overstatement where everything has to be either roxxors or suxxors with no value to anything in between as annoying as I do...

[Sylvius the Mad]

This is hardly news, though.

We knew it was only a 1% bonus, and we knew that the XP gain was linear (rather than exponential), so it was never going to be a ring that was worth wearing.

[SheffSteel]

wanderon wrote...

For instance does anyone know for a fact that experience is rounded either up or down to the nearest whole number? Isn't it possible that the game keeps track of increments of less than one and only DISPLAYS the whole number?

Anyone can test this. Simply take a rogue around a safe level and open up a few chests, maybe kill some easy individual monsters. After every XP award, write down the previous XP (P), the amount awarded (A) and the new level (N).

If you always see
N = P + A
then XP is processed as an integer.

Conversely, if you ever see
N = P + A + 1
or
N = P + A - 1
then you know that XP isn't processed as an integer but a floating-point value (something that can include a fraction).

Modifié par SheffSteel, 13 novembre 2009 - 06:27 .

[Seeker341]

Still makes one wonder why they didn't make it even slightly useful. I mean, compare it to the Lucky Stone (for those unaware, that gives +1 to all attributes).

[Oliver Sudden]

I gotta agree with those who wonder about wanting to level quicker. Doesn't make any sense to me in a single person game.

[Wolf Northwind]

Ring = Pointless.

Skill point = priceless?

[tr0tsky]

gizzt wrote...

My memory band doesnt even have +1% xp on it. STEAM version.

You have to examine it to see the bonus listed.  It doesn't say on the mouseover.

[NetBeansAndJava]

Yep, the ring is neigh useless. I'm replacing mine as soon as I can find something better.



The skill book that came w/ the ring, on the other hand... well... that's just flat out awesome.

[JamesX]

I looked up the ring in the save game with the ToolSet



It had absolutely no abilities listed as far as I can tell. So it literally is a junk ring.

[MOTpoetryION]

hopefuly you all got 100% exp in not wanting to pay 75$ for a video game : )

[Haexpane]

It beats IRON RING but that's about it